First Do No Harm(except when it comes to transgendered people)

[jtaylor2010]

https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files


Newly leaked files from within the leading global transgender healthcare body have revealed that the clinicians who shape how “gender medicine” is regulated and practiced around the world consistently violate medical ethics and informed consent. The files, which were leaked from within the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), were published today by the US-based think tank Environmental Progress.


WPATH is considered the leading global scientific and medical authority on “gender medicine,” and in recent decades, its Standards of Care have shaped the guidance, policies and practices of governments, medical associations, public health systems and private clinics across the world.

However, the WPATH Files reveal that the organization does not meet the standards of evidence-based medicine, and members frequently discuss improvising treatments as they go along. Members are fully aware that children and adolescents cannot comprehend the lifelong consequences of “gender-affirming care,” and in some cases, due to poor health literacy, neither can their parents.

“The WPATH Files show that what is called ‘gender medicine’ is neither science nor medicine,” said Michael Shellenberger, President and founder of Environmental Progress. “The experiments are not randomized, double-blind, or controlled. It’s not medicine since the first rule is to do no harm. And that requires informed consent.”

The raw files have been published in a report called The WPATH Files: Pseudoscientific surgical and hormonal experiments on children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults, which contains analysis by journalist Mia Hughes that puts the WPATH Files in the context of the best available science on gender distress.

Environmental Progress has made all files available to read at the end of the report. The leaked files include screenshots of posts from WPATH’s internal messaging forum dating from 2021 to 2024 and a video of an internal panel discussion. All names have been redacted other than several WPATH members of public significance, such as Dr. Marci Bowers, an American gynecologist and surgeon who is the President of WPATH, and the Canadian pediatric endocrinologist Dr. Daniel Metzger.

In the WPATH Files, members demonstrate a lack of consideration for long-term patient outcomes despite being aware of the debilitating and potentially fatal side effects of cross-sex hormones and other treatments. Messages in the files show that patients with severe mental health issues, such as schizophrenia and dissociative identity disorder, and other vulnerabilities such as homelessness, are being allowed to consent to hormonal and surgical interventions. Members dismiss concerns about these patients and characterize efforts to protect them as unnecessary “gatekeeping.”

The files provide clear evidence that doctors and therapists are aware they are offering minors life-changing treatments they cannot fully understand. WPATH members know that puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries will cause infertility and other complications, including cancer and pelvic floor dysfunction. Yet they consider life-altering medical interventions for young patients, including vaginoplasty for a 14-year-old and hormones for a developmentally delayed 13-year-old.

The WPATH Files also show how far medical experiments in gender medicine have gone, with discussions about surgeons performing “nullification” and other extreme body modification procedures to create body types that do not exist in nature.

A growing number of medical and psychiatric professionals say the promotion of pseudoscientific surgical and hormonal experiments is a global medical scandal that compares to major incidents of medical malpractice in history, such as lobotomies and ovariotomies.

“Activist members of WPATH know that the so-called ‘gender-affirming care’ they provide can result in life-long complications and sterility and that their patients do not understand the implications, such as loss of sexual function and the ability to experience orgasm,” Shellenberger said. “These leaked files show overwhelming evidence that the professionals within WPATH know that they are not getting consent from children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults, or their caregivers.”

Environmental Progress has written to every WPATH member named in the files, as well as additional members whose names have been redacted, to confirm their comments and offer a right of reply. Two people responded – one confirmed that the comments attributed to them were correct, and another did not deny their comments but refuted Environmental Progress’ interpretation of them. Mention of Environmental Progress’ outreach to members via email was then later seen in the form of comments on WPATH’s internal messaging forum.

[~Hades~]

these people make it hard for a guy to go get a vasectomy yet dont hesitate to cut a kids dick off

[J.L.C.]

Medical colleges (not schools, regulatory colleges) should be ensuring clinicians have documented consent on file.

[messomi]

Medical colleges (not schools, regulatory colleges) should be ensuring clinicians have documented consent on file.

shut the hell up with your stupid posts.

[J.L.C.]

shut the hell up with your stupid posts.

It's an obvious regulatory violation; there should be repercussions.

[jtaylor2010]

shut the hell up with your stupid posts.

He says stuff like that, but thinks kids can consent to engaging in procedures that will permanently alter them, and in many cases seriously harm them.



A 13 year old can’t consent to HAVING sex, but somehow we’re supposed to believe they’re mature enough to consent to CHANGING sex….such is the state of a completely demoralized leftist these days.

[messomi]

He says stuff like that, but thinks kids can consent to engaging in procedures that will permanently alter them, and in many cases seriously harm them.



A 13 year old can’t consent to HAVING sex, but somehow we’re supposed to believe they’re mature enough to consent to CHANGING sex….such is the state of a completely demoralized leftist these days.

we need to beat him up seriously.

[J.L.C.]

He says stuff like that, but thinks kids can consent to engaging in procedures that will permanently alter them, and in many cases seriously harm them.



A 13 year old can’t consent to HAVING sex, but somehow we’re supposed to believe they’re mature enough to consent to CHANGING sex….such is the state of a completely demoralized leftist these days.

No, generally minors can only assent; parents or guardians are needed for consent. At least I'm a research context.

Age of consent in the US varies by state.
https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age...ed-states-map/

Regardless, consent is required.

[jtaylor2010]

“These leaked files show overwhelming evidence that the professionals within WPATH know that they are not getting consent from children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults, or their caregivers.”

[J.L.C.]

“These leaked files show overwhelming evidence that the professionals within WPATH know that they are not getting consent from children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults, or their caregivers.”

That's my point. These professionals should lose their licenses. Consent is a requirement.

[Polaris]

That's my point. These professionals should lose their licenses. Consent is a requirement.

You're sounding rather transphobic and bigoted.

[J.L.C.]

You're sounding rather transphobic and bigoted.

Okay.

Regardless, regulatory colleges have practice requirements and there should be repercussions when those requirements are not followed.

[Dave22reborn]

Medical colleges (not schools, regulatory colleges) should be ensuring clinicians have documented consent on file.

Minors can consent now?

[J.L.C.]

Minors can consent now?

Depends on the state

Age of consent in the US varies by state.
https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age...ed-states-map/

[Dave22reborn]

Depends on the state

And the stories of DCFS taking the children away, because the parents won't let them transition?

[Dave22reborn]

No, generally minors can only assent; parents or guardians are needed for consent. At least I'm a research context.

Age of consent in the US varies by state.
https://www.bhwlawfirm.com/legal-age...ed-states-map/

Regardless, consent is required.

That's age of consent when it comes to sex, you ****ing retard.

[J.L.C.]

That's age of consent when it comes to sex, you ****ing retard.

Also medical procedures

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2000/...nt-health-care

https://schoolhouseconnection.org/st...-medical-care/

https://www.icanotes.com/2022/12/23/...lth-treatment/

https://www.obgproject.com/2017/09/0...ental-consent/

[Dave22reborn]

Also medical procedures

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2000/...nt-health-care

https://schoolhouseconnection.org/st...-medical-care/

https://www.icanotes.com/2022/12/23/...lth-treatment/

https://www.obgproject.com/2017/09/0...ental-consent/

Providers can treat precocious puberty—marked by breast development before age 8 or testes growth before age 9—with hormonal suppressants, also called puberty blockers.

Explain why a doctor, who took an oath, to do no harm, would do this?

[J.L.C.]

Providers can treat precocious puberty—marked by breast development before age 8 or testes growth before age 9—with hormonal suppressants, also called puberty blockers.

Explain why a doctor, who took an oath, to do no harm, would do this?

Those all require consent. There should be repercussions if consent is not being obtained.

[jtaylor2010]

Lmao at thinking they consent to some guy just winging it as he mutilates their genitals….




However, the WPATH Files reveal that the organization does not meet the standards of evidence-based medicine, and members frequently discuss improvising treatments as they go along. Members are fully aware that children and adolescents cannot comprehend the lifelong consequences of “gender-affirming care,”

[J.L.C.]

Lmao at thinking they consent to some guy just winging it as he mutilates their genitals….

Are the professionals who are not obtaining consent inexperienced and/or untrained?

This should end up being a huge case!

[Anachron]

I still LOL @ the fact that miscers still argue with J.L.C...

A person who has the track record of fudging numbers by decimal points, flat out lying, claiming there was no waiver to be signed upon opting to receive a vaccine that wasn't fully approved at the time, and claiming that the lot control of vaccines administered in beaverland was achieved via a drop down menu on the physical syringe itself!

Just LOL @ beavercels and people who continue to argue with them srs

[J.L.C.]

I still LOL @ the fact that miscers still argue with J.L.C...

A person who has the track record of fudging numbers by decimal points, flat out lying, claiming there was no waiver to be signed upon opting to receive a vaccine that wasn't fully approved at the time, and claiming that the lot control of vaccines administered in beaverland was achieved via a drop down menu on the physical syringe itself!

Just LOL @ beavercels and people who continue to argue with them srs

Kinda odd that people would argue against my position on this one.

[Dave22reborn]

Those all require consent. There should be repercussions if consent is not being obtained.

Awwwwwww, how quaint, that giving nine year olds, puberty blockers, requires consent from the parent........ The doctor's conscious is clear, and his oath isn't broken.

[J.L.C.]

Awwwwwww, how quaint, that giving nine year olds, puberty blockers, requires consent from the parent........ The doctor's conscious is clear, and his oath isn't broken.

The claim in the OP is that consent is not being obtained. My position is that those professionals should face repercussions. Do you disagree?

[Anachron]

The claim in the OP is that consent is not being obtained. My position is that those professionals should face repercussions. Do you disagree?

You, as someone who was administering covid vaccines without following lot control protocols, and neglecting to obtain consent, should face repercussions.

[J.L.C.]

You, as someone who was administering covid vaccines without following lot control protocols, and neglecting to obtain consent, should face repercussions.

Untrue and unrelated to gender affirming care

[Anachron]

Untrue and unrelated to gender affirming care

I am just going by what you admitted already.

Still lulzy tho

[J.L.C.]

I am just going by what you admitted already.

Still lulzy tho

Nope and still unrelated to administration of GAC without consent.

[Anachron]

Nope and still unrelated to administration of GAC without consent.

It is related to "medical professionals" performing medical duties without "obtaining consent", which you have admitted to.

Still lulzy tho