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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    He's begging the judge to waive the daily fine as he flails away trying to come up with the money.

    Trump gonna have to sign over his NYC assets to the state.

    Love this for him.
    So, you're OK with the State conducting an irrational, partisan political hit job against someone you don't like... What happens when their next target is someone you do support?

    What happens when businesses start fleeing the radical bullsh*t they just witnessed in New York, before they become the next target?
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    So, you're OK with the State conducting an irrational, partisan political hit job against someone you don't like... What happens when their next target is someone you do support?

    What happens when businesses start fleeing the radical bullsh*t they just witnessed in New York, before they become the next target?
    Note. Conservatives are now against law and order.

    Also, businesses are not going to start fleeing NY LOL.
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Note. Conservatives are now against law and order.

    Also, businesses are not going to start fleeing NY LOL.
    this is false
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Note. Conservatives are now against law and order.
    There was no "law and order" in this fiasco. An AG who's campaign theme was "get Trump", no need for any evidence or a crime. A fraud conviction where NOBODY involved claimed to be defrauded or suffered any losses. A randomly ludicrous judgment.

    Where, exactly, was the "law and order"

    So I'll ask again. What happens when their next target is someone you do support?
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    There was no "law and order" in this fiasco. An AG whose campaign theme was "get Trump", no need for any evidence or a crime. A fraud conviction where NOBODY involved claimed to be defrauded or suffered any losses. A randomly ludicrous judgment.

    Where, exactly, was the "law and order"

    So I'll ask again. What happens when their next target is someone you do support?
    The crimes were that he falsified business records and issued false financial statements. There didn't need to be anyone who claimed to be defrauded or to have suffered losses.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    The crimes were that he falsified business records and issued false financial statements. There didn't need to be anyone who claimed to be defrauded or to have suffered losses.

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    Originally Posted by KINGFABIAN View Post
    I mean Stizztard spent years trying to stop the steal and illegitimately reverse the results with mass fraud, calls to find votes, fake electors but I am sure you and the "Cyber Ninjas" feel justified even while missing a whole chromosome. Compared to all that effort and time you could say it was "curb stomped".
    If you think making a couple threads about fortification is more effort than the fortification itself that tells me miscing is a real challenge for you. Which, in retrospect, i think we all knew already
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    Originally Posted by SillieBazzillie View Post
    Who predicted Trump would get curb stomped in 2020 boyo? Who predicted the blue wave in 2018? Who predicted the red...nothing in 2022?

    Ya bo Sillie, that's who.

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    Who fell for so much over the years? Who wore a mask outdoors? Who believed he would be in jail by now?
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Who fell for so much over the years? Who wore a mask outdoors? Who believed he would be in jail by now?
    Who fell for the Mueller report? Who believed in Russian Collusion? Who believed that Biden would prevent Russia from invading Ukraine?
    How are you still this triggered about covid, Dave? You're a grown man. Literally just take a shot and mask up indoors when cases are high. How is this complicated or hard for you?
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    Originally Posted by OPGenesis View Post
    Note. Conservatives are now against law and order.

    Also, businesses are not going to start fleeing NY LOL.
    They already are. Same with the population, Christ how can someone be so ****ing stupid? Not ignorant, but stupid???
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    They already are. Same with the population, Christ how can someone be so ****ing stupid? Not ignorant, but stupid???

    Says the guy who is scared of a jab and masks.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    The crimes were that he falsified business records and issued false financial statements. There didn't need to be anyone who claimed to be defrauded or to have suffered losses.
    Giving an opinion of value that is different from a county assessor that doesn't actually know how to assess value other than looking at camps has never been considered falsifying a financial statement, and will never be considered such again. At least not until there's another wealthy real estate investor challenging the communist establishment.
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    If you think making a couple threads about fortification is more effort than the fortification itself that tells me miscing is a real challenge for you. Which, in retrospect, i think we all knew already
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    Giving an opinion of value that is different from a county assessor that doesn't actually know how to assess value other than looking at camps has never been considered falsifying a financial statement, and will never be considered such again. At least not until there's another wealthy real estate investor challenging the communist establishment.
    If it was just the difference between the county assessor and Trump over the value of Maralago you'd have a fair point. There were dozens of examples of misstatements though and a pretty clear pattern.

    It's not impossible that there is a political aspect to this and it's not 100% "fair". But that's life. If you put yourself out there you better have your ducks in a row or someone is going to call you on it. Trump being obstinate about everything just makes it worse.
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    You had to spend 8 weeks after election day fortifying the vote to get him in. I think 'curb stomp' means something different to you than to anyone else
    Wasn't sillie big on the Biden Boon? More Nostrasillidamas or nah?
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    If it was just the difference between the county assessor and Trump over the value of Maralago you'd have a fair point. There were dozens of examples of misstatements though and a pretty clear pattern.

    It's not impossible that there is a political aspect to this and it's not 100% "fair". But that's life. If you put yourself out there you better have your ducks in a row or someone is going to call you on it. Trump being obstinate about everything just makes it worse.
    So what real estate investors does the state of NY have next in line to go after the same way they did Trump? Surely there must be a list longer than your arm that have done the exact same thing.
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    A cock op making big claims lol

    “We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers, and yes, I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day,” she added, referring to the Trump Building.



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    So what real estate investors does the state of NY have next in line to go after the same way they did Trump? Surely there must be a list longer than your arm that have done the exact same thing.
    Explain what you mean by "the same way".

    There is nothing special about real estate investing, it's just a business activity, and there are plenty of examples of New York applying their business laws, and specifically the same ones applied to Trump, to other people improperly conducting business in the state.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    The crimes were that he falsified business records and issued false financial statements. There didn't need to be anyone who claimed to be defrauded or to have suffered losses.
    That's not true:
     The term “repeated” as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person.

    https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/executive-law/exc-sect-63/
    The case is about repeated fraud so it must have affected more than one person.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    If it was just the difference between the county assessor and Trump over the value of Maralago you'd have a fair point. There were dozens of examples of misstatements though and a pretty clear pattern.

    It's not impossible that there is a political aspect to this and it's not 100% "fair". But that's life. If you put yourself out there you better have your ducks in a row or someone is going to call you on it. Trump being obstinate about everything just makes it worse.
    If they had evidence of a crime, then they would have charged him in criminal court. They didn't.

    The entire goal was to waste his time and drain him of resources heading in to the 2024 election cycle. They pumped BS charges through civil court, put it in front of a judge who was giddy to charge him millions, and the only way for him to appeal is to pony up the cash.

    Even if trump wins the appeal, it is still draining him of time and resources. Which is the entire point.

    Spare us the "it's not impossible that there is a political aspect to this" nonsense. It is entirely political.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    Explain what you mean by "the same way".

    There is nothing special about real estate investing, it's just a business activity, and there are plenty of examples of New York applying their business laws, and specifically the same ones applied to Trump, to other people improperly conducting business in the state.
    And I'm sure you can provide some examples of this.. can't you 'tard.
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    Originally Posted by Bushmaster View Post
    And I'm sure you can provide some examples of this.. can't you 'tard.
    The examples of AGs running on a platform where they vow to "get" 1 particular person are endless... And after relentlessly pursuing the guy for years, they have nothing. Certainly nothing that would hold up in criminal court. So they bring a novel legal theory to a complicit judge in civil court where they can try to bankrupt the guy.

    Perhaps if you look at some third world countries you can find some examples, but not in the US.
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    Originally Posted by Bushmaster View Post
    And I'm sure you can provide some examples of this.. can't you 'tard.
    My posts are always based in fact, so of course I can.

    Here's a list of cases for you to brush aside because you don't actually care about law and order or truth.

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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    My posts are always based in fact, so of course I can.

    Here's a list of cases for you to brush aside because you don't actually care about law and order or truth.

    https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...t-security.pdf
    1) Trump was never charged in criminal court. He was charged in civil court, because nothing they "had" on him would hold up in criminal court. Everything listed in the document are criminal charges, not civil charges.

    2) I read through the first few pages and none are evenly remotely similar to what trump was accused of doing. Ironically, #1 on the list is exactly what the biden's did with their overseas income from foreign govts... but funny enough, the fbi was more than happy to let the statute of limitations run out on that.
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    Originally Posted by Mckay23 View Post
    That's not true:
    The case is about repeated fraud so it must have affected more than one person.
    Bad loans defraud shareholders because the institution misses interest payments that would otherwise be higher...and also they take on higher risk because the loan isn't backed by the appropriate assets.

    Using fraudulent means to obtain a loan and then paying off the loan on time does not mean everything is fine. It's not fine if someone embezzled money and then repaid it. The crime still occured.
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    I can't wait for this piece of chit to be behind bars
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    Originally Posted by GreatOldOne View Post
    Bad loans defraud shareholders because the institution misses interest payments that would otherwise be higher...and also they take on higher risk because the loan isn't backed by the appropriate assets.

    Using fraudulent means to obtain a loan and then paying off the loan on time does not mean everything is fine. It's not fine if someone embezzled money and then repaid it. The crime still occured.
    The banks testified on behalf of trump that they did their own due diligence and were fine with the terms of the loans. In fact, trump was considered a whale client and most banks would bend over backwards to land him for current and future business.

    So even if trump overvalued properties (debatable), the banks looked into it and based on their own valuation, they were more than happy with the terms of the loan.
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    Originally Posted by MinisterOfLust View Post
    Isn't he a billionaire? Let the fuccer pay or seize everything.

    I can't wait for this piece of chit to be behind bars
    Your hatred of an innocent person knows no bounds. Hopefully you face similar treatment in the future.
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