Communism failed in Venezuela, so why do leftists think

[BeachPro11]

Ah, i see now. The commie just exposed himself. I didn’t want to rush to conclusions on your persistence in defining communism, but now I’m sure of it. So whose alt is this? Probably one of the commies that was previously banned for being, well, a commie.

Wincel.

[J.L.C.]

Ah, i see now. The commie just exposed himself. I didn’t want to rush to conclusions on your persistence in defining communism, but now I’m sure of it. So whose alt is this? Probably one of the commies that was previously banned for being, well, a commie.

Great rebuttal. Name calling is based.

[killnazis4fun]

Ah, i see now. The commie just exposed himself. I didn’t want to rush to conclusions on your persistence in defining communism, but now I’m sure of it. So whose alt is this? Probably one of the commies that was previously banned for being, well, a commie.

Nothing gets by you, Sherlock.

[Paul Kreul]

BBBBUT COMMUNISM FAILED IN VUVUZELA


No, retard. The US has been fuking with Maduro's economy nonstop to make it fail because they want Exxon to come in and take the oil. The US has tried and failed twice to carry out a coup. You have zero understanding of geopolitics.

"Communism" is not even a real thing yet. Socialism is a model, and it does work and has worked. It is working in China right now. There is such a thing as market socialism. Communism is an ultimate philosophical goal socialists have, but it is unlikely to ever be realized. People also get way too hung up on "isms" without understanding the fundamental criticism of the concentration of power and management of economy. The US system has already used many "socialist" actions to rescue its system from destruction multiple times. It's a fking joke at this point. When you argue in defense of "capitalism", what you are really defending is neoliberal imperialist hegemony. You want Russia, China, Venezuela, etc to all collapse and bow to your system while you plunder their resources and rape and exploit their people.

Don't be mad when these people don't go along with it and literally kill you one day for hoarding all the wealth and resources of the planet. America is 4% of the Earth, and something like 0.5% of that 4% controls most of the wealth and resources of the Earth by legal title, defended at gunpoint by the most powerful military in human history. It is an empire. And it will be brought to its knees.

China is communist in name only. It is run on capitalism & is rapidly moving towards corporatism.
Dum dum posting from moms basement that has never traveled anywhere outside his hometown, espíritu fuking China thinks he has an understanding of how their economy is run.

Just lol. What a fukin dork

Communist dictatorship was installed by force, not by choice in China dipchit

[Kraken]

"Marx and Ingles never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, devoted, slandered, traduce them, and in the use of these methods, their followers are not less expert.” Mises

[J.L.C.]

"Marx and Ingles never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, devoted, slandered, traduce them, and in the use of these methods, their followers are not less expert.” Mises

Like this?

Ah, i see now. The commie just exposed himself. I didn’t want to rush to conclusions on your persistence in defining communism, but now I’m sure of it. So whose alt is this? Probably one of the commies that was previously banned for being, well, a commie.

[killnazis4fun]

Anyway, this fixation on "isms" isn't productive. Is Singapore communist? Is it capitalist? Does it matter? What ultimately matters is policies that work to alleviate the poverty and suffering of ordinary people. Concrete measures like education, life expectancy, access to clean water and food, healthcare, peace and security, and gainful employment ultimately measure the success of a state, not rhetoric or idealism.

What America has been doing for the last 30 years isn't working. We are moving backwards. In fact, our political system is strained and nearing collapse.

[Paul Kreul]

Like this?

You mean stating that is factual? Wincel being banned over & over again creating endless amounts of alts?

Like that..?

[Kraken]

Anyway, this fixation on "isms" isn't productive. Is Singapore communist? Is it capitalist? Does it matter? What ultimately matters is policies that work to alleviate the poverty and suffering of ordinary people. Concrete measures like education, life expectancy, access to clean water and food, healthcare, peace and security, and gainful employment ultimately measure the success of a state, not rhetoric or idealism.

What America has been doing for the last 30 years isn't working. We are moving backwards. In fact, our political system is strained and nearing collapse.

So let me get this straight. The farther we move from capitalism, the worse things get. Got it.

[GreatOldOne]

People on the left who are straight up commies are often taken in by the cult of personality of the major leaders. They have a lot of black and white thinking. They're unhappy about the government for various reasons and think it must be replaced.

They hear everyone will contribute what they can and they'll get what they need. That sounds great.

It just doesn't work and they don't appreciate how the ability to pursue happiness in a system like our own...which they currently enjoy...requires enshrined freedoms which will be quickly discarded in the system they want to promote.

[killnazis4fun]

So let me get this straight. The farther we move from capitalism, the worse things get. Got it.

When America was largely in line with your vision for a state, it suffered a total depression, deflation, and economic collapse.

[Paul Kreul]

Anyway, this fixation on "isms" isn't productive. Is Singapore communist? Is it capitalist? Does it matter? What ultimately matters is policies that work to alleviate the poverty and suffering of ordinary people. Concrete measures like education, life expectancy, access to clean water and food, healthcare, peace and security, and gainful employment ultimately measure the success of a state, not rhetoric or idealism.

What America has been doing isn't working. We are moving backwards.

All those can be attained under any form of government, & yes, all forms of government should be striving for those, but communism fails to deliver that over & over again.

Let’s remember Mao won the civil war because of the Soviet invasion of Manchria. That is where the base industries of the Imperial Japanese Army were located at--all undamaged. Stalin gave it all intact to Moa

10 years of bloody civil war--including the 4 years AFTER Stalin handing Manchuria to Mao. Millions dead--and true to form of socialism, that was just the start

[Kraken]

When America was largely in line with your vision for a state, it suffered a total depression, deflation, and economic collapse.

So much arrogance you aren’t even embarrassed to showcase how uneducated you are. Anyone with a clue will read this and immediately see you might not have even graduated high school. If you did, it was a terrible school. Even my 16 year old knows how stupid this is.

[killnazis4fun]

All those can be attained under any form of government, & yes, all forms of government should be striving for those, but communism fails to deliver that over & over again.

Let’s remember Mao won the civil war because of the Soviet invasion of Manchria. That is where the base industries of the Imperial Japanese Army were located at--all undamaged. Stalin gave it all intact to Moa

10 years of bloody civil war--including the 4 years AFTER Stalin handing Manchuria to Mao. Millions dead--and true to form of socialism, that was just the start

China has brought 850 million people out of poverty and risen to be the largest economy on Earth. This was under the leadership of the Communist Party China, using the ideology of socialism with Chinese characteristics, a form of market socialism. You can bitch and moan all day long, but you can't take this achievement from them. And they did it without putting 800+ bases overseas and spending 1 trillion dollars on a military to coerce and exploit other countries.

[killnazis4fun]

So much arrogance you aren’t even embarrassed to showcase how uneducated you are. Anyone with a clue will read this and immediately see you might not have even graduated high school. If you did, it was a terrible school. Even my 16 year old knows how stupid this is.

You should read about the great depression then. Maybe even read what your prophet, Friedman, said about it. You should also go look at how America escaped that situation.

AuStRiAn sChOoL because math is hard. lmfao

[J.L.C.]

You mean stating that is factual? Wincel being banned over & over again creating endless amounts of alts?

Like that..?

Kraken said wincel was banned for being a commie.

[Paul Kreul]

China has brought 850 million people out of poverty and risen to be the largest economy on Earth. This was under the leadership of the Communist Party China, using the ideology of socialism with Chinese characteristics, a form of market socialism. You can bitch and moan all day long, but you can't take this achievement from them. And they did it without putting 800+ bases overseas and spending 1 trillion dollars on a military to coerce and exploit other countries.

None of that is actually true, it’s amazing how little you understand about that country.
I’ll just leave it at this..





China is 5000 yrs old

CCCP is 100 yrs old.

Let's see how long it last..oh wait, they have been moving away from communism towards capitalism for over 50 yrs now.

[GreatOldOne]

China has brought 850 million people out of poverty and risen to be the largest economy on Earth. This was under the leadership of the Communist Party China, using the ideology of socialism with Chinese characteristics, a form of market socialism. You can bitch and moan all day long, but you can't take this achievement from them. And they did it without putting 800+ bases overseas and spending 1 trillion dollars on a military to coerce and exploit other countries.

Their rise from poverty extended from the neoliberal principles that let them into the WTO.

[Paul Kreul]

Kraken said wincel was banned for being a commie.

He is a commie though..

[killnazis4fun]

Their rise from poverty extended from the neoliberal principles that let them into the WTO.

Nah. That's a common American narrative. China has its own system and principles. It isn't using neoliberal principles. If it did, the US wouldn't be so threatened by it. They still teach Marxism all over the place in China, and they still are strongly committed to socialism with Chinese characteristics and to eventually build a strong welfare state.

[Paul Kreul]

Nah. That's a common American narrative. China has its own system and principles. It isn't using neoliberal principles. If it did, the US wouldn't be so threatened by it.

Yea.. it’s own principles..as shown

[J.L.C.]

He is a commie though..

So?

The CCP also pulled the nation out of the opium crisis.

[Fishman15]

Its never worked anywhere. In the end communists are just useless incompetent people that are willing to kill to take from productive portions of society. Thugs that give their criminality the veneer of philosophy

This, can anyone name a country it has worked...ever?

[J.L.C.]

This, can anyone name a country it has worked...ever?

Which countries have been communist rather than socialist dictatorships?

[Dave22reborn]

Apparently, providing some (not even all) of your people with healthcare is Marxist even though literally every developed country on Earth besides the US does it...

I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a knee operation.

[Dave22reborn]

Yes. Socialism isn't. Open a book. Communism literally envisions the eventual abolition of the state. To you, communism is when vuvuzela and bread lines. There is no point explaining it to you if you never bothered to read Marx, Lenin, etc. It's also fun seeing people talk about economics who never took a college econometrics course. Economics has come a long way since the last century, and believe it or not, the Chinese also have economists. Mindblowing! There is zero reason one cannot build a functional welfare state and focus on ending poverty globally, while also adopting the breadth of knowledge about market economics and management from modern business.

So the Soviet Union under Stalin was anti-state?

[killnazis4fun]

I don't feel like waiting an entire year for a knee operation.

Do you think everyone has to wait a year?

[Dave22reborn]

This is literally the dumbest PragerU inspired horseshyt I have ever read. Today, in the US, private individuals own the state and use it as a tool for their will. Blacks were and are oppressed by whites, and btw, in the US, there is no real distinction between the current state and the few private individuals that own everything. Your choices are Wall St shills or Wall St shills.

That one side is backed by Trump and the other is backed by Bloomberg really sums it up. And both serve genocidal imperialism. Useful idiots like you enable their power to continue.

How are blacks oppressed by whites?

[killnazis4fun]

So the Soviet Union under Stalin was anti-state?

They were socialists. LMAO I get that this is very confusing for you, Dave. Take some time to learn what the words mean.

How are blacks oppressed by whites?

Is this a serious question?

LMAO Dave

Dave: How are blacks oppressed?

Also Dave: Blacks are animals that need to be removed from society.

[Paul Kreul]

Which countries have been communist rather than socialist dictatorships?

Pivot..can you answer the question or not?