Alabama Nitrogen Execution

[mtpockets]

I guess it went rougher than expected..


https://www.tmz.com/2024/01/26/alaba...adid=social-tw

[IronCharles]

He selected that means of execution himself. He could have been executed by lethal injection, but the first time they tried to kill him that way, he survived. So he decided that slowly choking to death would be better.

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Bonus points for the fact this guy was tortured to death following an 11-1 jury vote for a life sentence that was then subject to a judicial override that has since been made illegal. So of the 13 people with a say (technically only one had the final say) only two thought he should be executed.

[tripod29]

Good!!! I hope it was the worst pain a human ever endure. Srs, vry srs.

[mtpockets]

Good!!! I hope it was the worst pain a human ever endure. Srs, vry srs.

He probably suffered less than his victim

Inside the house, Elizabeth was ambushed, violently punched, beaten, and bludgeoned, and stabbed over and over again with the six-inch survival knife that Smith and Parker had brought with them. After the crime, two witnesses described how Smith’s hands were “puffed up” or “wrapped and bruised,” evidence that suggested that he had struck many of the blows inflicted on Elizabeth. In addition to countless lacerations and abrasions that she sustained to her body, Elizabeth suffered a total of ten stab wounds—eight to her chest and two to her neck—which proved fatal. Elizabeth’s face was harmed so terribly during the attack that an emergency medical technician at the crime scene, who was a close friend of the Sennett family, commented that he would have never recognized her if he did not already know the identity of the victim.

That Scumbag is no longer on the planet and that's a good thing, POS should have been dealt with long ago and suffered more.

Absolutely, no sympathy here.

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He probably suffered less than his victim




That Scumbag is no longer on the planet and that's a good thing, POS should have been dealt with long ago and suffered more.

Absolutely, no sympathy here.

Hey pockets, with much love and respect just throwing out a different viewpoint. A jury reviewed all of the facts of this case, the facts that perhaps the rest of us just googled today, including the severity of his crime and the impact on the victim and the victim’s family, and after all that, they decided that he should not get the death penalty. The very real fact that his victim suffered horribly shouldn’t give us the right to disregard and undermine basic aspects of the legal system and revert to this eye for an eye free for all.

[4Bertuzzi4]

Hey pockets, with much love and respect just throwing out a different viewpoint. A jury reviewed all of the facts of this case, the facts that perhaps the rest of us just googled today, including the severity of his crime and the impact on the victim and the victim’s family, and after all that, they decided that he should not get the death penalty. The very real fact that his victim suffered horribly shouldn’t give us the right to disregard and undermine basic aspects of the legal system and revert to this eye for an eye free for all.

Grow some stones, boyo. That twisted fck deserved far worse than he received...

[TolerantLactose]

He's in a better place now.

The morgue.

[Mark1T]

Hey pockets, with much love and respect just throwing out a different viewpoint. A jury reviewed all of the facts of this case, the facts that perhaps the rest of us just googled today, including the severity of his crime and the impact on the victim and the victim’s family, and after all that, they decided that he should not get the death penalty. The very real fact that his victim suffered horribly shouldn’t give us the right to disregard and undermine basic aspects of the legal system and revert to this eye for an eye free for all.

He took a life and forever tortured his victim's family, did he not? For murdering someone in cold blood, his death is not exactly disregarding the law. It is partial justice.

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He took a life and forever tortured his victim's family, did he not? For murdering someone in cold blood, his death is not exactly disregarding the law. It is partial justice.

A jury of his peers saw the facts of his case and voted 11-1 to sentence him to life without parole, as the death penalty requires a jury vote due to multiple SCOTUS decisions interpreting the 6th and 8th amendments. The (elected) judge unilaterally overruled the jury, something that was eventually ruled unconstitutional in 2017 and so is no longer allowed anywhere in the country today.

[Karl_Hungus]

The very real fact that his victim suffered horribly shouldn’t give us the right to disregard and undermine basic aspects of the legal system and revert to this eye for an eye free for all.

You act as if the legal system was ignored in favor of some kind of vigilante lynching. His execution was perfectly legal and followed the law...even if you personally don't like it.

TBH, there are exceedingly humane methods of execution if we could simply get over our squeamishness. A guillotine execution would be a bit messy, but it would be 100% effective, instantaneous and likely painless.

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You act as if the legal system was ignored in favor of some kind of vigilante lynching. His execution was perfectly legal and followed the law...even if you personally don't like it.

A statute the judge used that has since been ruled unconstitutional. The entire concept of a jury is to avoid having a judge make a single profound decision, especially when it comes to life and death.

TBH, there are exceedingly humane methods of execution if we could simply get over our squeamishness. A guillotine execution would be a bit messy, but it would be 100% effective, instantaneous and likely painless.

Well, while I like the Guillotine in concept, after an extensive 90 second google search it seems the jury is out on what the head’s experience is like after being removed. Anecdotal evidence shows that there are at least several moments of consciousness post beheading while some studies suggest that a head could spend upwards of two minutes conscious before slipping into unconsciousness. The fact that the brain is proven to keep trying to send signals long after the heart has stopped lends some credence to that.

Not sure how much pain is involved, but I’d consider spending a minute plus aware that I’m just a head, unable to breath, speak, or feel anything below my neck as a bit much.

[Karl_Hungus]

A statute the judge used that has since been ruled unconstitutional. The entire concept of a jury is to avoid having a judge make a single profound decision, especially when it comes to life and death.
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So you are saying his execution was illegal? It is a shame he didn't have you on his defense team.

Well, while I like the Guillotine in concept, after an extensive 90 second google search it seems the jury is out on what the head’s experience is like after being removed. Anecdotal evidence shows that there are at least several moments of consciousness post beheading while some studies suggest that a head could spend upwards of two minutes conscious before slipping into unconsciousness. The fact that the brain is proven to keep trying to send signals long after the heart has stopped lends some credence to that.

Not sure how much pain is involved, but I’d consider spending a minute plus aware that I’m just a head, unable to breath, speak, or feel anything below my neck as a bit much.

Utterly impossible. Consciousness would be lost near instantaneously due to the lack of blood pressure/oxygen. I've personally had vasovagal reactions which caused an immediate blood pressure drop and I lost consciousness within 1-2 seconds. Look at how quickly people lose consciousness when a rear naked choke is applied...and that is with a fully intact head. With a guillotine, there is zero chance that a head would remain alive and conscious for two minutes when separated from the body.

[IronCharles]

Well, while I like the Guillotine in concept, after an extensive 90 second google search it seems the jury is out on what the head’s experience is like after being removed. Anecdotal evidence shows that there are at least several moments of consciousness post beheading while some studies suggest that a head could spend upwards of two minutes conscious before slipping into unconsciousness. The fact that the brain is proven to keep trying to send signals long after the heart has stopped lends some credence to that.

Not sure how much pain is involved, but I’d consider spending a minute plus aware that I’m just a head, unable to breath, speak, or feel anything below my neck as a bit much.

[mtpockets]

Hey pockets, with much love and respect just throwing out a different viewpoint. A jury reviewed all of the facts of this case, the facts that perhaps the rest of us just googled today, including the severity of his crime and the impact on the victim and the victim’s family, and after all that, they decided that he should not get the death penalty. The very real fact that his victim suffered horribly shouldn’t give us the right to disregard and undermine basic aspects of the legal system and revert to this eye for an eye free for all.

I understand your viewpoint and respect your opinion. Here's some amplification on mine.

Personally, I could care less about how we got to this point. I wish that it had been sooner. As far as how he was taken care of doesn't matter much to me either. He could have gotten shanked, hit by a bus or a pack of dingos shredded him. His victim didn't get to spend the rest of her days with 3 hots and a cot, so bye Felicia.

If I were pulling the strings (pun intended) not one penny of tax payers money would be spent on these scumbags, as soon as they were found guilty, I'd toss them a rope and tell them to pick out a tree.

Based on FY 2021 data, the average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Bureau or non-Bureau facility in FY 2021 was $43,836 ($120.10 per day). The average annual COIF for a Federal inmate housed in a Residential Reentry Center for FY 2021 was $37,012 ($101.40 per day).

Some Law abiding citizens live on less. That's wasted money that can be used on someone more deserving.

There is no deterrent to murder these days, this is why we are seeing so much of it imo: a slap on the wrist, 20 years behind bars with 3 hots, a cot and cable isn't working. We need more good old fashioned public hangings to put the word out

As far as him suffering, zero fuks. Not enough in my opinion, his victim got a hell of a lot worse.

Just so there is absolutely no ambiguity, yes, I am pro Death Penalty, you take a life, you lose yours. None of that oh, they were insane bullsh!t either.

Duh, of course they were insane no sane person would commit such atrocities.
Light the fukker up.. Next!

As far as critics saying the nitrogen execution was excruciating, maybe try Helium next time. I heard it was a gas



****I wonder if the "Orange is the new Black" crew will surface to tell me it isn't 3 hots and a cot and how terrible prison is

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So you are saying his execution was illegal? It is a shame he didn't have you on his defense team

No, it was legal at the time in 1989. But a jury did say he should spend his life in prison. That Alabama is bending over backwards to kill him, for a second time no less, regardless of method, is perverse, and it’s not like people clamoring for blood are doing so out of a deep respect for the rule of law. Revenge and justice are not the same thing. And yes, my world view on capital punishment is reflected in my opinion on this. As I really don’t care what someone did, states shouldn’t have the power to administer irreversible punishment to them.

Utterly impossible. Consciousness would be lost near instantaneously due to the lack of blood pressure/oxygen. I've personally had vasovagal reactions which caused an immediate blood pressure drop and I lost consciousness within 1-2 seconds. Look at how quickly people lose consciousness when a rear naked choke is applied...and that is with a fully intact head. With a guillotine, there is zero chance that a head would remain alive and conscious for two minutes when separated from the body.

I really have no idea. It was just an attempt at poking fun at those of us (yes, me included) on the internet who spend a little bit of time on a subject and suddenly know what’s best.

[LtGoose]

He should have just been thrown into a wood chipper honestly. Lol @ being humane to the scum of society.

[Karl_Hungus]

No, it was legal at the time in 1989. But a jury did say he should spend his life in prison. That Alabama is bending over backwards to kill him, for a second time no less, regardless of method, is perverse, and it’s not like people clamoring for blood are doing so out of a deep respect for the rule of law. Revenge and justice are not the same thing. And yes, my world view on capital punishment is reflected in my opinion on this. As I really don’t care what someone did, states shouldn’t have the power to administer irreversible punishment to them.

But the first jury thought he deserved the death sentence. I am not saying that should have any bearing on his ultimate fate given that he got a new trial, but rather it suggests that it isn't a given that reasonable people would find mitigating factors in his crime compelling enough to go with life instead of death...and you are inferring motives to the judge that may or may not be there. To be honest, I would probably agree with you philosophically on the death penalty, and sometimes I think you try to subtly express philosophies/world-views through seemingly objective legalese and micro-points because they are easier to defend. Your world-views are much more interesting however and it would be nice to see you express them sometimes in unfiltered form.

I really have no idea. It was just an attempt at poking fun at those of us (yes, me included) on the internet who spend a little bit of time on a subject and suddenly know what’s best.

I know there have been cases where people have died from breathing gases that displaced oxygen without being aware that they were hypoxic (e.g., helium). The body can sometimes have violent reactions to that (such as seizures) which looks terrible but the person is totally unconscious. I agree with you though...we can't know for sure what somebody experiences because they don't have the luxury of coming back to tell us. It is all educated guesses at best.

[Karl_Hungus]

If I were pulling the strings (pun intended) not one penny of tax payers money would be spent on these scumbags, as soon as they were found guilty, I'd toss them a rope and tell them to pick out a tree.

What if they picked out a little tiny tree? One that was only 6 inches tall? What then?

[mtpockets]

What if they picked out a little tiny tree? One that was only 6 inches tall? What then?

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I know there have been cases where people have died from breathing gases that displaced oxygen without being aware that they were hypoxic (e.g., helium). The body can sometimes have violent reactions to that (such as seizures) which looks terrible but the person is totally unconscious. I agree with you though...we can't know for sure what somebody experiences because they don't have the luxury of coming back to tell us. It is all educated guesses at best.

So from what I have been reading oxygen hypoxia is pretty well understood and can be a humane way for someone who wants to die. What doesn’t seem to be figured out is how to administer it in an effective way to a human who doesn’t want to die. We know how oxygen hypoxia works when you’re not fighting it, so I guess the trick is to enact it in a way the person won’t fight it. I am thinking getting strapped to a gurney tipped him off to what was happening.

[Karl_Hungus]

So from what I have been reading oxygen hypoxia is pretty well understood and can be a humane way for someone who wants to die. What doesn’t seem to be figured out is how to administer it in an effective way to a human who doesn’t want to die. We know how oxygen hypoxia works when you’re not fighting it, so I guess the trick is to enact it in a way the person won’t fight it. I am thinking getting strapped to a gurney tipped him off to what was happening.

That is good point. Apparently the guy was holding his breath which causes the carbon dioxide buildup which produces the very panicked response that the inert gas displacement of oxygen is designed to eliminate.

[kimm4]

Good!!! I hope it was the worst pain a human ever endure. Srs, vry srs.

He probably suffered less than his victim

That Scumbag is no longer on the planet and that's a good thing, POS should have been dealt with long ago and suffered more.

Absolutely, no sympathy here.

These^^

[Bando]

He selected that means of execution himself. He could have been executed by lethal injection, but the first time they tried to kill him that way, he survived. So he decided that slowly choking to death would be better.

I don't get lethal injection and why the results sometimes aren't as expected.

If I had a choice I would say OD on Heroin. Just let me mainline 20$ worth of cheap scag and float out on a cloud of titties.

[mtpockets]

So from what I have been reading oxygen hypoxia is pretty well understood and can be a humane way for someone who wants to die. What doesn’t seem to be figured out is how to administer it in an effective way to a human who doesn’t want to die. We know how oxygen hypoxia works when you’re not fighting it, so I guess the trick is to enact it in a way the person won’t fight it. I am thinking getting strapped to a gurney tipped him off to what was happening.

One of the perks in my career was that I got to ride back seat in fighter jets occasionally. In order to do this I had to maintain my High Altitude indoctrination certification which involved going into a Chamber. During this indoctrination and re-certifications they did several tests so that you can recognize the signs of hypoxia, to do this they simulate the altitude, remove your mask and get you to do some tests.

On my first indoctrination. I didn't really feel any symptoms and was completing a writing task that I thought was going well, the instructor intervened and put the oxygen mask back on me. The task was to write my name, birth date on a pad and a note. What I thought was a great job were scribbles that I couldn't even make out. It was horrendous. I obviously didn't recognize the symptoms.

On the following exercises, I definitely felt the onset enough to know that I need to go back on oxygen. I was bit tingly, a bit dizzy, coordination was definitely impaired and aside from being a bit warm I felt great..

With that said, from my limited experience, I don't think hypoxia would be a bad way to go, depending on how it's done I guess.

I don't know for sure but I think it would be much better than coming to the end of your rope from a tree, pissing and sh!tting yourself while your neck is being broken. Just a guess though.

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I don't get lethal injection and why the results sometimes aren't as expected.

Because companies that make drugs for human euthanasia refuse to sell to prisons and states for the purpose of execution. And medical professionals won’t violate their oath to assist in an execution so the people performing these injections are just typical prison officials.

If I had a choice I would say OD on Heroin. Just let me mainline 20$ worth of cheap scag and float out on a cloud of titties.

I haven’t seen a lot of heroin od’s but I have seen one. Vomiting, convulsions, it was not a peaceful way to go.

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One of the perks in my career was that I got to ride back seat in fighter jets occasionally. In order to do this I had to maintain my High Altitude indoctrination certification which involved going into a Chamber. During this indoctrination and re-certifications they did several tests so that you can recognize the signs of hypoxia, to do this they simulate the altitude, remove your mask and get you to do some tests.

On my first indoctrination. I didn't really feel any symptoms and was completing a writing task that I thought was going well, the instructor intervened and put the oxygen mask back on me. The task was to write my name, birth date on a pad and a note. What I thought was a great job were scribbles that I couldn't even make out. It was horrendous. I obviously didn't recognize the symptoms.

On the following exercises, I definitely felt the onset enough to know that I need to go back on oxygen. I was bit tingly, a bit dizzy, coordination was definitely impaired and aside from being a bit warm I felt great..

Interesting. I too have experienced some in flight dizziness but it was usually caused by cocktails and not necessarily a lack of oxygen.

With that said, from my limited experience, I don't think hypoxia would be a bad way to go, depending on how it's done I guess.

I don't know for sure but I think it would be much better than coming to the end of your rope from a tree, pissing and sh!tting yourself while your neck is being broken. Just a guess though.

If you get the math right with the weight and counterweight in a hanging, you snap the neck disconnecting the spine and nerves, which is instant blackout so painless. But the hypoxia might be a bit easier to be consistent with.

[mtpockets]

Interesting. I too have experienced some in flight dizziness but it was usually caused by cocktails and not necessarily a lack of oxygen.

LMAO... Me too....

If you get the math right with the weight and counterweight in a hanging, you snap the neck disconnecting the spine and nerves, which is instant blackout so painless. But the hypoxia might be a bit easier to be consistent with.

I consider my math to be pretty good but it would be a shame if I miscalculated the rope length and let the fukker bounce a couple of times.

[OldFartTom]

He should have just been thrown into a wood chipper honestly. Lol @ being humane to the scum of society.

I'm not telling any of you what to do in your country (or states) but if it's any interest I don't support the death penalty in my country (or the principle in others).

Not because I don't agree with your thinking above, but because I believe that state killing is just as wrong as individuals killing.

(Except individuals in self defence or use of military force as "self" defence and prevention etc)

[mtpockets]