My company doesn't hire unmarried men into Director, VP, President positions

[N0stradamus]

Not sure if you boyos have ever been involved in the hiring process for senior management level positions, but it's absolutely true that corporations will rarely hire unmarried men into senior leadership positions.


My company recently interviewed a guy for a senior leadership position. After the preliminary meet and greet he was no longer considered for the position as soon as we found out he's unmarried and has no children.


Of course we're not allowed to ask these types of questions in an official interview, so the way we extract this type of information is we have the sexy HR representative give a brief tour of the campus.

While on the tour she'll discreetly say some sh/t like "We're very flexible here. If you ever need to leave a little early to take your kids to soccer practice that's perfectly fine. DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS?"


The poor schmuck answered "Oh no, single, no kids, no commitments. I'm a career-focused guy."

This means that, sadly, unmarried men encounter a glass ceiling in their earning potential in the corporate world. It's not the same issue with women as I've known many unmarried women who held VP roles.


The reason why companies prefer married men with children is because they have something that they're scared to lose if they f/ck up in their job.


Sorry boyos, if you're unmarried with no children, you ain't getting a cushy VP or President job.

[ScramFranklin]

Guess i can still go from supervisorcel to managercel while single. Then I’ll have to get married to hit directorcel

[N0stradamus]

Presidents, CEOs, VPs are the "face" of the company. Their only job is to attend meetings, interact with investors, maintain relationships with suppliers and customers, and give presentations.

They don't actually have to do any real work.

But because they are the "face" of the company, it's even more important that they have families because family men are viewed as more stable and reliable. Unmarried men are viewed as too volatile.

[OutdoorBrah]

That's showbiz baby

[Kawhilights]

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[N0stradamus]

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Not gonna happen. He can't prove that he's been discriminated for being single. Because the "Do you have any kids?" question didn't come up during a formal interview - it was just friendly small talk between the sexy HR representative while giving a tour.

That's exactly why we specifically chose young, sexy HR representatives to give tours to male candidates - it's because men love to advertise their single status and availability hoping to slide into those sexy sugar walls.

BIG MISTAKE.

[Fang2]

What if the one being interviewed was gay or a tranny?

[Godfrd824]

Presidents, CEOs, VPs are the "face" of the company. Their only job is to attend meetings, interact with investors, maintain relationships with suppliers and customers, and give presentations.

They don't actually have to do any real work.

But because they are the "face" of the company, it's even more important that they have families because family men are viewed as more stable and reliable. Unmarried men are viewed as too volatile.

It's more like they don't want incels in leadership roles. Makes sense.

[N0stradamus]

It's more like they don't want incels in leadership roles. Makes sense.

No, they don't. Our R&D department and IT department are dominated by incels with STEM degrees from prestigious universities. But we would never allow them to be the "face" of the company.

These men are paid very handsomely, but we stuff them in the corner and tell them to make themselves scarce, and NEVER speak unless spoken to.

[Ironmanlet]

It is an illusion of security.

Pretty common.

[FastBack6]

Not sure if you boyos have ever been involved in the hiring process for senior management level positions, but it's absolutely true that corporations will rarely hire unmarried men into senior leadership positions.


My company recently interviewed a guy for a senior leadership position. After the preliminary meet and greet he was no longer considered for the position as soon as we found out he's unmarried and has no children.


Of course we're not allowed to ask these types of questions in an official interview, so the way we extract this type of information is we have the sexy HR representative give a brief tour of the campus.

While on the tour she'll discreetly say some sh/t like "We're very flexible here. If you ever need to leave a little early to take your kids to soccer practice that's perfectly fine. DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS?"


The poor schmuck answered "Oh no, single, no kids, no commitments. I'm a career-focused guy."

This means that, sadly, unmarried men encounter a glass ceiling in their earning potential in the corporate world. It's not the same issue with women as I've known many unmarried women who held VP roles.


The reason why companies prefer married men with children is because they have something that they're scared to lose if they f/ck up in their job.


Sorry boyos, if you're unmarried with no children, you ain't getting a cushy VP or President job.

Guess you’ll have to wear one of those silicone wedding bands, print out a picture of you and your girlfriend and a stock photo of some baby and put it on your desk.

How the hell would anyone ever know you were actually married/had kids? I’m a manager and I never talk about personal stuff at work. Absolutely no one’s business.

If I thought it was going to hinder me in some way I would just lie. I can be married, single, divorced, have kids, have no kids, whatever suits me if I need to. It’s not like they’re gonna follow me home to check.

[Shysty021]

Noted

When taking VP or Director position when sexy HR girl is giving me a tour and asks if I had kids or wife

“What do you think?” Laugh and change the subject

Or just remain silent until she starts talking again after it being uncomfortably silent

[N0stradamus]

Guess you’ll have to wear one of those silicone wedding bands, print out a picture of you and your girlfriend and a stock photo of some baby and put it on your desk.

How the hell would anyone ever know you were actually married/had kids? I’m a manager and I never talk about personal stuff at work. Absolutely no one’s business.

I'm a senior manager as well.... a "manager" is just a first class pleb, not elite status like the VPs and above. Managers aren't the face of the company, therefore it's irrelevant what their married status is.

How would anyone know? Simple, we have the sexy HR representative extract that intel via "small talk" during the campus tour.


And btw, people know if their coworkers are married or single. Because married people with kids never shut up about their kids. All they ever talk about is their kids and life as a parent.


Just cause you don't say it doesn't mean people won't know it.

[WoofieNugget]

I'd rather have a guy with no wife/kids because there will rarely be issues with a single, career focused guy. He's wealthy enough to work hard and enjoy life outside of work.

A married man at that level is probably having affairs, his kids are a nightmare and he will constantly be distracted or implode eventually and bang his personal assistant or another coworker, causing scandal.

[FAPhaggot]

The real blackpill is that STEMbrahs don't even promote unmarried men to frontline manager status.

[Muzzlrpress]

Sexy HR lady?

You lie!

[TugOfPeace]

First thing my director asked me at orientation is if I was married.

I immediately saw it a way for him to gauge whether I could be bullied into working my ass off, and said no.

Its true, as a single guy in a managerial position I don't really care that much about my job. If I lose it I have very few responsibilities and can easily find another job elsewhere.

If men have kids before they're very financially stable that's a lot of pressure to do the job right.

[phaginator]

You're talking about wageslave jobs, who gives a fck?

Start your own business

[FatLoserNerd]

Guess you’ll have to wear one of those silicone wedding bands, print out a picture of you and your girlfriend and a stock photo of some baby and put it on your desk.

How the hell would anyone ever know you were actually married/had kids? I’m a manager and I never talk about personal stuff at work. Absolutely no one’s business.

If I thought it was going to hinder me in some way I would just lie. I can be married, single, divorced, have kids, have no kids, whatever suits me if I need to. It’s not like they’re gonna follow me home to check.

“Hey Fastback, we noticed that your W4 said you were single but you said you’re married. Was that mistake? You know that we have to report accurate information on all government forms, please let us know.”

[leoaa777]

Yup. It’s an unwritten but very real rule in the corporate world. OP knows what’s up

[theory816]

That’s actually pretty good policy

[saltypits]

The only thing worse than unmarried men are unmarried women.

[leoaa777]

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

Nope. The hiring process of higher levels is more informal, looking for culture fit and leadership skills rather than knowledge or technical prowess. These jobs are obviously higher pay, bonuses and stock options so why hire a single guy that can just pick up and leave after all the investment.

I’m sure Op can expand on that

[atgbrahsrs]

Things I do:

a) married fraud

b) bisexual fraud

c) previous employment fraud

d) disability fraud

[N0stradamus]

Nope. The hiring process of higher levels is more informal, looking for culture fit and leadership skills rather than knowledge or technical prowess. These jobs are obviously higher pay, bonuses and stock options so why hire a single guy that can just pick up and leave after all the investment.

I’m sure Op can expand on that

The higher up you go the more social EQ you need. It's all about people skills, communication skills, social awareness, and most importantly PRESENTABILITY.

This job is a VP position. Pay starting at $260K, 20% bonus, 4 weeks accrued vacation.

* The first round interview is a formal meet-and-greet. The candidate must present himself in person so we can see how he "looks" at the facility and how he conducts himself on site. The question is: Does he possess a commanding presence that can command respect from his peers.

* 2nd interview is more informal, it's a dinner or lunch interview. This is a round table interview where several other higher-ups will be present. The question is: does he know how to conduct himself at the dinner table? Because his table manners and his conversational skills are indicators of his ability to interact with investors, big customers, crucial vendors and regulators.

* 3rd interview is a formal interview on site again, it's also a round table where he'll be asked more technical questions. We're looking to see if he can stay calm under pressure or if he cracks.


The first two interviews are the most crucial because they reveal the candidate's presentability.  If he's an unmarried man with no kids, then he has nothing to lose, and we can't be sure of his level of commitment.

[saltypits]

$260K? Puke.

[DuracellBunny]

It's not about fking up; it's about job hopping.

You want less employee turnover the higher you get. You can play around with golden handcuffs, stock etc on a contractual level; but you can also recruit from a demograpic with lower turnover levels.

Married, 2.2 kids, dog and a white picked fence, has traditionally stayed at a company and tried to climb the ladder, as opposed to changing employer every 2 years.

The correlation is breaking down and less companies are using this in hiring, due to it no longer holding true as often.

[FelixTheCat1919]

It is an illusion of security.

Pretty common.

Illusion is right lol

[shmobin]

I've never encountered a more cubical dwelling observation in my life. ROFL

[twovalvekid]

Surely this is the only reason he wasnt considered after a first "informal" interview.

Surely...