The Razor Wire is coming down boys.. Make extra Tacos for Taco Tuesday

[mtpockets]

Supreme Court allows Biden administration to remove razor wire on US-Mexico border in 5-4 vote



https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/22/polit...cebook,twitter

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Federal supremacy over state actions was a question resolved in 1864.

[MajorTendonitis]

That’s the only way democrats can get their voting numbers up . Can you imagine being so pathetic that you have to open the borders and destroy your country in order to win an election and stay in power

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The Supreme Court has already ordered what Texas is doing as illegal and clearly falls within Federal jurisdiction. No state can usurp the privileges of the federal government, it would be a much bigger issue if they didn't fight this. Abbott knows what he is doing is illegal but continues to do so.

The optics of the administration going to court to tear down border barriers at a time when illegal immigration is at high levels will not be good and will feed the narrative that the administration is too lax on border enforcement. That's why Abbot did it. He knew that no President would let state's usurp federal authority. He also knew there would be a bunch of pictures and videos of the razor wire coming down, and that's all some people would pay attention to.

[x-trainer ben]

Dam, so this has nothing to do with tacos, leaving highly disappointed.

[jtaylor2010]

Federal government actively undermining a state’s attempts to secure the border, all while admitting the border is not secure and having leaders all over the country BEGGING them to get it under control. Just another day in Biden’s America.

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Federal government actively undermining a state’s attempts to secure the border, all while admitting the border is not secure and having leaders all over the country BEGGING them to get it under control. Just another day in Biden’s America.

Do you think razor wire actually helps? Migrants can cut the wire, whereas border agents have to go around it.

And the wire is in the US because legally it has to be. So by the time migrants hit the wire they are already in the country. Which means border patrol has an obligation to apprehend them and according to border control the wire is making this more difficult.

And no, a razor wire is not going to discourage people from starting the journey. People traveling hundred or thousands of miles on foot are not going to be deterred by a wire.

[jtaylor2010]

Do you think razor wire actually helps? Migrants can cut the wire, whereas border agents have to go around it.

And the wire is in the US because legally it has to be. So by the time migrants hit the wire they are already in the country. Which means border patrol has an obligation to apprehend them and according to border control the wire is making this more difficult.

And no, a razor wire is not going to discourage people from starting the journey. People traveling hundred or thousands of miles on foot are not going to be deterred by a wire.

Sounds like all of the same things leftists said about the wall….and are now saying we need more sections of wall.

[Karl_Hungus]

The Supreme Court has already ordered what Texas is doing as illegal and clearly falls within Federal jurisdiction. No state can usurp the privileges of the federal government, it would be a much bigger issue if they didn't fight this. Abbott knows what he is doing is illegal but continues to do so.

The optics of the administration going to court to tear down border barriers at a time when illegal immigration is at high levels will not be good and will feed the narrative that the administration is too lax on border enforcement. That's why Abbot did it. He knew that no President would let state's usurp federal authority. He also knew there would be a bunch of pictures and videos of the razor wire coming down, and that's all some people would pay attention to.

Then good for Abbot. The more attention brought to this issue the better.

[mtpockets]

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Sounds like all of the same things leftists said about the wall….and are now saying we need more sections of wall.

A wall doesn’t work along such a long, often remote border and is a massive expense to build and maintain for minimal amount of deterrence. If any at all. And those supporting “border security” have not ever put a price tag on it. That’s not an accident as they keep turning down comprehensive immigration reform because they prefer it to be an unsolvable problem.

But how about this for a quick fix? Anyone who hires an undocumented worker will be fined $10,000 for each occurance. We already have E-verify so a system is in place. See how many republicans vote for that.

[jtaylor2010]

A wall doesn’t work along such a long, often remote border and is a massive expense to build and maintain for minimal amount of deterrence. If any at all. And those supporting “border security” have not ever put a price tag on it. That’s not an accident as they keep turning down comprehensive immigration reform because they prefer it to be an unsolvable problem.

But how about this for a quick fix? Anyone who hires an undocumented worker will be fined $10,000 for each occurance. We already have E-verify so a system is in place. See how many republicans vote for that.

There are lots of problems from both republicans and democrats, sure. But illegal immigration is much, MUCH worse today than it was when Trump was president. Can we both agree on that?

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Then good for Abbot. The more attention brought to this issue the better.

So basically he’s having no discernible effect on policy while projecting that he’s doing something, but all it really does it “get attention”? Some on here have called that behavior “virtue signaling”.

That said border policy is a federal issue and as governor he should be attempting to force federal action if that is what the voters want. But the major roadblock to federal action has been that Republicans have spent the last seven years screaming at each other about who's "stronger" on the border. They can't unilaterally make immigration policy because they lack the majority within their party to do it and will have to work with Democrats. That can't happen so long as the main issue in the GOP is demonstrating "strength" on the border.

[Cass40]

The Taco eaters are prolly more indigenous to the area than white Northern Europeans like myself so I think it’s more their country than mine.

[steffo99]

Some finns are at the border as well. You can tell by the koskenkorva bottles they hurl across. They look like Conan O Brien.

[Cass40]

Some finns are at the border as well. You can tell by the koskenkorva bottles they hurl across. They look like Conan O Brien.

We throw a bottle in your head if u don’t let us in!

[steffo99]

We throw a bottle in your head if u don’t let us in!

This is the way.


I'd keep an eye on that northern border though, think Chaz is about to make a break for it.

stop anyone looking like this - they are polite and very dangerous

[Karl_Hungus]

So basically he’s having no discernible effect on policy while projecting that he’s doing something, but all it really does it “get attention”? Some on here have called that behavior “virtue signaling”.

Call it what you will -- if it puts additional pressure on the Feds and brings enough attention to the issue to influence public opinion and therefore elections, then great!

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That said border policy is a federal issue and as governor he should be attempting to force federal action if that is what the voters want. But the major roadblock to federal action has been that Republicans have spent the last seven years screaming at each other about who's "stronger" on the border. They can't unilaterally make immigration policy because they lack the majority within their party to do it and will have to work with Democrats. That can't happen so long as the main issue in the GOP is demonstrating "strength" on the border.

Disingenuous -- you know very well that there is zero chance of that happening and that the open border is deliberate...and yes, both parties have their hand in it. The only way it changes is through elections.

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There are lots of problems from both republicans and democrats, sure. But illegal immigration is much, MUCH worse today than it was when Trump was president. Can we both agree on that?

It’s an intractable problem that has existed for decades so it’s easy to call out whichever administration is in the White House and complain that they’re not magically solving it, or solving it wrong, and offer no actual solutions or offer ridiculously impractical solutions.

Disingenuous -- you know very well that there is zero chance of that happening and that the open border is deliberate...and yes, both parties have their hand in it. The only way it changes is through elections.

We haven’t had major immigration legislation since the Clinton administration; and when the republicans last held the house, the senate and the presidency during the first two years of Trump, they did nothing except use it as a tool to reduce the budget for other areas. Not sure why you think the next election would change that.

[jtaylor2010]

It’s an intractable problem that has existed for decades so it’s easy to call out whichever administration is in the White House and complain that they’re not magically solving it, or solving it wrong, and offer no actual solutions or offer ridiculously impractical solutions.



We haven’t had major immigration legislation since the Clinton administration; and when the republicans last held the house, the senate and the presidency during the first two years of Trump, they did nothing except use it as a tool to reduce the budget for other areas. Not sure why you think the next election would change that.

Of course it can’t be instantly fixed, but there are measures we can take to make the situation better. Trump tried to build a wall along more areas. He worked with Mexico to incentivize them to secure their southern border, which is much easier than having us secure our southern border and was paying off in a big way. We can make it more difficult for those who arrive to transition towards life in America. We can put pressure on companies who exacerbate the problem. We can provide federal aid to the states fighting this issue on the front line(ie border states). We can put pressure on “sanctuary cities” to not contribute to the problem. Trump did many of those things with decent results. Biden is not only NOT doing those things, in many cases he’s doing the opposite(making it EASIER for those who arrive to integrate, fighting against states trying to secure the border, incentivizing sanctuary cities, etc.)


The fact that you can’t even admit the problem was much less severe under Trump just illustrates that you are either completely programmed/demoralized, or that you have zero desire to engage in meaningful discussion. Quite possibly both.


Again, it’s not even a matter of opinion. It’s just a plain fact that the problem has gotten much MUCH worse since Biden became president.

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CATO Institute fellow argues that Biden should stop attempting to appease Republican who accuse him of supporting “open borders”

# Biden Can’t Stop Immigration. Time to Embrace It.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/o...smid=url-share

By **David J. Bier** | *November 3, 2023*

When Joe Biden became president, he assumed a nearly impossible task: stopping migrants from crossing the U.S.-Mexico border amid a global displacement crisis. Despite his efforts, under his watch the number of people who crossed the border has risen sharply. Republicans have blamed the president, claiming that he has opened the borders.

A recent House Judiciary Committee report shows that of the five million people who were arrested at the southwestern border during Mr. Biden’s term through March 31 this year, 49 percent had no confirmed departure date, and 51 percent were already removed.

The Republican-controlled committee’s report does not compare these results with what occurred under President Donald Trump’s last two years in office. But the Department of Homeland Security has published those statistics, and we at the Cato Institute made the comparison.

In the two years before Mr. Biden took office, the Trump administration released nearly 713,000 immigrants, or a little over 52 percent of the 1.4 million crossers. In other words, Mr. Trump’s policies resulted in far fewer removals in absolute terms and a slightly higher percentage of released border crossers than Mr. Biden’s.

The data highlights how much of a distraction pinning all migration trends on the executive branch truly is. What’s the point in developing a nuanced understanding of the situation when you believe that all that’s needed is a new person in the Oval Office to proclaim “Stop!” to the huddled masses yearning to breathe free?

Is a 51 percent expulsion rate high? Well, it is nearly as high as the homicide arrest rate nationwide and much higher than the arrest rates for every other type of crime, and unlike those offenses, immigrating illegally doesn’t harm anyone on its own. Even before Mr. Trump, the federal government was spending more on enforcing immigration policy than on any other set of laws.

The response from the president’s critics is that it’s not about resources; it’s about Mr. Biden’s effort. But the Republican investigation highlights how the president has in fact held on to many of his predecessor’s most extreme policy ideas.

Case in point: Mr. Biden has put the thinnest new coat of paint on Mr. Trump’s “asylum ban” and reinstituted it. Contrary to the plain language of the asylum law, immigrants are now presumed ineligible for asylum if they cross the border illegally.

Mr. Biden has also transformed Mr. Trump’s “remain in Mexico” plan into “deport to Mexico.” Under Mr. Trump, some asylum seekers were supposed to wait in the most dangerous cities in Mexico for a hearing north of the border. Under Mr. Biden, some asylum seekers are being permanently deported to Mexico with no chance for asylum, even if they are not Mexican.

That is not all. Mr. Biden has doubled the number of immigrants detained in Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention facilities pending removal, and he has negotiated deals to reopen deportations to Venezuela and Cuba. He has deported more people to Haiti in less than three years than Mr. Trump did in four. Mr. Biden’s own administration has stated that all these countries are too unsafe and politically repressive to expect people to live in.

The open-borders myth won’t die even though every single day of his administration, Mr. Biden has imposed restrictions on applying for asylum far beyond those required by law. What should he do next? Dispatch his vice president to foreign countries to repeatedly tell people, “Do not come, do not come”? Oh, yeah, he did that, too. Now he’s even building Mr. Trump’s wall.

No matter how cruel or restrictive Mr. Biden’s policies are, they will never be enough to appease his critics. They also aren’t working. He can continue to do everything Mr. Trump did and more and still be the “open-borders president.” So why try? Instead he should stake his legacy on something different: legalizing immigration. Let more immigrants come humanely and legally.

America desperately needs immigrants. Population growth is the lowest in American history. We have averaged nearly 10 million job openings over the past two years. Our worker-to-retiree ratio continues to fall. We need more workers, taxpayers and contributors. The president should embrace — not stop — immigration, and that means creating viable ways for people to enter the country legally. This would dramatically cut illegal immigration and solve many related problems.

Mr. Biden’s detractors may call it open borders. But they’d call anything that.

[jtaylor2010]

Exposure to true information does not matter anymore.

A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.
The facts tell nothing to him.

Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures.
Even if I take him by force to the southern border, and show him the hordes flooding across,
he will refuse to believe it, until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.

When the infrastructure collapses around him, then he will understand, but not before that.
That is the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

[x-trainer ben]

This is the way.


I'd keep an eye on that northern border though, think Chaz is about to make a break for it.

stop anyone looking like this - they are polite and very dangerous

Saw a chart recently and is was 12,000 up north trying to come in and millions down south.

[CommitmentRulz]

Federal government actively undermining a state’s attempts to secure the border, all while admitting the border is not secure and having leaders all over the country BEGGING them to get it under control. Just another day in Biden’s America.

This ^^^^^

So when are the feds going to take down the razor wire around the White House?

[Mark1T]

Some finns are at the border as well. You can tell by the koskenkorva bottles they hurl across. They look like Conan O Brien.

steffi, the finns don't take the taco bait, unless they are made with raw cod with the skin on. They also speak FinnTex, which is a cross between Spanish and Finn slang. It sounds like a lot of people are clearing their throats while carrying ill cats that kind of howl, at the border and it's un-nerving. The border guards just let them through because they believe it's an archaic weapon that is used to merely bother people. Not kill them. Just to get their way by bothering people.

Border Guard: Wait a minute, what is that sound in your bag, a monkey?

Finn: Neh, itta mi cat.

Crazy shiit.

Then, there are these Finnisians that try to get across with their sob stories.

[Tommy W.]

“The Constitution is clear: Section IV Article 4 says the federal government “shall protect each of [the states] against Invasion,” “When the federal government fails to fulfill this constitutional duty, Article 1 Section 10 expressly guarantees states the sovereign power to repel an invasion and defend their citizenry from overwhelming and “imminent danger.” This resolution affirms that states don’t have to be passive victims of this Administration’s border security failures; rather, they should exercise their sovereign, constitutional right to defend themselves and their citizens.”

It’s pretty clear.

Dems don’t really follow these things though. The 2A? lol

[Karl_Hungus]

We haven’t had major immigration legislation since the Clinton administration; and when the republicans last held the house, the senate and the presidency during the first two years of Trump, they did nothing except use it as a tool to reduce the budget for other areas. Not sure why you think the next election would change that.

Where did I say anything about electing cut and paste Republicans? There are plenty of open border Republicans as well. I said your post was disingenuous because you are knowingly arguing from a false premise. You are smart enough and informed enough to know that there are literally no concessions big enough that could get the Democrats to secure the border. I think you advocate for a process you know will fail because its ultimate result will produce an outcome consistent with your world-view (e g., no borders whatsoever).

[bustasinclair]

Exposure to true information does not matter anymore.

A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information.
The facts tell nothing to him.

Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures.
Even if I take him by force to the southern border Soviet Union, and show the hordes flooding across him a concentration camp,
he will refuse to believe it, until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom.

When the infrastructure collapses around him military boot crushes his balls, then he will understand, but not before that.
That is the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

Hmmm, interesting quote from a former Russian propaganda "journalist" named Yuri Bezmenov.

By the way, I corrected it for you so that it reads as the actual quote and not your sad attempt at plagiarism.

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Where did I say anything about electing cut and paste Republicans? There are plenty of open border Republicans as well.

Not in a GOP controlled by President Trump.

I said your post was disingenuous because you are knowingly arguing from a false premise. You are smart enough and informed enough to know that there are literally no concessions big enough that could get the Democrats to secure the border.

Seems like the Dems have run several times straight at bipartisan compromise/reform measures that won GOP votes in senate, just not enough to overcome the filibuster. Same thing happened in 2013 Senate passed a bipartisan bill, then the Republican controlled house couldn't get enough support from the right wing of the conference to do anything, so Boehner refused to let it come up for a vote.

I have no idea what threshold needs to be met with border security for Republicans to consider internal bureaucratic reform for immigrants but at least the senate is working on it again. The reporting I've read has indicated that they are far from addressing all the issues, rather they are just trying to make incremental improvements. They are compromising but they are narrowing the scope as much as they can in order to make at least some kind of a deal. But of course Speaker Johnson has said “ now is not the time for comprehensive reform”, so that’s doa in the house again.

I think you advocate for a process you know will fail because its ultimate result will produce an outcome consistent with your world-view (e g., no borders whatsoever).

I don’t want no borders but I do believe it should be MUCH easier to come here legally. Strength through diversity and all that. There are certain great ideas, such as Korean Fusion Tacos, that can only be had when previously isolated concepts collide.

Of course the problem is that any real immigration reform would basically crash the economy unless amnesty were also passed which Republicans probably won’t go for.

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Hmmm, interesting quote from a former Russian propaganda "journalist" named Yuri Bezmenov.

By the way, I corrected it for you so that it reads as the actual quote and not your sad attempt at plagiarism.

LOL. I din’t feel so demoralized now.