Where do you rank Shawn Michaels in all time best wrestlers list?

[robreynolds1234]

One of my favorite wrestlers of all time, I enjoyed his run after 2002 a lot more...cool gimmick, very good inside the ring, lots of good matches, lots of feuds, very good in stoyline selling, very good at telling a story inside a ring...was a cool dude all round...there is a reason why he is called Mr. Wrestlemania...main evented lots of PPV's....highly ranked...

I am ranking him at no.6 in all time best wrestlers list.

[Murph0408]

I have him right next to Taker and Flair at the top of tier 2, you can rank those 3 guys however you want. Shawn's an all-timer, especially after his second act post-2002. Honestly I think both Taker and Flair would point at Shawn and say he's better than them in a heartbeat.

[squat_blaster]

HBK falls 8-10 after:

Hogan
Flair
Bruno
Austin
Rock
Warrior
Macho Man
Taker

My only knock on HBK is he lacked drawing power. Been to many shows when HBK was in his prime as champ and only half filled arenas when 1-7 above were not on the card.

[robreynolds1234]

I have him right next to Taker and Flair at the top of tier 2, you can rank those 3 guys however you want. Shawn's an all-timer, especially after his second act post-2002. Honestly I think both Taker and Flair would point at Shawn and say he's better than them in a heartbeat.

Tier 2 is the best tier for HBK. Let's see if someone puts them on Tier 1 and what reason they have for it. I won't be suprised though. Ofcourse I put him in Tier 2 and ranked at no.6 in all time, but in terms of favoritism he is my top 3 of all time.

[robreynolds1234]

HBK falls 8-10 after:

Hogan
Flair
Bruno
Austin
Rock
Warrior
Macho Man
Taker

My only knock on HBK is he lacked drawing power. Been to many shows when HBK was in his prime as champ and only half filled arenas when 1-7 above were not on the card.

Ok, but no John Cena in the top 7? It's not a must but debatable. I know wrestlers like Ultimate Warrior and Bruno Sammartino were very popular, but I don't think they have enough matches or enough good matches to be considered for the top 7. But again each to their own. Everyone has a different opinion as to why someone deserves to be a highly ranked wrestler.

[drakkarman]

Ok, but no John Cena in the top 7? It's not a must but debatable. I know wrestlers like Ultimate Warrior and Bruno Sammartino were very popular, but I don't think they have enough matches or enough good matches to be considered for the top 7. But again each to their own. Everyone has a different opinion as to why someone deserves to be a highly ranked wrestler.

alot of people dont like john cena he was pushed for like 14 years on raw and the ppvs it got boring & lame fast .looking though the raws over the years when cena came on the scene it got lame. john cena is the pg era plus its like what they been doing with roman they forcibly keep pushing
him on the fans . then those fans grow up into adults and they say out of not knowing any better say hes a top 10 guy

[robreynolds1234]

alot of people dont like john cena he was pushed for like 14 years on raw and the ppvs it got boring & lame fast .looking though the raws over the years when cena came on the scene it got lame. john cena is the pg era plus its like what they been doing with roman they forcibly keep pushing
him on the fans . then those fans grow up into adults and they say out of not knowing any better say hes a top 10 guy

There was a reason why he stayed on the top for a long period, because he was the best choice, at least we can say for one show (which was the main show), so obviously he main evented nearly every PPV also in that time period. Chris Benoit and Eddie Guerrero died, Kurt Angle left, Brock Lesnar left, Goldberg left, The Undertaker stopped appearing regularly...that left a big gap for WWE to fill. Yeah sure he was kind of stealing the spotlight from HHH and HBK (but they already had enough and didn't need any more pushing to stay important)....it was just Batista and Randy Orton getting effected...but you could switch them between either of the shows.

So who else would be the face of your company in that time period? Surely WWE could not count on someone like Edge, CM Punk and Jeff Hardy to do that, so it was always going to be John Cena. He wasn't forced on fans all the time, but yeah at times it did become kind of boring. But his achievements and dedication to WWE kind of puts him in top 5 best wrestlers of all time for me.

Roman Reigns felt like forced when was a babyface, but as a heel he hardly appeared on television and skipped a lot of PPV's..so he's not like that.

[squat_blaster]

Bruno Sammartino were very popular, but I don't think they have enough matches or enough good matches to be considered for the top 7.

Are you aware Bruno has sold out MSG more times than anyone else? A search shows he sold out MSG 188 times over 8 years. Not to mention holds the record for longest title reign. Opinions aside, no one holds a candle Bruno. Do an internet search on Bruno and let me know if you still feel the same way.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com...ible-to-763354

[ChunkBuster]

Just above Bret Hart.

[robreynolds1234]

Are you aware Bruno has sold out MSG more times than anyone else? A search shows he sold out MSG 188 times over 8 years. Not to mention holds the record for longest title reign. Opinions aside, no one holds a candle Bruno. Do an internet search on Bruno and let me know if you still feel the same way.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com...ible-to-763354

Ok I will read up on Bruno Sammartino. Maybe I am missing out on something (although I do watch old stuff) because his last match in WWE was in August 1987 (and I was born in 1988)...I will check out anyways...

[robreynolds1234]

Just above Bret Hart.

Same like me...Shawn Michaels at no.6 and Bret Hart at no.7.

[Murph0408]

HBK falls 8-10 after:

Hogan
Flair
Bruno
Austin
Rock
Warrior
Macho Man
Taker

My only knock on HBK is he lacked drawing power. Been to many shows when HBK was in his prime as champ and only half filled arenas when 1-7 above were not on the card.

i dunno how you make it about drawing power and not have Cena up there. Savage and Warrior didn't draw like Cena. Macho's great but was he ever even the top guy really? Cena was the entire business for a decade. I don't know how you don't have Cena in the top 4-5, never mind top 10

[drakkarman]

i dunno how you make it about drawing power and not have Cena up there. Savage and Warrior didn't draw like Cena. Macho's great but was he ever even the top guy really? Cena was the entire business for a decade. I don't know how you don't have Cena in the top 4-5, never mind top 10

cena sucks though that lame wigger gimmick was for children and made the product worse over time. the shows got more lame and unfunny as time went on under his stupid run

[JUSA]

Great worker - perhaps the very best overall, above average promo (if not well above average), good look.

What works against Shawn: He was a terrible draw, did not fully connect with the fans prior to his retirement (as a face), his drug issues, his toxic ego and unwillingness to work with people or cooperate with them in programs, and post-retirement return he got saddled with that garbage DX comedy nonsense and was positioned as a second-banana to HHH.

His best work was probably post retirement, free of drug issues, willing to work with many guys and have good programs (even do occasional jobs) but physically he looked better pumped and juiced up before coming back.

Top 20 off his work alone? Maybe. Probably. Hard to rate him above others who weren't fuked 1/2 their career by pain pills, ego maniacs who held back an entire generation of talent or who actually connected with fans and drew big.

[cheerupemokid]

Just above Bret Hart.

Just behind Bret Hart for me. And I considered penalizing him because every annoying wrestler today that just wants to do athletic high spots that look faker than Megan Fox’s new face was influenced by him while every awesome wrestler today was more influenced by Bret Hart.

But the stupidity of modern wrestlers isn’t his fault. Still I will argue to the end of time that Bret Hart is better than him.

[Murph0408]

Just behind Bret Hart for me. And I considered penalizing him because every annoying wrestler today that just wants to do athletic high spots that look faker than Megan Fox’s new face was influenced by him while every awesome wrestler today was more influenced by Bret Hart.

But the stupidity of modern wrestlers isn’t his fault. Still I will argue to the end of time that Bret Hart is better than him.

bret was a drag as a top babyface too though. both of them were way better with attitude as heels in the 90s.

Shawn's whole second act was better than a lot of stuff Bret did. And at that point, you could argue he nailed it as a babyface people could get behind. His stuff with Angle, Jericho, Taker. Bret didn't have too many feuds like that at such a high level. I have HBK ahead of Bret by a decent margin

[Deathstroke]

Ric flair
Stone cold
Macho man
Edge
Bret hart
Hulk hogan
Brock Lesnar
The undertaker
Andre the giant
Terry funk
Bryan Danielson
Triple h
Harley race
Shawn Michaels
Goldust

Top 15

[icetrauma]

I have him right next to Taker and Flair at the top of tier 2, you can rank those 3 guys however you want. Shawn's an all-timer, especially after his second act post-2002. Honestly I think both Taker and Flair would point at Shawn and say he's better than them in a heartbeat.

Stone Cold did a quick fire questions with Flair. He asked Flair who the best performer was and without hesitation he said "Shawn Michaels"

[Murph0408]

Stone Cold did a quick fire questions with Flair. He asked Flair who the best performer was and without hesitation he said "Shawn Michaels"

right and i agree with him. but the flair legacy is hard to deny, so if somebody has him over HBK i don't blame them. flair's more of a recognizable character in pop culture for example. same with undertaker.

it's hard to rank all these guys. are we talking in-ring skills, are we talking money made. "draw" or attention to their primes. longevity. etc.

[Deathstroke]

Stone Cold did a quick fire questions with Flair. He asked Flair who the best performer was and without hesitation he said "Shawn Michaels"

Love flair but I disagree with him right there. He himself was/is not Hbk. I understand he has respect for him, WM24 was a beautiful storyline. All respect Naitch was drinking a lot too. I believe he’s incorrect in his rankings.

[BrickEX]

Post 1980, top 5.

[ChunkBuster]

Just behind Bret Hart for me. And I considered penalizing him because every annoying wrestler today that just wants to do athletic high spots that look faker than Megan Fox’s new face was influenced by him while every awesome wrestler today was more influenced by Bret Hart.

But the stupidity of modern wrestlers isn’t his fault. Still I will argue to the end of time that Bret Hart is better than him.

I’d have Bret above Hbk if hbk didnt have his comeback run. But the comeback run had great matches, moments and feuds.

Its a shame wcw didnt know what to do with Bret.

[yieldtonothing]

hbk the most overrated to ever do it. lol when he was champ, kennedy was getting his chit pushed in on a weekly basis by a geriatric hollywood hogan just lmao.

hbk the godfather of the superkick party. hbk the gay stripper. hbk the pilled up crybaby pussy.

[robreynolds1234]

Ric flair
Stone cold
Macho man
Edge
Bret hart
Hulk hogan
Brock Lesnar
The undertaker
Andre the giant
Terry funk
Bryan Danielson
Triple h
Harley race
Shawn Michaels
Goldust

Top 15

Looks fine. But no John Cena?

[wings_unhinged]

Probably in the top 5 for me. Under Austin, Hogan, Rock, and Flair. He was the mid-90s megastar with Bret, but he had qualities Bret didn't.

[EidFnatic]

i dunno how you make it about drawing power and not have Cena up there. Savage and Warrior didn't draw like Cena. Macho's great but was he ever even the top guy really? Cena was the entire business for a decade. I don't know how you don't have Cena in the top 4-5, never mind top 10

Cena would have been a jobber during the golden era.

[EidFnatic]

Stone Cold did a quick fire questions with Flair. He asked Flair who the best performer was and without hesitation he said "Shawn Michaels"

So?

[BrickEX]

When are you going to do this thread for Savage?

[Evil_D]

bret was a drag as a top babyface too though. both of them were way better with attitude as heels in the 90s.

Shawn's whole second act was better than a lot of stuff Bret did. And at that point, you could argue he nailed it as a babyface people could get behind. His stuff with Angle, Jericho, Taker. Bret didn't have too many feuds like that at such a high level. I have HBK ahead of Bret by a decent margin

You have to be kidding?
The 'boyhood dream' crap was the reason people cheered Sid to the stratosphere when he beat Shawn at Survivor Series 96 (and smacked that old Mexican he had at ring-side as a bonus).

[robreynolds1234]

When are you going to do this thread for Savage?

In the next round.