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    What are misc thoughts on Timothy McVeigh?

    Any blackpills about him? Watching the new documentary on HBO about him and its fascinating. He was a live witness to Waco, killed some Iraqis as.a Bradley gunner in the gulf War, bronze star, drove around the country for years meeting up with fringe militia groups.

    Also the Michael fortier story is interesting. Guy seemed to be a total chad...serves some time in prison for helping him pick the building to blow up and then ENTERS WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM. Interesting srs

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    Total weirdo that killed almost 170 people including some children. They should ai him back to life and execute him again.
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    Originally Posted by Redfish225 View Post
    Total weirdo that killed almost 170 people including some children. They should ai him back to life and execute him again.
    Pretty much this.
    “I’m mad at the government so let me kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children”
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    Originally Posted by goody1 View Post
    Pretty much this.
    “I’m mad at the government so let me kill a bunch of innocent men, women and children”
    Is that not what the government did at Waco?
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    Originally Posted by kengriffeyjr24 View Post
    Is that not what the government did at Waco?
    Two wrongs make a right?
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    Originally Posted by Redfish225 View Post
    Total weirdo that killed almost 170 people including some children. They should ai him back to life and execute him again.
    I saw that film.



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    Originally Posted by kengriffeyjr24 View Post
    Is that not what the government did at Waco?
    They were never going to get them out of there. Many of those that survived still worship Koresh today, they weren't coming out & Koresh wasn't going to let those come out that wanted to-he went back on his deal to release more women & children in exchange for his rants being aired.

    FBI & ATF were totally incompetent-they had the chance to get him when he was out of the compound in 1992 & didn't. The plant they put in there was twigged right away-as he bragged about guns & they knew far more than he did about them. One of them asked the postman where it was & the postman who was a member, as was his daughter told them right away the Feds were coming for them etc.

    Koresh was set on a final battle. Same nonsensical crap with Jim Jones & Marshall Applewhite's suicide cult that believed the end was nigh & hitched a ride on a UFO that was supposedly tailing Comet Hale Bopp by topping themselves.
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    Originally Posted by Redfish225 View Post
    Total weirdo that killed almost 170 people including some children. They should ai him back to life and execute him again.
    You actually think that he planted a single truck bomb that caused this:



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    Originally Posted by TomPaine View Post
    You actually think that he planted a single truck bomb that caused this:



    lol @ believing a single thing the government has ever said.
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    Originally Posted by TomPaine View Post
    You actually think that he planted a single truck bomb that caused this:



    Don't have time to look it up at the moment but off the top of my head, wasn't the bombing of the marine barracks in Beirut a single truck bomb that caused similar levels of destruction? I could be misremembering here but I feel like the pictures of the buildings were similar?
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    Originally Posted by TomPaine View Post
    You actually think that he planted a single truck bomb that caused this:



    It's very likely he was part of a larger scheme. Several witnesses reported other men going into the location to meet with Nichols and McVeigh when they were planning the operation
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    They were never going to get them out of there. Many of those that survived still worship Koresh today, they weren't coming out & Koresh wasn't going to let those come out that wanted to-he went back on his deal to release more women & children in exchange for his rants being aired.

    FBI & ATF were totally incompetent-they had the chance to get him when he was out of the compound in 1992 & didn't. The plant they put in there was twigged right away-as he bragged about guns & they knew far more than he did about them. One of them asked the postman where it was & the postman who was a member, as was his daughter told them right away the Feds were coming for them etc.

    Koresh was set on a final battle. Same nonsensical crap with Jim Jones & Marshall Applewhite's suicide cult that believed the end was nigh & hitched a ride on a UFO that was supposedly tailing Comet Hale Bopp by topping themselves.
    He would go jogging outside the compound but the atf wanted a show so they waited until he went onside to grab him.
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    I have respect for him because he 100% believed in his cause.

    Its just a shame that home grown terrorists always end up attacking grunts in govt and never people at the top. Part of that makes me think that these attacks have to be false flags because if you hate the govt why go attack some grunts in an office when you could go after the law makers who make the fuked up rules.
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    A single truck bomb absolutely caused that damage. Also, he planned to blow up the building across the street but there were no parking spots for him to leave the truck there. I had to research this for my class in hazardous materials.
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    Originally Posted by kengriffeyjr24 View Post
    He would go jogging outside the compound but the atf wanted a show so they waited until he went onside to grab him.
    FBI & ATF had no idea just how many powerful weapons they had stockpiled-they ended up having to negotiate a ceasefire at the breach attempt, so they could get their dead & wounded out-because they were totally outgunned. It was pretty much pea shooters against high calibre rifles. The intelligence & planning was woeful-they even ignored the plant they had put in there.
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    Originally Posted by Narrator02 View Post
    A single truck bomb absolutely caused that damage. Also, he planned to blow up the building across the street but there were no parking spots for him to leave the truck there. I had to research this for my class in hazardous materials.
    I am not sure what some people think a 4,800 pound bomb consisting of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil does. Yeah, a bomb will tear a building to pieces-look at what the lone IRA bombs did. Same thing with 9/11-yeah, two planes being flown into a building at high speed will topple it-there is no such thing as a plane or bomb proof building, whatever any architect says.
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    I have respect for him because he 100% believed in his cause.

    Its just a shame that home grown terrorists always end up attacking grunts in govt and never people at the top. Part of that makes me think that these attacks have to be false flags because if you hate the govt why go attack some grunts in an office when you could go after the law makers who make the fuked up rules.
    It isn't even like it was just some isolated government building either-they had members of the public going in & a kids day care centre there. There is no way anybody with any level of decency could justify it being a legitimate target where you are just going to kill people working for the government.
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    I used to take the news story at face value. I read a whole biography book about him, supposedly the author was the only one that got access to him for jailhouse interviews. Said he barely had any sex and no girlfriends. Said the cops after they arrested him squeezed his balls hard. His parents also offered to give the cops a key to their house if they needed anything at any time and were cooperative and the FBI came and kicked in their door anyways for a surprise raid, they were just some old boomers who didnt do anything wrong. Also the only reason he was executed so soon was because he stopped filing appeals, he had more appeals left he could have filed.


    I havent really revised the story at all or thought about it in the last 20 years but now seeing all the times the government and news lies to us, I dont take anything at face value anymore. When talking conspiracies you just have to look at who benefits and who has motives. You realize just after Waco a lot of people hated the US government. There was no longer a cold war, the iraq war was over, there was no real reason for people to like the US government. The right wing wasnt going to like Clinton and the democrats were upset with waco just as much. You figure that a fake attack portraying the government as victims could be used to manipulate the people. I dont think it worked very much so they went bigger with 9/11 to really step it up.

    So I would say sure the government certainly had motives to do it.
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    Originally Posted by jimbob007 View Post
    I am not sure what some people think a 4,800 pound bomb consisting of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil does. Yeah, a bomb will tear a building to pieces-look at what the lone IRA bombs did. Same thing with 9/11-yeah, two planes being flown into a building at high speed will topple it-there is no such thing as a plane or bomb proof building, whatever any architect says.


    9/11 had a building that fell with no planes so yeah a truck bomb can definitely damage a building if building 7 can fall out of thin air.
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    Lol at the gullibles in this thread who read government propaganda and go "yup, seems legit, I've done my research, case closed" and "government says the building which was built to survive an airliner attack can be taken down by an airliner, so it must be true".


    Some people are unable to see the whole picture, and are literally NPCs.



    Tower 7 didn't get hit by these magic airplanes.

    Timmy probably didn't bomb that building, and what was IN that building that got destroyed, is of no relevance... (okla, pentagon, etc we're talking). Gotta believe whatever the government tells us, they would NEVER lie!!!!!
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    I read this book years ago, and it convinced me that the Oklahoma City bombing was an entrapment scheme gone wrong:





    The tl;dr is that federal agents or informants gave McVeigh money and assistance buying fertilizer and constructing a bomb, and they planned to arrest him right before he set it off. Waco and Ruby Ridge had made federal law enforcement look terrible, and they wanted a very public, successful sting that would shore up their reputation and make Waco/Ruby Ridge look justified in retrospect. But they bungled it, and he actually set off the bomb. There's no smoking gun proving that government agents assisted him, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming: the book is incredibly detailed. Many of the victims' families were convinced that federal agencies were involved and that the subsequent investigation was a whitewash.

    The government was fortunate that in McVeigh, they had the perfect patsy: he thought the bombing was a righteous act and wanted to take full credit for it. He didn't understand how terrible it looked to the public and was too dumb to realize that he had been entrapped and that he would make the government look worse by divulging evidence of his co-conspirators. McVeigh also distrusted his lawyers for various reasons, so when they suggested he conspiracy defense, he thought they had ulterior motives and refused to consider it.

    There's much more detail in the book that I don't remember right now, but it's an incredible story.
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    Originally Posted by elterrible987 View Post
    I used to take the news story at face value. I read a whole biography book about him, supposedly the author was the only one that got access to him for jailhouse interviews. Said he barely had any sex and no girlfriends. Said the cops after they arrested him squeezed his balls hard. His parents also offered to give the cops a key to their house if they needed anything at any time and were cooperative and the FBI came and kicked in their door anyways for a surprise raid, they were just some old boomers who didnt do anything wrong. Also the only reason he was executed so soon was because he stopped filing appeals, he had more appeals left he could have filed.


    I havent really revised the story at all or thought about it in the last 20 years but now seeing all the times the government and news lies to us, I dont take anything at face value anymore. When talking conspiracies you just have to look at who benefits and who has motives. You realize just after Waco a lot of people hated the US government. There was no longer a cold war, the iraq war was over, there was no real reason for people to like the US government. The right wing wasnt going to like Clinton and the democrats were upset with waco just as much. You figure that a fake attack portraying the government as victims could be used to manipulate the people. I dont think it worked very much so they went bigger with 9/11 to really step it up.

    So I would say sure the government certainly had motives to do it.
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    Watch a noble Lie documentary, srs

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    Also, no way in hell a fertilizer bomb did that damage. There were bombs planted inside, like WTC7.
    It also wasn’t just a coincidence that no ATF agents were working that day, like the people that didn’t go to work on 9/11
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    Originally Posted by NEETvestor View Post
    I read this book years ago, and it convinced me that the Oklahoma City bombing was an entrapment scheme gone wrong:





    The tl;dr is that federal agents or informants gave McVeigh money and assistance buying fertilizer and constructing a bomb, and they planned to arrest him right before he set it off. Waco and Ruby Ridge had made federal law enforcement look terrible, and they wanted a very public, successful sting that would shore up their reputation and make Waco/Ruby Ridge look justified in retrospect. But they bungled it, and he actually set off the bomb. There's no smoking gun proving that government agents assisted him, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming: the book is incredibly detailed. Many of the victims' families were convinced that federal agencies were involved and that the subsequent investigation was a whitewash.

    The government was fortunate that in McVeigh, they had the perfect patsy: he thought the bombing was a righteous act and wanted to take full credit for it. He didn't understand how terrible it looked to the public and was too dumb to realize that he had been entrapped and that he would make the government look worse by divulging evidence of his co-conspirators. McVeigh also distrusted his lawyers for various reasons, so when they suggested he conspiracy defense, he thought they had ulterior motives and refused to consider it.

    There's much more detail in the book that I don't remember right now, but it's an incredible story.
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    Originally Posted by elterrible987 View Post
    I used to take the news story at face value. I read a whole biography book about him, supposedly the author was the only one that got access to him for jailhouse interviews. Said he barely had any sex and no girlfriends. Said the cops after they arrested him squeezed his balls hard. His parents also offered to give the cops a key to their house if they needed anything at any time and were cooperative and the FBI came and kicked in their door anyways for a surprise raid, they were just some old boomers who didnt do anything wrong. Also the only reason he was executed so soon was because he stopped filing appeals, he had more appeals left he could have filed.
    Lol what a clown-did he honestly think they weren't going to kick in the doors of his relatives & turn their homes upside down looking for evidence? They aren't going to let people destroy/hide evidence, or arrange a time to go round for afternoon tea & biscuits. Didn't even think/care about his family & what it would do to their lives.
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