Can someone explain the Indian caste system?

[WiseOldApe]

Shiva/Shakti is one and the same, you can not conjure up Shiva/Shakti , they are not entities . even in Shivaism if you conjure something up that is a demon.

Shivia/Shakti is the creator/destroyer, it is always a duality as is the same in physics.

its ok if you believe everything not Jesus is Satan thats on you to be a sheeple.

I don't worship a blue god with 8 arms and is both male and female. its just a representation of philosophy and physics coming together to help understand this existence.

Yes we are in a simulation

Shiva is a hindu deity - shiva and shakti might also be generative principle(s), but he is definitely a hindu deity. One of the big three. Vishnu, Brahman, and Shiva.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shiva

Yes, but whose simulation are we in?

[NitrogenWidget]

PunJabbibbis>Currycels>Pajeets>Sewercels> Bangladeshi

what about bollywood actors and actresses?

[8eggs]

Shiva is a hindu deity - shiva and shakti might also be generative principle(s), but he is definitely a hindu deity. One of the big three. Vishnu, Brahman, and Shiva.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Shiva

Yes, but whose simulation are we in?

No you don't get it, In Shivaism there is only Shiva/Shakti the one god. the others don't exist in this form.

its sort of like a generative principle .but its also everything. its more like physics, Energy.Space,Time , Matter anti-matter

the Simulation Just exists , we are not in someone elses Simulation. we are in the cumulitive force energy self realizing itself into existance thanks to the creator.

[1320it]

This video explains it well:

[WiseOldApe]

No you don't get it, In Shivaism there is only Shiva/Shakti the one god. the others don't exist in this form.

its sort of like a generative principle .but its also everything. its more like physics, Energy.Space,Time , Matter anti-matter

the Simulation Just exists , we are not in someone elses Simulation. we are in the cumulitive force energy self realizing itself into existance thanks to the creator.

I get what you're saying - it's very similar to most eastern religions that believe in a 'primordial nothingness' that everything comes from, including in their view God and gods.

It still doesn't change that it's called idolatry in Christianity - since you believe that God is in the creation, which means that you could carve up a statue of wood or stone and worship it, like you worship God, since once again, you're essentially saying that 'God is in the creation'.

I'm not going to debate you on whose creation/simulation it is, since that's the same thing as arguing with an atheist - you either believe in God or you don't.

[8eggs]

I get what you're saying - it's very similar to most eastern religions that believe in a 'primordial nothingness' that everything comes from, including in their view God and gods.

It still doesn't change that it's called idolatry in Christianity - since you believe that God is in the creation, which means that you could carve up a statue of wood or stone and worship it, like you worship God, since once again, you're essentially saying that 'God is in the creation'.

I'm not going to debate you on whose creation/simulation it is, since that's the same thing as arguing with an atheist - you either believe in God or you don't.

the problem is whose name we give it. an atheist believes in nothing. Shivaism does not believe in something only tries to describe what is.

[QuickShotSteve]

Its quite simple, the more brown, the more you go down

[WiseOldApe]

the problem is whose name we give it. an atheist believes in nothing. Shivaism does not believe in something only tries to describe what is.

So why does every website on the internet say that shaivism is a religion for worshipping shiva? shiva being one of the most popular hindu deities.

Reminds me of shaivite sadhguru who claims that there is no god, but has a giant idol of shiva built in his main ashram - sigh.

[8eggs]

So why does every website on the internet say that shaivism is a religion for worshipping shiva? shiva being one of the most popular hindu deities.

yes in simple terms that is correct, but that does not explain how it is done or what that philosophy is all about.
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Shivaism is the oldest form of hinduism and the first religion, the oldest religion known to humans , in Shivaism Shiva is the only supreme being.

it pre dates all other hindu gods and all other forms of god invented by man.

the next forms sprouted fourth are Tantra and buddhism and they also exist in some forms together in early stories.

Tantra is very closely intertwined in the duality representation forms Shiva/Shakti duality

[Mulloway69]

LOL dude, hinduism is a satanic religion - I have first hand experience with this and know it for a fact.

You would'nt know a fact if smacked you in the face with the fury of 1000 Large Hadron Colliders.

[WiseOldApe]

yes in simple terms that is correct, but that does not explain how it is done or what that philosophy is all about.
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Shivaism is the oldest form of hinduism and the first religion, the oldest religion known to humans , in Shivaism Shiva is the only supreme being.

it pre dates all other hindu gods and all other forms of god invented by man.

the next forms sprouted fourth are Tantra and buddhism and they also exist in some forms together in early stories.

Tantra is very closely intertwined in the duality representation forms Shiva/Shakti duality

Do you have a source on when shivaism was founded?

So shiva IS a supreme being - like a god, and not just a generative process.

[8eggs]

Do you have a source on when shivaism was founded?

So shiva IS a supreme being - like a god, and not just a generative process.

Shiva is in the oldest know sanskrit writings it has no know founder, Rudra is the same as Shiva also. its just historical fact.

Yes Shivia is the Supreme being in Shivaism its not just the process, but its also the process, the creator of the process, the Duality part goes along with we are created in gods image, thats why you see Shiva/Shakti as both male and female with 8 arms. Man and Woman are created in the Supreme beings Image. that's the next evolution of religions in Tantra

[WiseOldApe]

yes in simple terms that is correct, but that does not explain how it is done or what that philosophy is all about.
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Shivaism is the oldest form of hinduism and the first religion, the oldest religion known to humans , in Shivaism Shiva is the only supreme being.

it pre dates all other hindu gods and all other forms of god invented by man.

the next forms sprouted fourth are Tantra and buddhism and they also exist in some forms together in early stories.

Tantra is very closely intertwined in the duality representation forms Shiva/Shakti duality

Also have you seen the statue of shiva at CERN, doing his dance? Why do you think that a super scientific community like that would care about a very specific pagan deity?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-at-cern-video

there's an article about a bunch of people performing a ritual to shiva, 'as a joke', lol.

Wonder if some hindu who actually worships shiva would think it was a 'joke'.

[8eggs]

Also have you seen the statue of shiva at CERN, doing his dance? Why do you think that a super scientific community like that would care about a very specific pagan deity?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...-at-cern-video

there's an article about a bunch of people performing a ritual to shiva, 'as a joke', lol.

Wonder if some hindu who actually worships shiva would think it was a 'joke'.

umm no they would not care , they do not look at religion like you and muslims other followers of the "books" do. though they would likely disapprove and shake their fist at the sky and say something very sarcastically and humorous may lord Shiva have mercy on our souls.

yeah they are right to put Shiva statue there, they are playing in his Domain. He is fundamental in energy and creation and or Anti-energy and destruction its all 2 sides of the same coin....Like they are discovering with Gravity, there is not only a force pulling but there also a mysterious unknown force pushing.

I don't think we should be playing with things that should be left to Shiva himself, very foolish. but maybe if they do a little dance and pray maybe we won't destroy the universe trying to play god.

same with AI , electricity is very dangerous we should not be giving it a lifeform. Just like the amish believe the devil is in electricity this is serious stuff. We should not be trying to become gods ourselves it will backfire very badly.

[WiseOldApe]

Shiva is in the oldest know sanskrit writings it has no know founder, Rudra is the same as Shiva also. its just historical fact.

Yes Shivia is the Supreme being in Shivaism its not just the process, but its also the process, the creator of the process, the Duality part goes along with we are created in gods image, thats why you see Shiva/Shakti as both male and female with 8 arms. Man and Woman are created in the Supreme beings Image. that's the next evolution of religions in Tantra

Yeah i dunno man, I unwittingly got involved with this stuff through yoga and i eventually had a guru press his thumb on my forehead to initiate me and I was told a lot of stuff about this and 'secret knowledge' was revealed to me, and at one point to progress further i had to renounce Jesus Christ, which I didn't do.

But in that time i basically learned that these religions are those of the fallen angels in the bible - so they are satanic to me as a Christian.

As long as you know what your religion is, that's fine - you have a right to practise which ever religion you want.

umm no they would not care , they do not look at religion like you and muslims other followers of the "books" do. though they would likely disapprove and shake their fist at the sky and say something very sarcastically and humorous may lord Shiva have mercy on our souls.

yeah they are right to put Shiva statue there, they are playing in his Domain. He is fundamental in energy and creation and or Anti-energy and destruction its all 2 sides of the same coin....Like they are discovering with Gravity, there is not only a force pulling but there also a mysterious unknown force pushing.

I don't think we should be playing with things that should be left to Shiva himself, very foolish. but maybe if they do a little dance and pray maybe we won't destroy the universe trying to play god.

same with AI , electricity is very dangerous we should not be giving it a lifeform. Just like the amish believe the devil is in electricity this is serious stuff. We should not be trying to become gods ourselves it will backfire very badly.

It's like those satanists who don't believe in an actual satan, yet perform rituals 'as a joke' - it still counts, since 'as above so below' in these religions.

[8eggs]

Yeah a Shiva follower or Hindu will not have you renounce Jesus. You got caught up in some weird cult.

Cults come in all kinds . Plenty of Jesus cults and Islam cults. I don't doubt Hindu yoga cults are popping up in the west to prey on trendy yoga stretching gym goers caught up in silliness.

There are some good things in Yogaic teachings about natural health and how to maintain the body as a temple. But Don't get caught up in a cult. That's not what yoga is about.

Yoga is actually very intertwined with Rasta and early Christian beliefs out of Ethiopia.

[WiseOldApe]

Yeah a Shiva follower or Hindu will not have you renounce Jesus. You got caught up in some weird cult.

Cults come in all kinds . Plenty of Jesus cults and Islam cults. I don't doubt Hindu yoga cults are popping up in the west to prey on trendy yoga stretching gym goers caught up in silliness.

There are some good things in Yogaic teachings about natural health and how to maintain the body as a temple. But Don't get caught up in a cult. That's not what yoga is about.

Yoga is actually very intertwined with Rasta and early Christian beliefs out of Ethiopia.

I don't think that I agree with you - it was revealed to me that the foundations of what's called hinduism (and thus by extension buddhism, shintoism, jainism, etc) was what christians refer to as satanism or the religion of the fallen angels.

In Christianity we believe that there is one God who made the physical and spiritual realms, including these 'angelic beings' in the heavens, some of which rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven and have ever since been rebelling and starting various cults and false religions.

In christianity we view the snake and serpent as a schyster who deceived humanity - but in the dharmic faiths the serpent is a symbol of wisdom and knowledge.

I don't think that yoga has anything to do with any legitimate branch of Christianity - perhaps some gnostic sect, but defs not the real, apostolic Christian churches.

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[Kawhilights]

8eggs you’ve unknowingly derailed this thread forever by engaging with the loon who claims he knows objective facts about religion and his personal obsession with the being he calls satan. Stop engaging.

Also caste is basically lighter skinned = better

This same system is in place in Latin America.

[skunkshark]

A christian will tell you what he thinks god is a Hindu will tell you he does not know what god is.

Except when that Hindu is telling you that Jesus Christ is not God, right?

[outfoxxed]

In a race caste system, pajeets would be bottom tier

[Xtermin8fascist]

I don't think that I agree with you - it was revealed to me that the foundations of what's called hinduism (and thus by extension buddhism, shintoism, jainism, etc) was what christians refer to as satanism or the religion of the fallen angels.

In Christianity we believe that there is one God who made the physical and spiritual realms, including these 'angelic beings' in the heavens, some of which rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven and have ever since been rebelling and starting various cults and false religions.

In christianity we view the snake and serpent as a schyster who deceived humanity - but in the dharmic faiths the serpent is a symbol of wisdom and knowledge.

I don't think that yoga has anything to do with any legitimate branch of Christianity - perhaps some gnostic sect, but defs not the real, apostolic Christian churches.

You don't understand Eastern religions. They are not dogmatic. People don't universally agree on scripture or take it all that seriously. They don't seek to convert people. There is no grand hierarchy. It is not organized in the same way Abrahamic religions are. A Hindu wouldn't even care if you said they were the devil. They'd just be offended if you tried to kill them, which you inevitably would because you're a psychopath. Hindu and Buddhist philosophy is entirely alien to European ways of thinking. It's possible to be atheist and Hindu/Buddhist, for example. You really don't get it, and you probably never will.

[theory816]

Basically if you own a toilet, you're a shot caller. Everyone else is pleb.

[WiseOldApe]

You don't understand Eastern religions. They are not dogmatic. People don't universally agree on scripture or take it all that seriously. They don't seek to convert people. There is no grand hierarchy. It is not organized in the same way Abrahamic religions are. A Hindu wouldn't even care if you said they were the devil. They'd just be offended if you tried to kill them, which you inevitably would because you're a psychopath. Hindu and Buddhist philosophy is entirely alien to European ways of thinking. It's possible to be atheist and Hindu/Buddhist, for example. You really don't get it, and you probably never will.

I dunno i've heard some stories of people seeing the homeless little kids and the enlightened buddhist saying something like, "oh yeah that's just his karma from a past life, he can suffer".

I understand it fully.- sin now, pay later.

These are the same exact religions/ways of life as europe pre-christianity - nothing new here.

[Xtermin8fascist]

I dunno i've heard some stories of people seeing the homeless little kids and the enlightened buddhist saying something like, "oh yeah that's just his karma from a past life, he can suffer".

I understand it fully.- sin now, pay later.

And I've heard some stories of "Christians" starting pointless wars and massacring hundreds of thousands of people in the name of their fake zombie. Again, you are not the arbiter of what is and isn't sin, and regardless of your bigotry or failed relationship, nobody is going to care because at the end of the day, Eastern religions don't really harm people the same way Abrahamic ones do. It's the same reason no one has a problem with REAL christians like Mr. Rogers. But people like you fuk it all up by turning it into a hate religion. You're more focused on attacking others than living like Christ and accepting everyone.

Jesus Christ (the story character) was essentially an OG communist who died trying to feed the poor. You people are the least Christian scum ever, and it's hilarious. Jesus was woke af. He was all about inclusion and tolerance.

[WiseOldApe]

And I've heard some stories of "Christians" starting pointless wars and massacring hundreds of thousands of people in the name of their fake zombie. Again, you are not the arbiter of what is and isn't sin, and regardless of your bigotry or failed relationship, nobody is going to care because at the end of the day, Eastern religions don't really harm people the same way Abrahamic ones do. It's the same reason no one has a problem with REAL christians like Mr. Rogers. But people like you fuk it all up by turning it into a hate religion. You're more focused on attacking others than living like Christ and accepting everyone.

the crusades were fought to protect the christian populations of the middle east from muslim subjugation.

i don't think you've read the bible nor do you understand what Christs message was - for example, Jesus Christ says you can't serve two masters, so how can you be a Christian and a buddhist at the same time, when the two are total opposites of each other. One religion claims that there is a God and the other claims that you are god and that insects should be worshipped.

[theory816]

Jesus Christ says you can't serve two masters,

Listen, I sub to the Catholic teachings. At the same time, Jesus aint even real.

But Its not like its two masters youre serving. You taking in the general teachings from the two religion.

[WiseOldApe]

Listen, I sub to the Catholic teachings. At the same time, Jesus aint even real.

So how do people cast out demons in the name of Jesus if he's not real? Nobody exercises demons in the name of Moses or Mohammed, only Jesus.

[Xtermin8fascist]

the crusades were fought to protect the christian populations of the middle east from muslim subjugation.

i don't think you've read the bible nor do you understand what Christs message was - for example, Jesus Christ says you can't serve two masters, so how can you be a Christian and a buddhist at the same time, when the two are total opposites of each other. One religion claims that there is a God and the other claims that you are god and that insects should be worshipped.

And yet there are literally Christian Buddhists who don't really care what you're saying. And I also don't really care what you say or think either. You're completely psycho. What I do care is that you don't randomly go try to kill people of other religions. I'm talking about you directly and personally.

In your crusade against sin, start with your own dumb self first, please. (Another teaching of Jesus...)

[WiseOldApe]

And yet there are literally Christian Buddhists who don't really care what you're saying. And I also don't really care what you say or think either. You're completely psycho. What I do care is that you don't randomly go try to kill people of other religions. I'm talking about you directly and personally.

In your crusade against sin, start with your own dumb self first, please. (Another teaching of Jesus...)

There's no such thing - buddhists don't believe in God, they believe they are god. It's a pantheistic religion of sorts.