First Do No Harm(except when it comes to transgendered people)

[jtaylor2010]

Of course, but this would apply to any sort of medical treatment or procedure. It's just a direct violation of the Hippocratic oath. There's nothing unique to the LGBT community which problematises this.


Looks like the right are just trying to connect the LGBT community to having this intrinsic propensity to being a moral degenerate and/or paedophile.

Again…


What people like you and bodhy don’t get, or at least won’t admit….is that protecting innocent kids is only part of it. Another aspect is to finally draw a line where the insanity will stop. Because, for 50+ years it has only gotten worse and worse as people on the left will just accept anything and push it forward. Again, it is absolutely insane that we are even debating whether or not we should allow doctors to give kids hormones and mutilate their genitals…yet here we are. We can’t start any type of movement back towards a semblance of reasonable normalcy until everyone can find something that we all agree is too much. In other words, the left has to finally say “no, that’s the line right there that we won’t cross”. It seems that our best bet for making that happen at the moment is to all agree we should NOT be giving children hormones and mutilating their genitals. And yes there will always be those on the fringe who agree to all sorts of crazy sh!t, but when it is actual MEDICAL GUIDANCE in our country then that is a HUGE problem. And that’s true even if you think it doesn’t matter.

[Bodhy]

Again…


What people like you and bodhy don’t get, or at least won’t admit….is that protecting innocent kids is only part of it. Another aspect is to finally draw a line where the insanity will stop. Because, for 50+ years it has only gotten worse and worse as people on the left will just accept anything and push it forward. Again, it is absolutely insane that we are even debating whether or not we should allow doctors to give kids hormones and mutilate their genitals…yet here we are. We can’t start any type of movement back towards a semblance of reasonable normalcy until everyone can find something that we all agree is too much. In other words, the left has to finally say “no, that’s the line right there that we won’t cross”. It seems that our best bet for making that happen at the moment is to all agree we should NOT be giving children hormones and mutilating their genitals. And yes there will always be those on the fringe who agree to all sorts of crazy sh!t, but when it is actual MEDICAL GUIDANCE in our country then that is a HUGE problem. And that’s true even if you think it doesn’t matter.

There's nothing wrong with debating the effectiveness of gender-affirming care. I haven't read up on it so I have no opinions, but I just want people to quit it with trying to forge this connection between the LGBt community and some intrinsic paedophilic tendency.

[Bushmaster]

Me: “let’s talk about stuff that matters”

You: “Something that actually matters - you must think it doesn’t matter too.”

It’s comical with you. No - what an adult does with there body or who they love is none of your business and it doesn’t matter. The open border does. Taking on China and Russia matters. Making stuff in America again matters. Houses people can afford matter. Inflation matters. Our failing infrastructure matters.

Those things get discussed here daily groomer. All of them, and then some.

But NOOOOOOOOO… let’s talk endlessly about THE TRANS!!!!!!!!! Won’t someone think of the children!!!

And of course leave it to you to say that like it's a bad thing.

[Anachron]

There's nothing wrong with debating the effectiveness of gender-affirming care. I haven't read up on it so I have no opinions, but I just want people to quit it with trying to forge this connection between the LGBt community and some intrinsic paedophilic tendency.

Interesting to see both you and wincel starting to backpedal ITT.

[jtaylor2010]

There's nothing wrong with debating the effectiveness of gender-affirming care. I haven't read up on it so I have no opinions, but I just want people to quit it with trying to forge this connection between the LGBt community and some intrinsic paedophilic tendency.

Here’s what you said…

Looks like the right are just trying to connect the LGBT community to having this intrinsic propensity to being a moral degenerate and/or paedophile.

Did that happen in this thread?? Or are you just deflecting in order to avoid the thread topic?

You didn’t address the revelations of the original post. You didn’t comment on my articles that show England’s health system stopping the harmful practices. You didn’t comment on any of the hundreds of other posts on the topic. You just enter the thread and immediately go “omg guys we’re not pedophiles”. And to tell ya the truth, it seems a little(or lot) sus.

[Bodhy]

Here’s what you said…





Did that happen in this thread?? Or are you just deflecting in order to avoid the thread topic?

You didn’t address the revelations of the original post. You didn’t comment on my articles that show England’s health system stopping the harmful practices. You didn’t comment on any of the hundreds of other posts on the topic. You just enter the thread and immediately go “omg guys we’re not pedophiles”. And to tell ya the truth, it seems a little(or lot) sus.

Thread has been mostly you guys and Wincel flinging turds into each other's trenches. I mostly glossed over it. I'm just saying, don't act as if the LGBT community are some sort of child-eating cabal, and don't deny the legitimate reality of transgenderism and trans people.

We had a thread about this not too long ago. There is a legitimate biological signature of transgenderism as the trans brain is physiologically different from male and female brains.

[uneducated]

Interesting to see both you and wincel starting to backpedal ITT.

What backpedaling? The AMA, APA, and the American Academy of Pediatrics all recommend gender affirming care as the gold standard in treating gender dysphoria.

See the studies linked and arguments made here:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/gen...-experimental/

That the NHS found such studies insufficient is perplexing and interesting, but ultimately, I'm inclined to side with the US medical community. If the AMA reviews things and concludes that the policy is actually wrong and harmful, I'm happy ro "backpedal" and abandon support for it.

[Bushmaster]

Thread has been mostly you guys and Wincel flinging turds

Tell the truth.. that makes you horny, doesn't it.

[uneducated]

Thread has been mostly you guys and Wincel flinging turds into each other's trenches. I mostly glossed over it. I'm just saying, don't act as if the LGBT community are some sort of child-eating cabal, and don't deny the legitimate reality of transgenderism and trans people.

We had a thread about this not too long ago. There is a legitimate biological signature of transgenderism as the trans brain is physiologically different from male and female brains.

Well the argument they are making is that GAC is harmful rather than helpful. I don't think the data backs this up, but some other countries seem to think the harms outweigh the benefits. It's a technical question so it is best left to experts on the matter, and not miscers.

Considering the rabid transphobia on this board, I don't find these arguments particularly convincing.

[Bodhy]

Well the argument they are making is that GAC is harmful rather than helpful. I don't think the data backs this up, but some other countries seem to think the harms outweigh the benefits. It's a technical question so it is best left to experts on the matter, and not miscers.

Considering the rabid transphobia on this board, I don't find these arguments particularly convincing.

Exactly, just focus the debate on the effectiveness on gender affirming care. It seems like we can't have an actual debate on this because the right-wing need to resort to personal attacks or branding the LGBT community as baby-eating cabals. Why can't they have a discussion without getting extremely angry?

They should also realize the reality of transgenderism and its biological signature, and this can present in a minor regardless of whether GAC is effective.

[jtaylor2010]

Thread has been mostly you guys and Wincel flinging turds into each other's trenches. I mostly glossed over it. I'm just saying, don't act as if the LGBT community are some sort of child-eating cabal, and don't deny the legitimate reality of transgenderism and trans people.

We had a thread about this not too long ago. There is a legitimate biological signature of transgenderism as the trans brain is physiologically different from male and female brains.

Now that we’ve confirmed it didn’t happen in this thread(and that you didn’t even bother to see if it had or not), then it means your post was a textbook example of playing the man(men) instead of playing the ball.


I guess the next step is to wait for you to condemn your actions in that post. Thanks in advance.

[Bodhy]

Now that we’ve confirmed it didn’t happen in this thread(and that you didn’t even bother to see if it had or not), then it means your post was a textbook example of playing the man(men) instead of playing the ball.


I guess the next step is to wait for you to condemn your actions in that post. Thanks in advance.

Except I never played the man and not the ball. I suggested to do the opposite by focusing on the debate over GAC. I just said not to forge a connection between the LGBT community and some sort of paedophilic tendency, or act as if GAC is some sort of grooming technique.


I also follow this up by saying transgenderism is real, a child can be genuinely transgender, regardless of GAC, so addiitonally, don't act as if transgenderism is some teenager or adult phenomenon.

[uneducated]

Exactly, just focus the debate on the effectiveness on gender affirming care. It seems like we can't have an actual debate on this because the right-wing need to resort to personal attacks or branding the LGBT community as baby-eating cabals. Why can't they have a discussion without getting extremely angry?

They should also realize the reality of transgenderism and its biological signature, and this can present in a minor regardless of whether GAC is effective.

Yep. Every miscer should watch this video.



But they'd rather listen to hacks like Shellenberger than scientists or doctors.

[Anachron]

Except I never played the man and not the ball. I suggested to do the opposite by focusing on the debate over GAC. I just said not to forge a connection between the LGBT community and some sort of paedophilic tendency, or act as if GAC is some sort of grooming technique.


I also follow this up by saying transgenderism is real, a child can be genuinely transgender, regardless of GAC, so addiitonally, don't act as if transgenderism is some teenager or adult phenomenon.

Interesting.

My quick 2c on this:


I think this obsession comes from a deep insecurity about their sexuality. I think the ones obsessing over trannies watch tranny porn, cum hard, and once the hormones plummet off a cliff they have enormous post-fap regret.

Rambling on the misc is a form of cope, but really, it's projecting their insecurities onto others. Why would you whine about trannies all the time if your sexuality didn't bother you?

Definitely not "playing the man, not the ball".

The lack of self awareness is appaling.

The state of academia these days.

[jtaylor2010]

Yep. Every miscer should watch this video.



But they'd rather listen to hacks like Shellenberger than scientists or doctors.

Except more and more advanced countries are moving away from providing gender treatments to kids and teens due to lack of evidence and also because of known, obvious harm being inflicted upon the patients. But instead of accepting the conclusions of all of those medical communities, you choose to accept the view held by a country with much worse track record for public health. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that they push the narrative that you already believe. Like I said, you’ll get here eventually….it just takes some people longer than others.

[jtaylor2010]

Interesting.



Definitely not "playing the man, not the ball".

The lack of self awareness is appaling.

The state of academia these days.

Lmao…strong this.


I’m sure he’ll be condemning those actions any minute now.

[Anachron]

Lmao…strong this.


I’m sure he’ll be condemning those actions any minute now.

I just don't understand how the "academics" of the misc can virtue signal so much and be so blind to their own hypocrisy.

[Bodhy]

Lmao…strong this.


I’m sure he’ll be condemning those actions any minute now.

I'm simply stating what is motivating people spewing hatred and conspiracies at the LGBT community. Unravelling the motives of someone spewing hatred isn't playing the man and not the ball. Because they're not even trying to debate. They're just spewing hatred.


And I'm explaining why they're spewing hatred. One of the reasons being, they're insecure about their own sexuality. Why else would someone be so obsessed with trannies?

[Bushmaster]

I just don't understand how the "academics" of the misc can virtue signal so much and be so blind to their own hypocrisy.

Ego.

They're the smartest people on earth and everybody else here is just a bunch of meatheads here to be dazzled by them.

Isn't that right wincel and Bodhy.

[Anachron]

I'm simply stating what is motivating people spewing hatred and conspiracies at the LGBT community. Unravelling the motives of someone spewing hatred isn't playing the man and not the ball. Because they're not even trying to debate. They're just spewing hatred.


And I'm explaining why they're spewing hatred. One of the reasons being, they're insecure about their own sexuality. Why else would someone be so obsessed with trannies?

Yet another post playing the man, and not the ball.

Will the hypocrisy never end?

[uneducated]

Except more and more advanced countries are moving away from providing gender treatments to kids and teens due to lack of evidence and also because of known, obvious harm being inflicted upon the patients. But instead of accepting the conclusions of all of those medical communities, you choose to accept the view held by a country with much worse track record for public health. Perhaps that has something to do with the fact that they push the narrative that you already believe. Like I said, you’ll get here eventually….it just takes some people longer than others.

Worse for public health, but way better for science and medicine at the research level. We have way more experts on this stuff than the UK. I might come to agree with you IF that is what the science shows. But the blog post I linked lists a ton of studies and reviews and makes a convincing argument. That plus the AMA and others standing by GAC makes me side with them.

I want whatever is best and safest for trans people. If this stuff actually harms them, I am happy to withdraw support. Forgive me for not taking a lot of you at your word that you care about helping these people, considering how you all routinely mock and ridicule them. It's also notable that trans groups themselves are largely speaking out and demanding access to GAC.

[Anachron]

Worse for public health, but way better for science and medicine at the research level. We have way more experts on this stuff than the UK. I might come to agree with you IF that is what the science shows. But the blog post I linked lists a ton of studies and reviews and makes a convincing argument. That plus the AMA and others standing by GAC makes me side with them.

I want whatever is best and safest for trans people. If this stuff actually harms them, I am happy to withdraw support.

And then apologize for calling people names for merely not agreeing with you 100%?

[uneducated]

Ego.

They're the smartest people on earth and everybody else here is just a bunch of meatheads here to be dazzled by them.

Isn't that right wincel and Bodhy.

People didn't come here to dazzle anyone. I joined this board because it was funny and had awesome memes, and it was a place I could learn about and talk about fitness. Then it became...whatever this is.

[Anachron]

People didn't come here to dazzle anyone. I joined this board because it was funny and had awesome memes, and it was a place I could learn about and talk about fitness. Then it became...whatever this is.

I blame the influx of redditors.

[uneducated]

And then apologize for calling people names for merely not agreeing with you 100%?

I'm happy to apologize for insulting people, but I do not take back the insults thrown at the literal nazis here. Also, if insulted, I am happy to insult back. It's not my fault I am more creative, imaginative, and verbose with my verbal abuse than these philistines.

[Anachron]

I'm happy to apologize for insulting people, but I do not take back the insults thrown at the literal nazis here. Also, if insulted, I am happy to insult back. It's not my fault I am more creative, imaginative, and verbose with my verbal abuse than these philistines.

Interesting.

So you are claiming that you have no control over your actions, and your insults are the fault of whoever insulted you first?

And just remember, you have claimed that I was a "Nazi" in the past... so I guess you just gave yourself a "get out of jail" card for any insult that you have made in the past...

The state of "academics" these days.

[Bodhy]

I'm happy to apologize for insulting people, but I do not take back the insults thrown at the literal nazis here. Also, if insulted, I am happy to insult back. It's not my fault I am more creative, imaginative, and verbose with my verbal abuse than these philistines.

You only have to apologize to people you insulted unprovoked, who were otherwise presenting an intelligent attempt at a debate. You have no obligation to apologize for hating hatred.


It's not irrational to hate hatred or telling off people who are just spewing hatred and vitriol.

[Anachron]

You only have to apologize to people you insulted unprovoked, who were otherwise presenting an intelligent attempt at a debate. You have no obligation to apologize for hating hatred.


It's not irrational to hate hatred or telling off people who are just spewing hatred and vitriol.

Yet another "academic" who claims to have no control over his own actions, and subscribes to the "but he did it first" mentality.

[jtaylor2010]

Worse for public health, but way better for science and medicine at the research level. We have way more experts on this stuff than the UK. I might come to agree with you IF that is what the science shows. But the blog post I linked lists a ton of studies and reviews and makes a convincing argument. That plus the AMA and others standing by GAC makes me side with them.

I want whatever is best and safest for trans people. If this stuff actually harms them, I am happy to withdraw support. Forgive me for not taking a lot of you at your word that you care about helping these people, considering how you all routinely mock and ridicule them. It's also notable that trans groups themselves are largely speaking out and demanding access to GAC.

What do you mean “you people”.



I don’t care what trans people do as long as they don’t hurt anyone. For the most part I feel bad for them because living with that has to suck. What I have a problem with is the push to glamorize it and celebrate it as awesome, particularly pushing it on kids. And in many cases it’s just examples of gay, autistic, depressed, or just generally uncertain adolescents who are now being pushed towards viewing themselves as transgendered. That is harmful. It much better to be a gay person who is happy in their body than to be a trans person. And when you start pushing “treatments” to permanently alter a young person it is harmful. Which again, is why so many countries are moving away from the practice. It should be Ana absolute last resort after all other options have failed to help the patient. But sadly we treat it more like we do depression these days, where the first option is a pill that alters the persons brain instead of trying alternative methods first. That’s why such an insane number of people are on brain-altering drugs in this country. Such is the state of American healthcare though….and sadly kids are suffering because of it.

[uneducated]

You only have to apologize to people you insulted unprovoked, who were otherwise presenting an intelligent attempt at a debate. You have no obligation to apologize for hating hatred.


It's not irrational to hate hatred or telling off people who are just spewing hatred and vitriol.

Exactly.