Communism failed in Venezuela, so why do leftists think

[Fang2]

It will work in first world countries?

[nkiritsis13]

Simple:

1. "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

2. Leftists are constantly revising history to suit their emotions.

3. ???

4. "This time edging towards absolute power of the state won't corrupt absolutely!"

The US is already a Democratic Banana Republic, but apparently the current state of political corruption running rampant in front of everyone's eyes isn't enough of a red flag that handing over even more power to these geriatric crooks is not a good idea.

[Dave22reborn]

Every time it fails, they always have an excuse why it failed.

[Stizzel]

Its never worked anywhere. In the end communists are just useless incompetent people that are willing to kill to take from productive portions of society. Thugs that give their criminality the veneer of philosophy

[jtaylor2010]

Honestly, I assume most of them realize it probably won’t work. They don’t care though, and are only concerned that it’ll make their life a little better. If it helps them for a few decades for collapsing that’s all they care about. I mean, the found was a nihilistic, atheistic, incel who basically turned victim mentality into a guiding economic principle. Of course it doesn’t work.

[BWChaver]

Supporting communism is just another form of virtue signaling. It's why people (almost all from middle class backgrounds) still push for it despite its massive failures

[BeachPro11]

Supporting communism is just another form of virtue signaling. It's why people (almost all from middle class backgrounds) still push for it despite its massive failures

Bingo.

[Stizzel]

Bingo.

All part of the kgb's plan



Their primary focus for this was to fill our universities with commies, which is why liberals look down on anyone without a degree - very unlikely such a person has been brain washed

[Shortfuze]

I think US leadership wants to make the country like China; a one-party leadership with complete control (especially social mores/norms/conventions etc) but enough freedom to allow businesses and service industry to accommodate global trade.

[BeachPro11]

All part of the kgb's plan



Their primary focus for this was to fill our universities with commies, which is why liberals look down on anyone without a degree - very unlikely such a person has been brain washed

If you go back to the 1950s and onwards, there has always been the hippie crowd. These were the people that lived on communes. Dressed terribly. Lots of gays. Tranny's. Did lots of drugs. Ugly people. Not attractive. But back then no one paid attention to them. Especially the media. They were outsiders who people just scoffed at. A fringe.

These days? Those same people, the hippies, are now the wokes and that fringe of people is being given huge validation and attention. The fatties. The uglies. The hippies. The same exact people. They are just being listened to now....for reasons. (we all know what they are) And they are taking advantage of that big time.

No one of any consequence is calling for communism. The fringe wokes are. But not most sane people.

[killnazis4fun]

BBBBUT COMMUNISM FAILED IN VUVUZELA


No, retard. The US has been fuking with Maduro's economy nonstop to make it fail because they want Exxon to come in and take the oil. The US has tried and failed twice to carry out a coup. You have zero understanding of geopolitics.

"Communism" is not even a real thing yet. Socialism is a model, and it does work and has worked. It is working in China right now. There is such a thing as market socialism. Communism is an ultimate philosophical goal socialists have, but it is unlikely to ever be realized. People also get way too hung up on "isms" without understanding the fundamental criticism of the concentration of power and management of economy. The US system has already used many "socialist" actions to rescue its system from destruction multiple times. It's a fking joke at this point. When you argue in defense of "capitalism", what you are really defending is neoliberal imperialist hegemony. You want Russia, China, Venezuela, etc to all collapse and bow to your system while you plunder their resources and rape and exploit their people.

Don't be mad when these people don't go along with it and literally kill you one day for hoarding all the wealth and resources of the planet. America is 4% of the Earth, and something like 0.5% of that 4% controls most of the wealth and resources of the Earth by legal title, defended at gunpoint by the most powerful military in human history. It is an empire. And it will be brought to its knees.

[Fang2]

BBBBUT COMMUNISM FAILED IN VUVUZELA


No, retard. The US has been fuking with Maduro's economy nonstop to make it fail because they want Exxon to come in and take the oil. The US has tried and failed twice to carry out a coup. You have zero understanding of geopolitics.

Oh look the first commie defender comes in

[killnazis4fun]

If you go back to the 1950s and onwards, there has always been the hippie crowd. These were the people that lived on communes. Dressed terribly. Lots of gays. Tranny's. Did lots of drugs. Ugly people. Not attractive. But back then no one paid attention to them. Especially the media. They were outsiders who people just scoffed at. A fringe.

These days? Those same people, the hippies, are now the wokes and that fringe of people is being given huge validation and attention. The fatties. The uglies. The hippies. The same exact people. They are just being listened to now....for reasons. (we all know what they are) And they are taking advantage of that big time.

No one of any consequence is calling for communism. The fringe wokes are. But not most sane people.

Communism has zero to do with "woke", which is a capitalist invention to reinvent and rebrand the US empire while dividing the working class.

[killnazis4fun]

Oh look the first commie defender comes in

Tell me where Fidel is wrong.



The criticisms are correct.

If you want a specific defense for "communism" rather than an attack on your system (which is really what most people mean by communism), then define communism for me. Show me an example of what you consider a communist country and why you think it failed. And show me one that wasn't gimped by American manipulation, meddling, blockades, sanctions, etc. You actually can't. I'll also point out that like with capitalism, there are bad communist leaders and good ones. For whatever reason, capitalism is held to a different standard while you treat communism as a unified blob.

[gwg77]

It will work in first world countries?

because wincel is a retarded subhuman

[killnazis4fun]

because wincel is a retarded subhuman

Better get on your main and ban me, loser. Can't let me talk and defend anything. Don't forget to erase my posts.

The mArKeTpLaCe oF IdEaS, where any mention of Lenin or Stalin is bitterly censored and erased, but hitler is everywhere. lmfao

[Kraken]

After the fall of Maoist China, Soviet Russia, and Nazi Germany, everyone agreed socialism was a failure and capitalism was a success. unfortunately that didn’t stop the universities from continuing their indoctrination and politicians passing socialist policies.

How!? Why!? Ohhh, because those dictators weren’t as smart as today’s socialists.

[killnazis4fun]

After the fall of Maoist China, Soviet Union, and Nazi Germany, everyone agreed socialism was a failure and capitalism was a success. unfortunately that didn’t stop the universities from continuing their indoctrination and politicians passing socialist policies.

How!? Why!? Ohhh, because those dictators weren’t as smart as today’s socialists.

Do you know how and why the USSR collapsed? And Mao's China never fell. It adopted market reforms and continues. And Nazi Germany was not socialist.

[Kraken]

Do you know how and why the USSR collapsed? And Mao's China never fell. It adopted market reforms and continues. And Nazi Germany was not socialist.

Yes, wrong, ok, wrong.

[BeachPro11]

Communism has zero to do with "woke", which is a capitalist invention to reinvent and rebrand the US empire while dividing the working class.

Has everything to do with woke. The very same people who need pronouns and want tranny power and who want men in girls bathrooms and men in women's sports and who call everyone racist, mysoginist, bigot etc?

Are by and large the same people who want communism/socialism.

[killnazis4fun]

Has everything to do with woke. The very same people who need pronouns and want tranny power and who want men in girls bathrooms and men in women's sports and who call everyone racist, mysoginist, bigot etc?

Are by and large the same people who want communism/socialism.

Communist ideology promotes a more equitable society, but people like Ibram Kendi and corporations like Disney are NOT communist. They are opportunistic capitalists trying to further their own status by dividing labor. Look at the CIA. It pretends to be woke now while still defending imperialism and exploitation, even arming and supporting nazis and terrorists.

You are a feebleminded capitalist who lucked out with his business, and you've been radicalized by fascist propaganda. The tranny culture wars do not define the ideological divide, regardless of what these idiots want you to believe and fight about. They want you to think of the theoretical issues of a tranny using your locker room and not the actual issues of poverty, war, and mass slaughter of people happening right fuking now.

That LGBT issues can trigger so many Americans shows how self absorbed and narcissistic this toxic country is. All you have is first world problems. You need to lose everything to learn something. You need to suffer to improve. And as an aside, of course LGBT should be protected and have equal rights, where reasonable. The pride thing is an American invention that again undermines the very cause.

[Kraken]

Communism has zero to do with "woke", which is a capitalist invention to reinvent and rebrand the US empire while dividing the working class.

“Woke” was the rhetoric used originally by black activists in the 2000s.

Woke is a version of Leninist Marxism. The ideology was outlined and described in the book Black Power; Politics of Liberation written by Stokely Carmichael 1969. Today’s woke revolution is a continuation of the Marxist revolution of the 1960s.

[RIKTER]

Communism has zero to do with "woke", which is a capitalist invention to reinvent and rebrand the US empire while dividing the working class.

This is true, however, the modern left adaptation of "communism" includes wokeism...which is more evidence that its movement is being lead/funded by the very same multi-national corps they claim to be against and because wokeism is actually much more important than actual economic/political systems, those same entities will always be leading from the rear.

[killnazis4fun]

“Woke” was the rhetoric used originally by black activists in the 2000s.

Woke is a version of Leninist Marxism. The ideology was outlined and described in the book Black Power; Politics of Liberation written by Stokely Carmichael 1969. Today’s woke revolution is a continuation of the Marxist revolution of the 1960s.

Wokeism is coming out of black nationalism, gay pride, and capitalism. None of these are Marxist at all.

[killnazis4fun]

This is true, however, the modern left adaptation of "communism" includes wokeism...which is more evidence that its movement is being lead/funded by the very same multi-national corps they claim to be against and because wokeism is actually much more important than actual economic/political systems, those same entities will always be leading from the rear.

Because the "modern left" in America is not left. The Democratic establishment works for Wall St. It has zero to do with communism. Check the donor lists. I don't even get how you can argue the multinational capitalist companies pushing these policies solely to make more money are communist. Their goal is to destroy the labor movements, like the occupy one that responded to the financial crisis. They've been stoking racial and gender divisions to achieve this.

Chauvinism is the ENEMY of communism. All forms of it. That includes any ethnic, gender based, national, or religious divisions. Anything that divides the unity (Good job, Anachron. Glad you read.) of labor from overthrowing those who control the means of production is against Marxism.

The person closest to socialism in US politics was Sanders, and even he is cucked controlled opposition and an AIPAC patsy. There is no left in America. The closest to ideological leftists, like Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, and Norman Finkelstein are erased, censored, and black balled.

[Polaris]

Wokeism is coming out of black nationalism, gay pride, and capitalism. None of these are Marxist at all.

How would "true" Communism address these?

[Kraken]

Wokeism is coming out of black nationalism, gay pride, and capitalism. None of these are Marxist at all.

It's clear you don't have a grasp on the ideologies, their histories, and even farther, economics. I've made numerous extensive posts on the subjects, which I will not elaborate again, because there are too many topics and subject matter to cover all of it. It will take me far too long, and I don't have the energy for redundancy

[BeachPro11]

Communist ideology promotes a more equitable society, but people like Ibram Kendi and corporations like Disney are NOT communist. They are opportunistic capitalists trying to further their own status by dividing labor. Look at the CIA. It pretends to be woke now while still defending imperialism and exploitation, even arming and supporting nazis and terrorists.

You are a feebleminded capitalist who lucked out with his business, and you've been radicalized by fascist propaganda. The tranny culture wars do not define the ideological divide, regardless of what these idiots want you to believe and fight about. They want you to think of the theoretical issues of a tranny using your locker room and not the actual issues of poverty, war, and mass slaughter of people happening right fuking now.

That LGBT issues can trigger so many Americans shows how self absorbed and narcissistic this toxic country is. All you have is first world problems. You need to lose everything to learn something. You need to suffer to improve. And as an aside, of course LGBT should be protected and have equal rights, where reasonable. The pride thing is an American invention that again undermines the very cause.

So you are going to disagree that a large % of people that you see at rallies for communism and socialism are the exact same people who show up at LGQYBXXX, BLM, pro abortion etc rallies?

Because I see lots of the same types of people.

[killnazis4fun]

How would "true" Communism address these?

By crushing them.

[ParsleyTea]

I've not read much on that, but figure people tend to vote for their best self interest.

If you are a member of the communist party, in Venezuela or elsewhere, life is probably ok. The leadership does well, even lives rich. It is the majority who are not members that live poorly, in dirty environments, and sometimes in terror.

In wars that communist, centralized type governments fight, you will see little concern for the lives of soldiers. Sending human waves to be killed matters little to the leadership of communists/centralized leadership.
There is also the old saying, people like to be told what to do. It is easier to have others make decisions for you. It is something military officers are taught. You have lots of choices with capitalism. With communism there are few choices, and the leadership makes the decision for you, whether good or not.