Starting to think God exists.

[AnkleHurtsMane]

Been having an epiphany. Not sure how to put into words.

[MarioMiami305]

fake fairy tales from goat fckers. lol @ that fairy tales

[Voidgaze]

Hello, my Son.

[AnkleHurtsMane]

Jesus was a jew, not a cholo and dinger

[4everalone]

If god doesnt exist morality doesnt exist

Everything is then subjective & p3dophilia is only wrong because society says so.
In reality atheists do not believe in morality what so ever.
«It like feels bad to like hurt others due to like evolution»
Makes sense not srs

Anyone that believes in morals is a believer no matter what they tell you.

[AnkleHurtsMane]

p3dophilia is only wrong because society says so.

shoo, satan

[Voidgaze]

Jesus was a jew, not a cholo and dinger

I will forgive this transgression. Because I am love.

[buwbs]

future tech can time travel indefinitely

[baldbrah]

If god doesnt exist morality doesnt exist

Everything is then subjective & p3dophilia is only wrong because society says so.
In reality atheists do not believe in morality what so ever.
«It like feels bad to like hurt others due to like evolution»
Makes sense not srs

Anyone that believes in morals is a believer no matter what they tell you.

Yes because if you are an atheist historically some religitard would murder you.

[Kawhilights]

If god doesnt exist morality doesnt exist

Everything is then subjective & p3dophilia is only wrong because society says so.
In reality atheists do not believe in morality what so ever.
«It like feels bad to like hurt others due to like evolution»
Makes sense not srs

Anyone that believes in morals is a believer no matter what they tell you.

Dogmatic statements like this are what make a lot of people abhor religion. You speak as if your religion is objectively real, then you tie in an argument that only makes sense in your biased mind that without religion there aren’t morals. Cherry on top is you claim that anyone who is smart enough to have morals (plenty of us) without an old Hebrew book telling us what they are must believe in your version of god, or a god at all.

[GuineaDago585]

Same. I was raised in an atheist household because even though my grandparents were strong Catholics, my dad was completely non-religious, even embraced some satanic chit (he was in a metal band when I was young srs). The concept of God was ridiculed in my home growing up. But as I get older, I enjoy hearing about Christ. I’m actually listening to an audiobook of The Bible right now at work (srs). The lessons are valuable, if nothing else.

[skunkshark]

Dogmatic statements like this are what make a lot of people abhor religion. You speak as if your religion is objectively real, then you tie in an argument that only makes sense in your biased mind that without religion there aren’t morals. Cherry on top is you claim that anyone who is smart enough to have morals (plenty of us) without an old Hebrew book telling us what they are must believe in your version of god, or a god at all.

Make an argument for an objective right and wrong without God, then.

[AnkleHurtsMane]

Same. I was raised in an atheist household because even though my grandparents were strong Catholics, my dad was completely non-religious, even embraced some satanic chit (he was in a metal band when I was young srs). The concept of God was ridiculed in my home growing up. But as I get older, I enjoy hearing about Christ. I’m actually listening to an audiobook of The Bible right now at work (srs). The lessons are valuable, if nothing else.

Yea my dad was atheist too. I think it has to do with a bunch of people in the church being fake. I think it has more to do with hating "christians" rather than christianity itself. There is a bible verse where it says demons are the most abundant around fellowship. I went through that period of hating christians myself the past 10 years. Now i'm realizing the Bible has invaluable lessons.

[skunkshark]

Yea my dad was atheist too. I think it has to do with a bunch of people in the church being fake. I think it has more to do with hating "christians" rather than christianity itself. There is a bible verse where it says demons are the most abundant around fellowship. I went through that period of hating christians myself the past 10 years. Now i'm realizing the Bible is invaluable lessons.

When you actually read the bible, even just the new testament which is a pretty short read, you realize all the people who hate on it have never given it even one honest read through. They basically do the same with the bible that the media does with headlines and "studies".

[Sevenlionz]

Make an argument for an objective right and wrong without God, then.

Nothing is objectively right or wrong that’s the thing

Very few minds are ever able to comprehend this though.

Everything is just particles vibrating and colliding. Right, wrong, morality, meaning etc only come into subjective being when those particles come together enough to create consciousness/awareness. Then we ascribe meaning

Everything just IS

[skunkshark]

Nothing is objectively right or wrong that’s the thing

Excluding this statement, right?

[resoog]

Excluding this statement, right?

[Sevenlionz]

Excluding this statement, right?

My statement only has meaning because of language, which we give meaning to, and your mind interprets

But it has no inherent meaning

[eddiehaskell]

My statement only has meaning because of language, which we give meaning to, and your mind interprets

But it has no inherent meaning

sounds pretty objective

[Sevenlionz]

sounds pretty objective

Would you say what I said is objectively true or subjective?

[skunkshark]

Would you say what I said is objectively true or subjective?

It's objectively false - in the same way that cutting off a teenager's genitals is objectively wrong. No one actually believes there's no right or wrong.

[Sevenlionz]

It's objectively false - in the same way that cutting off a teenager's genitals is objectively wrong. No one actually believes there's no right or wrong.

You asked someone to make an argument for objective right and wrong but without using God, but you’re saying nobody could actually believe there is no right and wrong. What about someone with zero exposure to anything about God?

[skunkshark]

You asked someone to make an argument for objective right and wrong but without using God, but you’re saying nobody could actually believe there is no right and wrong.

Well, yeah. My point is that any such argument would fail - like yours which contradicts itself in the very first statement.

What about someone with zero exposure to anything about God?

There is no such person.

Spoiler!

Romans 1:20

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

[Sevenlionz]

For the record I went to a Christian private school for 10 years, went through all the phases of believing / not believing in God etc, and I do believe. But with much more depth/understanding now than just simple church /bible that most religious people do

[Sevenlionz]

Well, yeah. My point is that any such argument would fail - like yours which contradicts itself in the very first statement.



There is no such person.

Spoiler!

Well then it’s impossible to argue against it purely because of your belief, same could be said by anybody who believes another religion

[Maestro]

Well, yeah. My point is that any such argument would fail - like yours which contradicts itself in the very first statement.



There is no such person.

Spoiler!

so do you think that tribe living on that secluded island off the coast of India has read the bible and knows about jesus?

[OsPerez1996]

Love this back and forth.

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Open Questions:


Doesn't this discourse "bottom out" upon Faith?

(Let's say there Is God) Wouldn't humans looking to understand be like Ants looking to mentally understand the complexity of (human/life) of evolutionary "societal/social/reality(+)" structure?

Won't we all see when physical death occurs?

Is this discourse even fruitful?

Is not God a deeply personal, relation?

(( ie The Abolute Living Of: I Am My Own Church : Cast Beam Out My Own Eye : Shine Light Upon Self : I Am My Own Witness etc. ))

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Openly would love to hear responses from other men.

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Like Sevenlionz; Been through many phases | All Out + All In on God etc in the seeking of Living Truth.

At this point I choose Faith(+ lead a virtuous existence) due to the Carnal + Boundless state of human life + this reality. ( & the ephemerality of the moment!)

Experiencing that this life is truly the shadow of death.

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What say you all Gentlemen on the above?

[skunkshark]

Well then it’s impossible to argue against it purely because of your belief, same could be said by anybody who believes another religion

From a purely logical perspective you don't (immediately) need the God of the bible to argue objective reality, right, wrong, etc. You need a god with the infinite, uncreated, perfect attributes of the God of the bible. In other words, the objective truth argument is for Atheism / Materialism versus Christianity not Islam versus Christianity.

so do you think that tribe living on that secluded island off the coast of India has read the bible and knows about jesus?

Paul's point in that verse is that the nature of God is evident without anyone telling you so, but you can be the judge of the rest of the chapter:

Spoiler!

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Basically the misc translation is that if you are walking around the Earth thinking it's here for no reason and that there is no right or wrong then you are a bonafide dumbazz and if you act like you've got an animal's brain for long enough God will give you one.

(example result)

Spoiler!

[Maestro]

Paul's point in that verse is that the nature of God is evident without anyone telling you so, but you can be the judge of the rest of the chapter:

Well, yeah, i'm sure they worship "A" god, just not necessarily the one of the christian faith....which still makes them bound for hell becaue they're worshiping a "false prophet"

[swordplay76]

He does mane.

I had an epiphany as well or something and got blessed at a local parish over a year ago.