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    Originally Posted by N0rds View Post
    Lol at the gullibles in this thread who read government propaganda and go "yup, seems legit, I've done my research, case closed" and "government says the building which was built to survive an airliner attack can be taken down by an airliner, so it must be true".


    Some people are unable to see the whole picture, and are literally NPCs.



    Tower 7 didn't get hit by these magic airplanes.

    Timmy probably didn't bomb that building, and what was IN that building that got destroyed, is of no relevance... (okla, pentagon, etc we're talking). Gotta believe whatever the government tells us, they would NEVER lie!!!!!
    Think about it, how can you claim a building will survive a plane attack, or in this case multiple plane attacks? Nice theory, but unless you build an identical building in some remote desert & fly remote controlled planes full of jet fuel into it at high speed then your claim is bs. Same thing with the 'practically unsinkable' Titanic. I know reality is hard to accept & that one person can cause carnage on a mammoth level & everything has to be some big global conspiracy-but I am afraid warped humans, incompetence, complacency & stupidity is nearly always the reason.
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    Entrapment scheme gone wrong makes sense because Timmy was arrested right after the bombing for a traffic violation but the feds claimed they didn't know he was involved until later. Pretty convenient he was pulled over and taken into custody for something different MOMENTS AFTER THE BUILDING BLEW UP

    Fed were probably chitting their pants with panic and needed some time to cover up the entrapment scheme. Can imagine how peppered their anguses were after the building was actually blown up
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    Originally Posted by jimbob007 View Post
    Think about it, how can you claim a building will survive a plane attack, or in this case multiple plane attacks? Nice theory, but unless you build an identical building in some remote desert & fly remote controlled planes full of jet fuel into it at high speed then your claim is bs. Same thing with the 'practically unsinkable' Titanic. I know reality is hard to accept & that one person can cause carnage on a mammoth level & everything has to be some big global conspiracy-but I am afraid warped humans, incompetence, complacency & stupidity is nearly always the reason.

    The towers were designed to survive a big airplane strike.

    Each tower only got hit once, not "multiple" like you claim.

    The empire state building was NOT designed to survive an airplane strike, but it survived a military bomber striking it no problem.

    Tower 7 wasn't even hit by anything, but still fell like a controlled demolition, and even controlled demolition experts say WTC7 literally looks like every single controlled demo they have done.

    The government has lied nonstop for decades and decades and decades.

    This is undeniable.

    You are falling for blatant propaganda and lies.
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    Wasn't he also a part of MK-Ultra (the LSD scheme)? He was probably a brainwashed fed or CIA op that went wrong. Could have turned too.
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    when my sister was elementary school and he was in junior high he punched her in the mouth walking off the bus for no reason.
    later had to write an apology letter.

    that is all i know about him.
    didn't know about it until my mom mentioned it after Oklahoma.

    yeah he went to my school.
    i never knew him since he was older.

    I hung out with his sister a few times after graduation before it happened.
    she didn't deserve the hate towards her because of him.
    the family didn't either.
    after it happened nobody wanted anything to do with her. she came up to talk to me once then walked away. most likely because she knew it would cause trouble for me. srs.
    she ended moving out of state and changing her name i think and i don't know about the parents.

    i'd drive by the house on the way to college and a dozen reporters were camped out on their front lawn.
    that poor family.

    i'm not even sure he had any contact with them prior to bombing that building.
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    He was alpha as ****.

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    Originally Posted by LateShow View Post
    Watch a noble Lie documentary, srs

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    Also, no way in hell a fertilizer bomb did that damage. There were bombs planted inside, like WTC7.
    It also wasn’t just a coincidence that no ATF agents were working that day
    Except five ATF agents were injured in the bombing. Lol at Rumble as being any kind of credible source.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Wasn't he also a part of MK-Ultra (the LSD scheme)? He was probably a brainwashed fed or CIA op that went wrong. Could have turned too.
    Not unless he had a time machine-he was born several years after that ended.
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    Originally Posted by _zman View Post
    Wasn't he also a part of MK-Ultra (the LSD scheme)? He was probably a brainwashed fed or CIA op that went wrong. Could have turned too.
    He said they implanted something in his ass ded srs
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    Originally Posted by Narrator02 View Post
    A single truck bomb absolutely caused that damage. Also, he planned to blow up the building across the street but there were no parking spots for him to leave the truck there. I had to research this for my class in hazardous materials.
    The building just across the street was a daycare for toddlers
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    Originally Posted by NitrogenWidget View Post
    when my sister was elementary school and he was in junior high he punched her in the mouth walking off the bus for no reason.
    later had to write an apology letter.

    that is all i know about him.
    didn't know about it until my mom mentioned it after Oklahoma.

    yeah he went to my school.
    i never knew him since he was older.

    I hung out with his sister a few times after graduation before it happened.
    she didn't deserve the hate towards her because of him.
    the family didn't either.
    after it happened nobody wanted anything to do with her. she came up to talk to me once then walked away. most likely because she knew it would cause trouble for me. srs.
    she ended moving out of state and changing her name i think and i don't know about the parents.

    i'd drive by the house on the way to college and a dozen reporters were camped out on their front lawn.
    that poor family.

    i'm not even sure he had any contact with them prior to bombing that building.
    That's wild thanks for sharing
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    Originally Posted by N0rds View Post
    The towers were designed to survive a big airplane strike.

    Each tower only got hit once, not "multiple" like you claim.

    The empire state building was NOT designed to survive an airplane strike, but it survived a military bomber striking it no problem.

    Tower 7 wasn't even hit by anything, but still fell like a controlled demolition, and even controlled demolition experts say WTC7 literally looks like every single controlled demo they have done.

    The government has lied nonstop for decades and decades and decades.

    This is undeniable.

    You are falling for blatant propaganda and lies.
    It is deniable-Tower 7 fell because of fires caused by debris from the North Tower-compounded by fire sprinklers failing due water city lines being damaged by the Twin Towers collapsing.
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    Originally Posted by BalognaNbeans View Post
    He said they implanted something in his ass ded srs
    Wut? Srs?
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    Originally Posted by LateShow View Post
    Watch a noble Lie documentary, srs

    Edit:
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    now viewing.
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    Originally Posted by kengriffeyjr24 View Post
    Wut? Srs?

    Srs

    Before his execution, former American soldier and convicted Oklahoma City Federal Building bomber Timothy McVeigh (1968–2002) frequently stated his contention that federal agents were able to track him during the 1990s because of an electronic monitoring device that had been placed in his leg. McVeigh and others believed that the U.S. Army secretly implanted such devices in the legs of American soldiers during the Gulf War.
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    Originally Posted by IAMBEE View Post
    I have respect for him because he 100% believed in his cause.

    Its just a shame that home grown terrorists always end up attacking grunts in govt and never people at the top. Part of that makes me think that these attacks have to be false flags because if you hate the govt why go attack some grunts in an office when you could go after the law makers who make the fuked up rules.
    he attacked the same kind of "grunts" that burned all those people in waco. lets not excuse the smiling photos next to the smoldering piles of corpses.
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    Originally Posted by Narrator02 View Post
    A single truck bomb absolutely caused that damage. Also, he planned to blow up the building across the street but there were no parking spots for him to leave the truck there.
    Logistics disrupt everyone's plans.
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    Originally Posted by TKDbrah View Post
    he attacked the same kind of "grunts" that burned all those people in waco. lets not excuse the smiling photos next to the smoldering piles of corpses.
    I'm not saying the grunts can't be POS too, and carry out the improper bidding of the state. Other than the shooting up of the Republican baseball team no one ever seems to really attack Washington D.C. or the people that run it. I'd think if you had a lot of beef with the world they would be on the short list of people to attack.
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    Originally Posted by Redfish225 View Post
    Total weirdo that killed almost 170 people including some children. They should ai him back to life and execute him again.
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    Originally Posted by jimbob007 View Post
    Not unless he had a time machine-he was born several years after that ended.
    I wouldn't assume it ended personally.

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    He said they implanted something in his ass ded srs
    I mean they could place a small thing in his a$$ to release lsd I guess lol
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    As an anti government, constitutional conservative..I 100% align with his views on the innocent people the government murdered during the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents (ie Posse Comitatus). However, dude had way too much stock in The Turner Diaries and so desperately wanted to be the lone wolf described in that book. Even though I agree with some of his views, I personally think he's a gutless pos coward for murdering those innocent people including children.
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    Originally Posted by kengriffeyjr24 View Post
    Is that not what the government did at Waco?

    edgelord, I get you, but he could have done it in a more concentrated way - seek out higher up federal gov people and target them specifically

    brb be american pajeet or Invictus

    get a job in IT for fed gov

    happy that you you get a decent but stable salary turning things off and on again

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    get blown up as collateral by a literal and metaphoric white Timothy who got disillusioned with the military complex he was conned into joining


    do you expect more from a loyal military pawn?

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    Originally Posted by Irezumi View Post
    As an anti government, constitutional conservative..I 100% align with his views on the innocent people the government murdered during the Ruby Ridge and Waco incidents (ie Posse Comitatus). However, dude had way too much stock in The Turner Diaries and so desperately wanted to be the lone wolf described in that book. Even though I agree with some of his views, I personally think he's a gutless pos coward for murdering those innocent people including children.
    The Weavers, their friend & Koresh & his loyal disciples were responsible for their own deaths/injuries, those of the flock & & those of the agents they murdered. Only people I feel sorry for are the kids who had no choice in that life-parents who drag their kids into cults & let them get raped & beaten by nonces like Koresh, or bring them up as paranoid freaks that are given guns & told to shoot at anything that comes near their property deserve what they get.

    All Weaver had to do was show up in court & none of that crap would have happened-which he admitted in 1995 & said he regretted getting his wife & son killed. Koresh had his demands met-yet he reneged on the deal & decided everybody left inside would die instead. Why do people like him & Koresh think they are above the laws everybody else has to abide by?
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    Originally Posted by TomPaine View Post
    You actually think that he planted a single truck bomb that caused this:
    You don't seem to understand how bombs work. Let me help you out. They are relatively small, but cause a big explosion which causes alot of damage. A nuke is smaller than a truck yet can level a whole city.
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    Originally Posted by Pumped View Post
    You don't seem to understand how bombs work. Let me help you out. They are relatively small, but cause a big explosion which causes alot of damage. A nuke is smaller than a truck yet can level a whole city.
    Well you seem to know a lot about bombs.


    A little too much.






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    Originally Posted by NEETvestor View Post
    I read this book years ago, and it convinced me that the Oklahoma City bombing was an entrapment scheme gone wrong:





    The tl;dr is that federal agents or informants gave McVeigh money and assistance buying fertilizer and constructing a bomb, and they planned to arrest him right before he set it off. Waco and Ruby Ridge had made federal law enforcement look terrible, and they wanted a very public, successful sting that would shore up their reputation and make Waco/Ruby Ridge look justified in retrospect. But they bungled it, and he actually set off the bomb. There's no smoking gun proving that government agents assisted him, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming: the book is incredibly detailed. Many of the victims' families were convinced that federal agencies were involved and that the subsequent investigation was a whitewash.

    The government was fortunate that in McVeigh, they had the perfect patsy: he thought the bombing was a righteous act and wanted to take full credit for it. He didn't understand how terrible it looked to the public and was too dumb to realize that he had been entrapped and that he would make the government look worse by divulging evidence of his co-conspirators. McVeigh also distrusted his lawyers for various reasons, so when they suggested he conspiracy defense, he thought they had ulterior motives and refused to consider it.


    There's much more detail in the book that I don't remember right now, but it's an incredible story.

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    Originally Posted by NEETvestor View Post
    I read this book years ago, and it convinced me that the Oklahoma City bombing was an entrapment scheme gone wrong:

    The tl;dr is that federal agents or informants gave McVeigh money and assistance buying fertilizer and constructing a bomb, and they planned to arrest him right before he set it off. Waco and Ruby Ridge had made federal law enforcement look terrible, and they wanted a very public, successful sting that would shore up their reputation and make Waco/Ruby Ridge look justified in retrospect. But they bungled it, and he actually set off the bomb. .
    How did they bungle it? You think they had no 24h sureillance of a guy who they knew had built a truck bomb? They did not notice him driving the truck bomb to the location? Just slipped their minds? Conspriacy theorists are so dumb lol.
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    Originally Posted by Pumped View Post
    How did they bungle it? You think they had no 24h sureillance of a guy who they knew had built a truck bomb? They did not notice him driving the truck bomb to the location? Just slipped their minds? Conspriacy theorists are so dumb lol.
    Stephen Jones, the book's author, was McVeigh's lawyer during the federal trial. The arguments he makes are all based on evidence from the trial and his conversations with McVeigh. He's not some random conspiracy theorist.

    To clarify my earlier post: the book doesn't explicity claim that it was a sting operation gone bad. That is my interpretation of the evidence it presents. What Jones argues is that there is voluminous evidence--the earliest eyewitness accounts, McVeigh's receipts and phone records leading up to the bombing, inconsistencies in McVeigh's statements, etc.--that several people helped him besides Terry Nichols. Jones also makes it clear that McVeigh was too dumb to build the bomb himself as claimed. And despite that, the government had no interest in investigating potential co-conspirators. People can draw their own conclusions; the one I draw is that the government didn't want to pursue that avenue of investigation because it would reveal something highly embarrassing to them. It would show that government informants assisted McVeigh, or at a minimum that they were in frequent communication with him before the bombing and missed many opportunities to stop him.


    If you think this is impossible because "the government is too sophisticated to make mistakes LOL" then you clearly have no experience with government and its incredible incompetence at every level, and your naivete is touching.

    The deadly Waco siege that outraged McVeigh wasn't intended as a siege; it was meant to be a raid to arrest David Koresh, but the ATF blew their cover when they got lost and asked a mailman for directions to the Waco compound (lol), and the mailman was Koresh's brother-in-law and tipped him off.

    Israel has the world's best security services and the most advanced technology, they had repeated advanced warnings of the Hamas attack last October, and they still got rekt by guys flying in on hang-gliders.

    There are countless examples of the CIA bungling major operations: the Bay of Pigs, Operation Valuable, etc. I could go on... you get the point.


    To anyone wants a sense of Jones's arguments, this WaPo article discusses a lot of the things he writes about in his book:
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    Originally Posted by NEETvestor View Post
    Israel has the world's best security services and the most advanced technology, they had repeated advanced warnings of the Hamas attack last October, and they still got rekt by guys flying in on hang-gliders.
    It was a rerun of Yom Kippur half a century prior & several times inbetween-arrogance & complacency saw them get caught with their trousers down. Conspiracy theories are nice, but the reality is nearly all of these things are due to incompetence & foreign policy. Israel would not be attacked if it hadn't spent nearly 80 years behaving like it has.

    The US would not have had the Beirut Bombing, the 1993 WTC & Langley AttackS, 9/11 etc if not for decades of appalling behaviour toward the middle east under kunts like Reagan & Bush. The UK had zero Islamic terror attacks prior to 2005, what changed? Tory Bliar invading at the behest of Bush Jr on fake evidence two years prior. Hard to keep count of how many we have had the last 19 years.
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