Are luxury cars a scam for most people?

[WiseOldApe]

BRB heated steering wheel

BRB self closing doors/trunk

BRB useless features

BRB a Mazda 3 is more reliable and costs 3 times less

[elterrible987]

yeah boomer coworker was going to buy some stupid 70k SUV/CUV thing forget which one, she doesnt care about any of that chit and smokes in her vehicles anyways. Told her to just get another kia its like 90% the same chit for like half the price.

[WiseOldApe]

yeah boomer coworker was going to buy some stupid 70k SUV/CUV thing forget which one, she doesnt care about any of that chit and smokes in her vehicles anyways. Told her to just get another kia its like 90% the same chit for like half the price.

I've heard from a few sources that Mazdas are some of the most reliable car around these dayss

[AnklesBruised]

The affordable car brands have rly upped their designs and look on par to the luxuries now.

Add in luxury brands having chitty maintenance and breaking down all the time

But the real blow is luxuries changing their build to be efficient instead of luxury. Many people bought them because of how they drive. Now everyone has great builds and everything is about efficiency.

They also aren't any safer.

Status mogging is the only reason to get one.

[Ironmanlet]

It is superficial meaningless nonsense that we place unnecessary value on which translates to us dedicating our entire existence to stuff that does not matter and that is a shame.


We do it to ourselves and we can stop anytime.


But we won’t.

[1320it]

BRB heated steering wheel

BRB self closing doors/trunk

BRB useless features

BRB a Mazda 3 is more reliable and costs 3 times less

imagine saying the most rust prone car on the planet is better than a luxury car

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...-never-sleeps/

just lmfao

[Duckliver]

It is superficial meaningless nonsense that we place unnecessary value on which translates to us dedicating our entire existence to stuff that does not matter and that is a shame.


We do it to ourselves and we can stop anytime.


But we won’t.

But can you even rationalize a car at all as being anything but superficial if it’s only tending to kinetic needs. Is the rationalization that it is transformative for how we interact with the society that provides some things which end up being static needs justification for owning a vehicle to service static needs? Or is it only attending to kinetic happiness regardless of which model?

Has modern society transformed the human experience so far that technological goods are such a necessity that we can no longer attend to our static needs minimally. But rather service them into triviality with an excess of ownership which reduces hardship in achievement, cheapening the value of the achieving one’s static needs while simultaneously removing the benefits of living a simple focused life.

[propreffered7]

my infiniti is now pretty old. but it still looks pretty sweet

my mileage would still be low if it weren't for one job specifically

i fuken love it.

my tank is prob what ~20 miles to the gallon.. might go prius and get that 60-mile-per-gallon

i would 100% buy infiniti again though. at least the newer iteration of my car.

infiniti is nice too cause if you ever have repairs, it being nissan it's not hard or maybe even costly to find parts

unless you're absolutely balling i feel like lambos and chit are a waste. 100% have to worry about it, 100% costly as fuk to repair, 100% fuel costs.. can't park it just anywhere, can't really use it just anywhere..kinda a pain in the azz. as much as people admire it, there's gotta be just as many haters

[Ironmanlet]

But can you even rationalize a car at all as being anything but superficial if it’s only tending to kinetic needs. Is the rationalization that it is transformative for how we interact with the society that provides some things which end up being static needs justification for owning a vehicle to service static needs? Or is it only attending to kinetic happiness regardless of which model?

Has modern society transformed the human experience so far that technological goods are such a necessity that we can no longer attend to our static needs minimally. But rather service them into triviality with an excess of ownership which reduces hardship in achievement, cheapening the value of the achieving one’s static needs while simultaneously removing the benefits of living a simple focused life.

No modern society has not dictated that.

That idea does exist but it is 100% an illusion.

Our biological survival instincts are exploited, things like our fear of missing out, insecurities, desires for social acceptance, etc are what drives this.

Those instincts are no longer required for our survival.

A car should serve the purposes of functional utility. Any desire for shiny things and the ability to brag about nifty **** that won’t last long does not serve us in any positive way.

It is a result of, and a contributing factor to our increased insanity.

Again, we can stop anytime. We don’t want to.


In order to get these shiny things we have to give up our selves for money. Not worth it in my mind.

[Duckliver]

No modern society has not dictated that.

That idea does exist but it is 100% an illusion.

Our biological survival instincts are exploited, things like our fear of missing out, insecurities, desires for social acceptance, etc are what drives this.

Those instincts are no longer required for our survival.

A car should serve the purposes of functional utility. Any desire for shiny things and the ability to brag about nifty **** that won’t last long does not serve us in any positive way.

It is a result of, and a contributing factor to our increased insanity.

Again, we can stop anytime. We don’t want to.


In order to get these shiny things we have to give up our selves for money. Not worth it in my mind.

So I guess my point is, does the second part of “it is possible for a car to serve a functional utility” even matter. When our base needs have been subverted in such a way to even make that a rational solution.

Car doesn’t fit anywhere into food/water, shelter, clothes and does the process of using it to make those things easier to achieve in the current system, undermine the entire point of the philosophy of tending to base needs.

[Duckliver]

For example:

If a car is serving a base function, but that base function is merely facilitating making you more efficient in achieving money to achieve security in your base/static needs.

Is it really necessary? Efficiency is great but if you can service all base needs without the additional time, technically between public transportation systems and cutting time spent on superficial activities most people could figure out their commutes and get to the store etc..

What are people sacrificing except time spent on whatever random pleasures they have?

So the efficiency isn’t really necessary for most people but a luxury. And if the car purchase is a luxury in itself what’s the difference between a base car and a “luxury” car psychologically? Surely if you expect happiness it’s folly in either case, but if you are accepting the pill of having a car as a luxury for your dalliances, then there is no difference between buying a base one and an upgraded one if you are cognizant of what you are purchasing and why.

[ispy]

wouldn't say they're a scam, but a lot of the features that used to be premium now cost less to implement into the lower-end cars. i've seen a lot of people who were into lexus rx/bmw x5/mb gle going for the new cx90 instead to save some money, while getting similar quality car. now they'll also have the option of the cx70 if they want less seats, and more storage.

[Ironmanlet]

For example:

If a car is serving a base function, but that base function is merely facilitating making you more efficient in achieving money to achieve security in your base/static needs.

Is it really necessary? Efficiency is great but if you can service all base needs without the additional time, technically between public transportation systems and cutting time spent on superficial activities most people could figure out their commutes and get to the store etc..

What are people sacrificing except time spent on whatever random pleasures they have?

So the efficiency isn’t really necessary for most people but a luxury. And if the car purchase is a luxury in itself what’s the difference between a base car and a “luxury” car psychologically? Surely if you expect happiness it’s folly in either case, but if you are accepting the pill of having a car as a luxury for your dalliances, then there is no difference between buying a base one and an upgraded one if you are cognizant of what you are purchasing and why.

The fact many people live their entire life without a car or even a drives license adds value to your idea they are not necessary.

I personally am not yet 100% self sufficient and do rely on things like going to the grocery store with my car. There are ways to do things without it. I would suggest your perspective is reasonable, but I am experiencing a little bit of cognitive dissonance accepting it, because I myself am brainwashed into believing I have to do everything society tells me to.

Thank you for going a little deeper in that concept.


And as far as the sacrifice beside time? Opportunity cost.

[AWillis]

BRB heated steering wheel

BRB self closing doors/trunk

BRB useless features

BRB a Mazda 3 is more reliable and costs 3 times less

pretty much

all you need is cruise control and AC if you live in a hot climate

less sensors and electrical crap to go wrong too.

[LaCosaNostra90]

the problem is entry level vehicles (civic, Mazda 3 etc) have added all the luxury features (heated steering wheel, heated front/rear seats, remote start from app, CarPlay/android auto, rain sensing wipers etc etc)

meanwhile luxury vehicles have not innovated any new features whatsoever



between a new Honda civic touring and a bmw 3 series there is literally no features other than maybe HUD or vented seats that the BMW can offer

[Visel]

Yes, but I'll admit I'm jealous of some of those cars that turn on and get the temperature going from a push of a button on your phone. I remember a dude who got his first job in the career, we were at a dinner with some friends, it was cold AF outside. Everyone was dreading getting to their cars. Dude pulls out the phone and turns it on 10 mins before leaving, setting the temperature to a comfy 78F. This must've been 2019 or so, I remember he had like a $50k loan on the car.

[OliverHeldens]

A scam is only a scam if someone misled you.

If a person likes nice cars, it’s not a scam. If a person thinks they’re buying a luxury car and is actually buying a Ford Pinto, it’s a scam.

[WiseOldApe]

Some luxury features that I rate are parking sensors and rear view camera - this is 110% useful and stops the car getting scratched.

Thing is my car has these features and it isn't even a luxury car just a higher level trim

A scam is only a scam if someone misled you.

If a person likes nice cars, it’s not a scam. If a person thinks they’re buying a luxury car and is actually buying a Ford Pinto, it’s a scam.

That's my point.... a japanese mazda or toyota are less likely to break down than 'german engineering' BMW.

In fact if I was going to get a luxury car in the future, I would opt for a lexus for the fact that it's a glorified toyota so it costs less to repair and is likely more reliable.

Thing is though some guy on here was saying that even toyotas these days are not what they are used to be and recommended mazda

[LuigiMiami631]

It's for brokies to give themselves meaning or higher worth when in reality, they are still dumb fuks.

[6gorillion]

It’s a “scam” only if you’re poor and the e maintenance and are scraping and penny pinching to make the payments.

Clearly wealthy people love them.

Go drive a Mazda 3 and then a Porsche 911 back to back to see the difference in the experience.

[WiseOldApe]

It’s a “scam” only if you’re poor and the e maintenance and are scraping and penny pinching to make the payments.

Clearly wealthy people love them.

Go drive a Mazda 3 and then a Porsche 911 back to back to see the difference in the experience.

Have you ever driven a mazda 3? They're quite whippy, especially the 2.5 litre models and turbo engine models.

Porsche is not a luxury car, it's a sports car - I'm talking about buying a BMW 7 series for AUD $200k vs a high trim Mazda 6 for AUD 60k - the mazda 6 will outlast the BMW and has relevant luxury features, too.

[EDcellent]

I dunno, OP. I felt pretty good on the way to work with my massaging seats.

[stevemckenna]

This thread is brought to you by Mazda. Zoom Zoom!

[elterrible987]

I've heard from a few sources that Mazdas are some of the most reliable car around these dayss

I like them a lot, engine bay layout is simple japanese car, they use torque converters not CVTs, they do a good job with steering feel which is important to me these days with power steering be electric most economy cars have no feel to them anymore, they arent a sports car but are just a bit more stiffer chasis. I might even get a mazda 3 for my next car, only thing i read is the newer ones all have the engine deactivation and now cylinder deactivation which i hate and seems there is no way to permanently disable it.

imagine saying the most rust prone car on the planet is better than a luxury car

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...-never-sleeps/

just lmfao

thats long been a known issue, i dont know if they fixed it or not. my moms mazda 6 has been fine but it doesnt snow where she lives. I had a VW GTI in the north east for 3 years and can say theres hardly any rust underneath. I did always try to hit up a car wash with the underbody sprayers after every snow event. VW is like audi light, i do like the feel of their doors that have heavier weight to them, including the door handle it feels nicer doesnt feel like cheap hollow chit like a japanese economy car.

[elterrible987]

Have you ever driven a mazda 3? They're quite whippy, especially the 2.5 litre models and turbo engine models.

Porsche is not a luxury car, it's a sports car - I'm talking about buying a BMW 7 series for AUD $200k vs a high trim Mazda 6 for AUD 60k - the mazda 6 will outlast the BMW and has relevant luxury features, too.

yeah i really like the 3 and 6, there is a lot less body roll than their competitors, the steering feel is a lot better too, the economy cars from toyota, honda, hyundai ect they all have ****ty feeling in them and lots of body roll, they all use CVTs too. I would take a mazda over any rental car out there and probably will get one for my next car when its time, we will see. I like my GTI but dont really use it to the max anyways on the roads here.

[mikeditka]

I've heard from a few sources that Mazdas are some of the most reliable car around these dayss

Lol no.

Lexus is without a doubt THE most reliable car for about the last 35 years. There is no debate on this.

100% srs

[WiseOldApe]

I like them a lot, engine bay layout is simple japanese car, they use torque converters not CVTs, they do a good job with steering feel which is important to me these days with power steering be electric most economy cars have no feel to them anymore, they arent a sports car but are just a bit more stiffer chasis. I might even get a mazda 3 for my next car, only thing i read is the newer ones all have the engine deactivation and now cylinder deactivation which i hate and seems there is no way to permanently disable it.

What's engine/piston deactivation?

yeah i really like the 3 and 6, there is a lot less body roll than their competitors, the steering feel is a lot better too, the economy cars from toyota, honda, hyundai ect they all have ****ty feeling in them and lots of body roll, they all use CVTs too. I would take a mazda over any rental car out there and probably will get one for my next car when its time, we will see. I like my GTI but dont really use it to the max anyways on the roads here.

yeah I've head that CVTs are sh*t

Lol no.

Lexus is without a doubt THE most reliable car for about the last 35 years. There is no debate on this.

100% srs

what makes you say that

[theory816]

the problem is entry level vehicles (civic, Mazda 3 etc) have added all the luxury features (heated steering wheel, heated front/rear seats, remote start from app, CarPlay/android auto, rain sensing wipers etc etc)

meanwhile luxury vehicles have not innovated any new features whatsoever

between a new Honda civic touring and a bmw 3 series there is literally no features other than maybe HUD or vented seats that the BMW can offer

Luxury cars are always going to be many steps ahead of the entry vehicles because It'll have better looking interiors/trimming, better safety stuff, better insulation. Entry level cars don't have those things because then the manufacturer would be selling it at a lost.

[ralphlaurenbrah]

Only luxury car I would buy is a used Porsche Macan or 718. Can get them for $45k which is not bad at all and I’ve heard they are super reliable. For now my Honda accord ex-l v6 is godly. Drives amazing and has 140k miles on it. Will prob get the Porsche after this one but it’s only because I’m a car guy and I can appreciate it. It’s a waste for 99% of people and I’d never buy one new

[elterrible987]

What's engine/piston deactivation?

the first "technology" is where it just shuts your engine off at stoplights or even stop signs if its sensitive enough and then starts back up, that would annoy the **** out of me

the second one, cylinder deactivation, is when youre cruising on the highway it will shut down fuel to two cylinders and only use the other two, and then when you need more power reactivate them, that would also annoy me and the concern is the temperature differentials it creates in the engine block and other items and the excess thermal cycles on them.

they are doing all this chit to get better EPA numbers on the tests, its fuking retarded and the consumer should have the right to deactivate it


as for CVT yeah i had a rental with it and its ****ty