This guy is supposed to write me a program: is he being dishonest about his gains?

[radrd]

to be fair I have also heard that novices don't need a customized program. but for example, with me my barbell bench press gets uneven the heavier I go which is why I think some exercises won't work for me.

In what way is your bench press uneven? I can almost guarantee this is a technique issue rather than a programming issue. If there's any program change that might help, it would probably be swapping barbell for dumbbell bench press for a while, which is going to be perfectly acceptable for most programs and doesn't require you to change your entire routine.

[Tybittz3]

In what way is your bench press uneven? I can almost guarantee this is a technique issue rather than a programming issue. If there's any program change that might help, it would probably be swapping barbell for dumbbell bench press for a while, which is going to be perfectly acceptable for most programs and doesn't require you to change your entire routine.

not saying it's the program's fault but I've had multiple fitness professionals notice an imbalance in my back and imply that was part of an issue. I don't think it's necessarily technique because it's fine on the lower weight. corrective exercises seem to even it out temporarily, or like you and others suggested, swapping it out for dumbells instead.

[CommitmentRulz]

Sometimes "helpless" and "hopeless" are the same thing.

[Tybittz3]

Sometimes "helpless" and "hopeless" are the same thing.

what do you mean

[Tybittz3]

In what way is your bench press uneven? I can almost guarantee this is a technique issue rather than a programming issue. If there's any program change that might help, it would probably be swapping barbell for dumbbell bench press for a while, which is going to be perfectly acceptable for most programs and doesn't require you to change your entire routine.

also what I meant is the right side of the barbell goes higher than the left on heavier weight. have you heard of something like this?

[coachcalande]

because they may need something specialized for their needs and body.

Oh bull#%^*


If youre a beginner thru advanced those bodybuilding books will have you covered.

[paulinkansas]

also what I meant is the right side of the barbell goes higher than the left on heavier weight. have you heard of something like this?

Did you break a limb when you were younger? I know a guy that had his arm in a cast when he was 13 or 14. A few years later when he would extend out both his arms, the arm that was not in a cast was longer than the other arm by about an inch.

[Tybittz3]

Did you break a limb when you were younger? I know a guy that had his arm in a cast when he was 13 or 14. A few years later when he would extend out both his arms, the arm that was not in a cast was longer than the other arm by about an inch.

no
I don't know why it's like this

[Tybittz3]

Oh bull#%^*

not everything works for everyone

[jasonp360]

not everything works for everyone

Did you try?

[coachcalande]

not everything works for everyone

Literally everyone

Muscle is muscle…

Progressive resistance training with basic pushes, pulls, hinges and squats works for *checks notes * every one.

Aside from needing a physical therapist because of medical conditions or injuries- no reason to hire anyone to write a program. Even a PT would insist on actually teaching you first.

[Tybittz3]

Literally everyone

Muscle is muscle…

Progressive resistance training with basic pushes, pulls, hinges and squats works for *checks notes * every one.

Aside from needing a physical therapist because of medical conditions or injuries- no reason to hire anyone to write a program. Even a PT would insist on actually teaching you first.

what would be the point of a personal trainer or a customized plan for a normal person then.

[Tybittz3]

Did you try?

ive tried certain things. I might try fierce 5 also. certain things don't work for me. for instance, for whatever reason the bench press doesn't seem to grow my chest. for whatever reason my chest struggles to grow in general even after doing a wide variety of exercises.

[paulinkansas]

yes. certain things don't work for me. for instance, for whatever reason the bench press doesn't seem to grow my chest.

Try doing dumb bell presses. I like them because I get a better range of motion and because my wrists are not in a fixed position in the Y plane.

For you 'tards that don't know what the Y plane is, it's the horizontal axis.

[Tybittz3]

Try doing dumb bell presses. I like them because I get a better range of motion and because my wrists are not in a fixed position in the Y plane.

For you 'tards that don't know what the Y plane is, it's the horizontal axis.

db press definitely feels like it targets it better

[radrd]

what would be the point of a personal trainer or a customized plan for a normal person then.

I recommend neither, so I'd start with there being no point unless you want to pay someone to hold you accountable for showing up or if you're too lazy to find a reputable novice training program online.

[Tybittz3]

I recommend neither, so I'd start with there being no point unless you want to pay someone to hold you accountable for showing up or if you're too lazy to find a reputable novice training program online.

after this I think I'm done paying and moving to fierce 5 if the program is bad.

[Tybittz3]

I recommend neither, so I'd start with there being no point unless you want to pay someone to hold you accountable for showing up or if you're too lazy to find a reputable novice training program online.

honestly if I got anything out of pt it's that I can now do barbell squats without hurting my back. watching videos alone wasn't enough for me to get it right.

[TolerantLactose]

what would be the point of a personal trainer or a customized plan for a normal person then.

I'd argue there's no point other than making someone some money.

ive tried certain things. I might try fierce 5 also. certain things don't work for me. for instance, for whatever reason the bench press doesn't seem to grow my chest. for whatever reason my chest struggles to grow in general even after doing a wide variety of exercises.

How much are you benching?

also what I meant is the right side of the barbell goes higher than the left on heavier weight. have you heard of something like this?

I see it often in novices who haven't learn the movement pattern.

[coachcalande]

what would be the point of a personal trainer or a customized plan for a normal person then.

Exactly

[Tybittz3]

Do whatever works for you regardless of this nebulous “they” says - or even us.

But when what you’re doing - and everything you’ve done in the past - isn’t working, you need to look within yourself and make a meaningful change in your approach.

Simpler is always better - special needs as a beginner is rarely a thing. Complicated sometimes may be necessary further down the road in one’s development.

Good luck!

I'm officially getting a refund. I'm reading into fierce 5 now

[Tybittz3]

I'd argue there's no point other than making someone some money.


How much are you benching?


I see it often in novices who haven't learn the movement pattern.

sorry I meant to answer this earlier. the most I remember doing with decent form is at least 135lb. things start to get sloppy above that.

[coachcalande]

“Customized training” 😂👍

[Tybittz3]

Do whatever works for you regardless of this nebulous “they” says - or even us.

But when what you’re doing - and everything you’ve done in the past - isn’t working, you need to look within yourself and make a meaningful change in your approach.

Simpler is always better - special needs as a beginner is rarely a thing. Complicated sometimes may be necessary further down the road in one’s development.

Good luck!

yeah I think I'm done paying for trainers. I wish I had other people to train with though and spot me. I'm just too paranoid to spend any money after reading what everyone has been telling me.

[Tybittz3]

“Customized training” ������������

I'm glad you find it funny. Just because certain things work for most people doesn't mean they'll work for everyone. anyway, I'm probably done paying for personal training but to say they don't have a place is bull****. athletes have coaches too, don't tell me they can just watch everything on youtube. I've watched countless videos on how to squat and deadlift on youtube. I only got it right until someone in person taught me how to do it.

[JoeDelts]

That guy's sauced to the gills. That's the real secret to his "program".

[Tybittz3]

That guy's sauced to the gills. That's the real secret to his "program".

I was lucky enough to get a refund.

[Tybittz3]

There are plenty of free programs out there. I wouldn't pay someone to write one for me unless I was paying them to be my trainer which I also wouldn't pay for.

Honestly, as much as my in person trainers sucked they were able to get me to deadlift and squat without hurting myself. Watching a bunch of youtube videos wasn't enough for me. Maybe that's just me though. I don't think I'm spending anymore though.

[TolerantLactose]

I'm glad you find it funny. Just because certain things work for most people doesn't mean they'll work for everyone. anyway, I'm probably done paying for personal training but to say they don't have a place is bull****. athletes have coaches too, don't tell me they can just watch everything on youtube.

What you're talking about is a methodical approach to training, with thoughtful analyses of responses to protocols and making adjustments based on those analyses. It's not an excuse to make haphazard changes like you have been doing.

[paulinkansas]

That guy's sauced to the gills. That's the real secret to his "program".

OP. You are paying for his sauce. His special vitamins. His supplements.