Communism failed in Venezuela, so why do leftists think

[J.L.C.]

They were socialists. LMAO I get that this is very confusing for you, Dave. Take some time to learn what the words mean.

Education is communist and therefore bad

[GreatOldOne]

Nah. That's a common American narrative. China has its own system and principles. It isn't using neoliberal principles. If it did, the US wouldn't be so threatened by it. They still teach Marxism all over the place in China, and they still are strongly committed to socialism with Chinese characteristics and to eventually build a strong welfare state.

They didn't socialist their way out of poverty. We gave them access to a vast capitalist marketplace for mutual welfare and benefit.

[Dave22reborn]

Do you think everyone has to wait a year?

The politicians in a Socialist country don't. Those who have private insurance, in a country with universal healthcare don't.

[J.L.C.]

Pivot..can you answer the question or not?

It's not a pivot.

If it's going to claim communism had never worked, one should be able to state where (and when) communism has been the system of government in practice.

[Dave22reborn]

They were socialists. LMAO I get that this is very confusing for you, Dave. Take some time to learn what the words mean.

Is this a serious question?

LMAO Dave

How are blacks oppressed by whites? Don't base your answer on feels, use facts Mr. PhD.

[killnazis4fun]

How are blacks oppressed by whites? Don't base your answer on feels, use facts Mr. PhD.

Read your own posts about blacks from the pov of a black guy, mr. nazi cop. Go look at the people you arrest. Go look at how you treat blacks vs whites. Go look at the economic data on blacks in America. And take one fuking look at the history books and the insane injustice.

[Dave22reborn]

Pivot..can you answer the question or not?

This is where Mr. Autism is gonna try and be clever, and of course it'll backfire, and then he'll just stick with tranny and covid threads.

[Dave22reborn]

Read your own posts about blacks from the pov of a black guy, mr. nazi cop.

So once again, you can't show how they're oppressed by white people?

[Paul Kreul]

They were socialists. LMAO I get that this is very confusing for you, Dave. Take some time to learn what the words mean.

Is this a serious question?

LMAO Dave

Stalin was not a socialist, guy was a dictator. No country has ever tried real socialism, for good reason. Lenin tried to implement Marxist Socialism, but he was a dying man..he even stated, “I don’t care who is put in charge to finish what was started, just don’t let it be Stalin”..and guess who murdered everyone in his way & took control??

[killnazis4fun]

They didn't socialist their way out of poverty. We gave them access to a vast capitalist marketplace for mutual welfare and benefit.

They did actually. The reforms improved it further.

[killnazis4fun]

Stalin was not a socialist, guy was a dictator. No country has ever tried real socialism, for good reason. Lenin tried to implement Marxist Socialism, but he was a dying man..he even stated, “I don’t care who is put in charge to finish what was started, just don’t let it be Stalin”..and guess who murdered everyone in his way & took control??

Stalin was not a socialist? LMAO he was the first to ever create a socialist state.

[killnazis4fun]

So once again, you can't show how they're oppressed by white people?

There is an extensive body of literature on this. GOOGLE SEARCH "STRUCTURAL RACISM" OR "SYSTEMIC RACISM" OR LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OPPRESSION OF BLACKS IN AMERICA.

[J.L.C.]

Stalin was not a socialist, guy was a dictator. No country has ever tried real socialism, for good reason. Lenin tried to implement Marxist Socialism, but he was a dying man..he even stated, “I don’t care who is put in charge to finish what was started, just don’t let it be Stalin”..and guess who murdered everyone in his way & took control??

Marxist Socialism?

"Marx's concept of socialism follows from his concept of man. It should be clear by now that according to this concept, socialism is not a society of regimented, automatized individuals, regardless of whether there is equality of income or not, and regardless of whether they are well fed and well clad. It is not a society in which the individual is subordinated to the state, to the machine, to the bureaucracy. Even if the state as an "abstract capitalist" were the employer, even if "the entire social capital were united in the hands either of a single capitalist or a single capitalist corporation," [89] this would not be socialism. In fact, as Marx says quite clearly in the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, "communism as such is not the aim of human development." What, then, is the aim?"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/fro...1/man/ch06.htm

[Dave22reborn]

There is an extensive body of literature on this. GOOGLE SEARCH "STRUCTURAL RACISM" OR "SYSTEMIC RACISM" OR LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OPPRESSION OF BLACKS IN AMERICA.

So you got nothing? Can't say I'm not surprised.....

[Paul Kreul]

Stalin was not a socialist? LMAO he was the first to ever create a socialist state.

I think you need to look up what Marxist Socialism is & the policies Stalin implemented before you post again..if you don’t wanna get your ass handed to you like you do in every other thread…

[killnazis4fun]

So you got nothing? Can't say I'm not surprised.....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raci...ican_Americans

Start here, Dave.

[killnazis4fun]

I think you need to look up what Marxist Socialism is & the policies Stalin implemented before you post again..if you don’t wanna get your ass handed to you like you do in every other thread…

Is this like your "the stars can't form naturally" thing where you just make up bullshyt and pretend it is real?

[Dave22reborn]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raci...ican_Americans

Start here, Dave.

Present day, how are we oppressing them?

[killnazis4fun]

Present day, how are we oppressing them?

Scroll to the present day part lmao

[Paul Kreul]

Is this like your "the stars can't form naturally" thing where you just make up bullshyt and pretend it is real?

This is where as per usual you display your complete lack of understanding of reality..kinda like how you did with Solar nebulas...but let's see how incompetent you are once again..

[GreatOldOne]

They did actually. The reforms improved it further.

Whatever it is you think they did with their socialism, none of it would have happened without our normalizing trade relations with them and letting them into the WTO. Because that's how they got so much more money than they previously had to spend on domestic programs.

...which is the extension of neoliberal principles on our part, and many others...which is to improve the human condition through allowing more trade to create the profits needed for social programs.

[Kraken]

There is an extensive body of literature on this. GOOGLE SEARCH "STRUCTURAL RACISM" OR "SYSTEMIC RACISM" OR LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OPPRESSION OF BLACKS IN AMERICA.

That propaganda came from the book I recommended earlier. The book is called Black Power; politics of liberation. You claim to be so educated, but you didn't even know where that rhetoric came from. It's since been debunked over and over again.

You had no idea that you were parroting, sometimes Word for Word, propaganda in that book. It was like the handbook for the Black Panthers. Lol

[killnazis4fun]

Whatever it is you think they did with their socialism, none of it would have happened without our normalizing trade relations with them and letting them into the WTO. Because that's how they got so much more money than they previously had to spend on domestic programs.

...which is the extension of neoliberal principles on our part, and many others...which is to improve the human condition through allowing more trade to create the profits needed for social programs.

Mao had impressive metrics on literacy and poverty prior to the WTO stuff. It was just stagnating toward the end of his rule, and they realized they could do better with reforms. Social programs are not generated by profits. They are generated by state expenditures.

[killnazis4fun]

That propaganda came from the book I recommended earlier. The book is called Black Power; politics of liberation. You claim to be so educated, but you didn't even know where that rhetoric came from. It's since been debunked over and over again.

You had no idea that you were parroting, sometimes Word for Word, propaganda in that book

Oh damn. I didn't know the history of slavery, racist policing, segregation, redlining, etc has been debooonked. Thanks.

You're the one who parrots bullshyt word for word from The Black Book of Communism lmfao. Tell me more about how Stalin killed 60 gorillion and vuvuzela and bread lines and goolag. Ask me if I even Solzhenitsyn.

[Dave22reborn]

Scroll to the present day part lmao

Showing isolated incidents, like Ferguson, which was actually justified, to try and prove that they're oppressed?

[Kraken]

Wincel getting rekt as usual

[Paul Kreul]

Marxist Socialism?

"Marx's concept of socialism follows from his concept of man. It should be clear by now that according to this concept, socialism is not a society of regimented, automatized individuals, regardless of whether there is equality of income or not, and regardless of whether they are well fed and well clad. It is not a society in which the individual is subordinated to the state, to the machine, to the bureaucracy. Even if the state as an "abstract capitalist" were the employer, even if "the entire social capital were united in the hands either of a single capitalist or a single capitalist corporation," [89] this would not be socialism. In fact, as Marx says quite clearly in the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts, "communism as such is not the aim of human development." What, then, is the aim?"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/fro...1/man/ch06.htm

Look, I'll discuss with Wincel or pretty much any other Liberal here, but I'd appreciate it if you don't quote me anymore, really don't care for the way you engage, mostly trying to pivot and lie. Thanks

[Dave22reborn]

Wincel getting rekt as usual

Hey bro, he's got a PHD......

[killnazis4fun]

Showing isolated incidents, like Ferguson, which was actually justified, to try and prove that they're oppressed?

2 s of googling

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10...aff.2021.01394

I mean your party is literally disenfranchising tons of blacks as we speak while you ask how they are oppressed lmao. Just hilarious.

[killnazis4fun]

Look, I'll discuss with Wincel or pretty much any other Liberal here, but I'd appreciate it if you don't quote me anymore, really don't care for the way you engage, mostly trying to pivot and lie. Thanks

lmfao projection much?

You're out here arguing Stalin wasn't a socialist. I mean ok if that's your definition. But then what IS a socialist?