Going MGTOW = COPE for FAILED at LIFE?

[Kewbrah]

Not sure if it’s cope but it’s definitely weird. I understand swearing off women after a rough patch but forming a whole movement because of it then actively recruiting others. What’s the end goal?

It's not swearing off women. It's just not selling out for them. If you are doing your own thing and women still want to **** you (which they want a whole lot more when you aren't simping and jestermaxxing for them) then that is all good.

[mryamamoto]

you'd probably be having some incels or losers who don't get any female attention latching onto that "movement".

it shouldn't be categorized by anything at all - don't give women, who don't deserve your attention, any. that is all. work on yourself and choose from the women, who choose you. no simping or or desperate chasing to preserve your self dignity.

if you don't get any female attention, so be it. do your thing (working out, finances in check etc), til you get some.

[sooby]

It is cope because it is co-opted by a lot of 18-30 year olds who swear off women completely but really they are just incels who can't get women and are anti-women.

You don't have to hate women but you can accept who most of them are and move/treat them accordingly.

Life is still better off with a good woman by your side, imagine deleting yourself from the gene pool lol. It's way more understandable if you are a 40+ male who has been there done that and just wants to enjoy life post-marriage, even though I still think you're better off with a good woman. You don't have to avoid woman like a disease, when a good one comes along, go for it. Make sure she chooses you for who you are and that you hold the leverage in the relationship. If you do that, treat her well, most likely it'll be all good.

[Horizon92]

MGTOW is simply men being sent their own way. The MGTOW community likes to appear as if they are giga chads choosing to just sleep around and never commit. The reality is, however, that it is average to below average men giving up because endless rejection is too brutal.

[phaginator]

Combination of cope and rationality. Marriage in the west is a joke these days, there is no more pressure to stay together, etc. Even "Chad" can get cucked these days.


Passport bros is a more positive movement for western men imo. Leverage your money, etc in a different country. Best strategy for most average men in the west imo.

[BigBallsMcgee]

MGTOW is simply men being sent their own way. The MGTOW community likes to appear as if they are giga chads choosing to just sleep around and never commit. The reality is, however, that it is average to below average men giving up because endless rejection is too brutal.

This.

There are some legitimate mgtows who are guys who got destroyed in divorce and things like that but the majority are incels coping

[phaginator]

This.

There are some legitimate mgtows who are guys who got destroyed in divorce and things like that but the majority are incels coping

You seen the latest statistics? Seems most young men are "incel" these days.

[CuttyUnderleaf]

It's not swearing off women. It's just not selling out for them. If you are doing your own thing and women still want to **** you (which they want a whole lot more when you aren't simping and jestermaxxing for them) then that is all good.

Okay, maybe I’m misunderstanding but what you are describing seems like no strings attached dating and the perpetual bachelor life.



While the ideology of MGTOW movement (c/p from Wikipedia)

At the center of MGTOW ideology is the notion of male separatism and the belief that society has been corrupted by feminism.[21] MGTOW groups are misogynist and anti-feminist, believing that feminism has made women dangerous to men, and that male self-preservation requires dissociating completely from women.[22] Like other manosphere groups, they believe there is systemic gynocentric bias against men in society,[23] including double standards in gender roles[21] and bias against men in family courts.[12] MGTOW endorse the belief shared by other manosphere groups that women follow a similar pattern in dating and marriage: young and attractive women are promiscuous and engage in "hypergamy", having sex with numerous men and abandoning a man if a "higher-value" man shows interest. They believe women gravitate towards "alpha men" who are attractive but mistreat them, reinforcing the ideology of feminism. According to MGTOW, as women begin to age, they settle down with "beta males" who provide for them financially, but to whom they deny sex, sometimes engaging in extramarital sex with more attractive men; these relationships ultimately lead to divorce, in which the women will be favored by the courts due to what MGTOW call female privilege.[24]

[BigBallsMcgee]

You seen the latest statistics? Seems most young men are "incel" these days.

yup, they are. Women arent attracted to most men and now that society has changed other qualities that used to matter dont matter as much. So, if women arent attracted to a guy they have no use for him.

A large amount of these men cope by going 'mgtow' but they were never wanted to begin with.

[lockdev]

If you're a male that truly cannot find a good wife, then you need to look at yourself.

If you're absolutely sure it's not you, and there is an outside influence that's affecting your women, then guess what?

You're at war with whatever is taking your women.

If you're truly MGTOW and not at war, then you're coping.

[alltrapbrah]

you'd probably be having some incels or losers who don't get any female attention latching onto that "movement".

it shouldn't be categorized by anything at all - don't give women, who don't deserve your attention, any. that is all. work on yourself and choose from the women, who choose you. no simping or or desperate chasing to preserve your self dignity.

if you don't get any female attention, so be it. do your thing (working out, finances in check etc), til you get some.

This is the healthiest outlook one can have. Well said.

[BigBallsMcgee]

If you're a male that truly cannot find a good wife, then you need to look at yourself.

If you're absolutely sure it's not you, and there is an outside influence that's affecting your women, then guess what?

I dont think I agree with this. because 'I'm not attractive enough for the standards of these women' is technically "the problem is you" but its also not solveable.

Standards have to be reasonable. Reality is women are no longer reasonable. 5s arent out there hunting for 5s. Women are uninterested in a majority of men or at least half of them. What the fuk are those men supposed to do.

[baldbrah]

Men not wanting to take full responsibility for an adult child just so they can get their dick wet once or twice a week doesn't sound like cope to me.

It sounds like the opposite of cope.

And mgtow doesn't even mean you swear off sex. You can pump n dump all you want. Again, it's swearing off cohabitation, or raising a fully grown woman like shes a child.

[BigBallsMcgee]

Men not wanting to take full responsibility for an adult child just so they can get their dick wet once or twice a week doesn't sound like cope to me.

It sounds like the opposite of cope.

And mgtow doesn't even mean you swear off sex. You can pump n dump all you want. Again, it's swearing off cohabitation, or raising a fully grown woman like shes a child.

There are true mgtow like what you're saying, but the MAJORITY are incels who cant get women even if they wanted. so it is most often a cope.

[swordplay76]

In my experience there are some nice girls out there

Not in my experience.

[eddiehaskell]

Men not wanting to take full responsibility for an adult child just so they can get their dick wet once or twice a week doesn't sound like cope to me.

It sounds like the opposite of cope.

And mgtow doesn't even mean you swear off sex. You can pump n dump all you want. Again, it's swearing off cohabitation, or raising a fully grown woman like shes a child.

this is what i saw them discussing...basically many of them sit back and and mock western women while just giving a title to their decision to never cohabitate/marry/simp. some dudes basically do the same while perhaps still being blue pilled...they have this hope that one day they'll "meet the right woman" but they have high standards. mgtows just go a step further and say unicorns don't really exist so "meeting the right one" is just isn't possible unless a dude isn't thinking straight/lets a woman trick him. many of them will still date, hookup, fwb, hire working girls.

[eddiehaskell]

There are true mgtow like what you're saying, but the MAJORITY are incels who cant get women even if they wanted. so it is most often a cope.

but if you look at non-mgtow men that know nothing about it you could say there are men of strong character out there that likely won't get taken advantage of, but most are just simps that will happily simp for female validation...they will essentially do everything they can to impress women while seeing most of them as innocent princesses worthy of any degree of simping...spending their life in a gym, chasing every dollar they can acquire, dressing whatever way they think women like, jestering, changing their personality, trying to be alpha, etc. a large percentage of those men will give all that effort to a woman that probably isn't worth marrying.

[crupiea]

I think its a great strategy.

You ever see that one neighbor who has a nice house, a 4 wheel vehicles, dirt bikes, jet skis, boat all that.

Notice that same guy isnt married.

[eddiehaskell]

I think its a great strategy.

You ever see that one neighbor who has a nice house, a 4 wheel vehicles, dirt bikes, jet skis, boat all that.

Notice that same guy isnt married.

i notice that a lot of married guys live in a house that a woman decorated 95% of and they might get some small room to call a man cave...it strikes me as kinda sad. wife gets nice things and hubby gets honey-do lists for his days off work. hubby better behave or he will be joking around about not gettin no lovin' (from his 30-40lbs overweight princess).

[theraskal]

I think its a great strategy.

You ever see that one neighbor who has a nice house, a 4 wheel vehicles, dirt bikes, jet skis, boat all that.

Notice that same guy isnt married.

oh, I know a Boomhauer like that! I enjoy a chat with him during my daily walks whenever I spot him puttering around outside. Like me, he does have a GF though and is not on the YouTube preaching MGTOW

[Basedbaby]

Could be, could also be a reasonable decision made by reasonable men who acknowledge there is no reasonable reason to give yourself the type of legal and financial obligation required of today’s society in order to be in a relationship with someone for LITERALLY NOTHING IN RETURN, sometimes at the cost of unnecessary suffering.


Another option is an hero. Which would be a movement bigger than MGTOW if the people who participated in it were able to talk about it after the fact.

Why not just get married and get a prenup?

[eddiehaskell]

Why not just get married and get a prenup?

i've heard people say those are kinda shaky in court...sometimes getting thrown out

[TheParish]

i've heard people say those are kinda shaky in court...sometimes getting thrown out

That’s how another “law abiding citizen” gets created lol

[stayhomeneet]

You never see the dudes who are getting all the poosay going Mgtow do you.

Mgtow are incel in denial

MSTOW

Men sent their own way

Brootal

[rocketfish]

its a support group for incel

if you are mgtow you are an incel might as well move to india an be one of those billion of men that will never get laid