My neighbors new "Clean" F250.

[eomrat]

My neighbors very energetic wife was excitedly telling me that Hubby bought an environmentally clean work truck that does nor use gas or batteries. Anyone want to know what clean energy source it uses instead?







That's right. Its an F-250 with 6.7l Powerstroke, and technically it does not, in fact, use gas or batteries.

[mtpockets]

[Mark1T]

My brother has a F250 and it uses gas and probably won't qualify for any eco-environmental awards (sorry greenies), but it'll pull out a tree stump.

Thanks

[mtpockets]

I am overly impressed by the advancements in battery operated devices and a huge fan but I don't think that it is there for larger vehicles at this point.


In the recent couple of years I have switched most of my tools over to battery operated. I own 2 E bikes and use them a lot, not because I am trying to save the planet rather because they are fun and practical. I have most of my tools converted over to battery now.

A few years again I switched to a battery operated Ice Auger and was very impressed, not messing with a gas engine or fuel at -30 is a bonus, the same goes for chainsaws. I was always messing with both in the winter. Some things just don't like the cold temperatures. The Battery operated saws and Auger never let me down. Obviously you can't run them all day on a single battery, but I don't need to and they have more than enough battery to cut a pile of wood or auger way more holes than I need but they aren't for everyone. I can't see any of my Lumberjack Buddies putting their hair up in a man bun and running a battery operated saw just yet.


Here's an example of the advancements that I have seen.. My recent upgrade was to lighten the weight of my Auger, the gas Auger I was toting around for years came in just over 30 lbs...the electric auger I have upgraded to a couple of years ago came in at 20 lbs... That's a substantial weight saving. 10 lbs less on your back, in your hand or in the sled can make a world of distance in a long haul.

But wait it gets better, My most recent auger upgrade uses a Milwaukee Tool M18 18V Lithium-Ion Brushless Drill and an Eskimo Pistol bit auger.

The drill with the 5AH battery attached weighs 5.3 lbs, the auger weighs 3.9 lbs for a total of 9.2 lbs.. shaving 11 more pounds off my auger weight and 20 lbs off the gas auger saving 2/3rd the weight of it.


And that thing will plough through the ice. Not me but the setup that I have..




Those of you who have used a manual or gas auger on ice will see this as very impressive consider the weight difference. Putting an 8 inch hole through a few feet of ice is not easy.

My Battery setup as mentioned comes in at 9.2 lbs, my hand held Manual 7 inch Eskimo Ice auger weights 7 lbs... Pass me the Milwaukee, I'll be through the ice in seconds instead of 10 minutes.



This is just one example of how I feel battery technology has advanced, the proof is right there, no denying that.

Is that same technology there for vehicles? Not even close IMO. Will it get there? Maybe, who knows? I wouldn't opt in just yet for many reasons.



Anyway, you fukkers have a great day.

I gotta make tracks, those fish aren't going to catch themselves.

[paulinkansas]

That's right. Its an F-250 with 6.7l Powerstroke, and technically it does not, in fact, use gas or batteries.

A magnetic field imbedded in the road?

[Karl_Hungus]

An antimatter conversion chamber fueled by dilithium crystals?

[Redfish225]

The battery chit is useless for the future, hydrogen is the way forward.

[Mark1T]

The battery chit is useless for the future, hydrogen is the way forward.

I like hydrogen for future vehicles and also jets. But, solid state batteries will be a huge step forward in relieving range anxiety, with 600+ miles range per charge and faster charging.

[paulinkansas]

Pedals, like in a bicycle.

[Redfish225]

Pedals, like in a bicycle.

Dam, lol. No shoes either for maximum feet gains.

[OldFartTom]

The battery chit is useless for the future, hydrogen is the way forward.

Hydrogen is a pain in the azz, it leaks through seals, it makes many metals go brittle, if ****s up welds, a small sneaky little molecule. It doesn't liquify (well not except at extreme cryogenics anyway) so a compressed cylinder of it holds very little compared to other gaseous fuels. I can go on about hydrogen and storage... Unless we get a technological breakthrough it's just not practical.

[eomrat]

My brother has a F250 and it uses gas and probably won't qualify for any eco-environmental awards (sorry greenies), but it'll pull out a tree stump.

Thanks

My 85 F150 has a Windsor stroked to 408 and does pull tree stumps.

[mtpockets]

Car rental giant Hertz dumps EVs in U.S. in favour of gasoline engines. Rental firm Hertz Global Holdings said on Thursday it would sell about 20,000 electric vehicles, including Teslas, from its U.S. fleet due to higher expenses related to collision and damage, and will opt for gas-powered vehicles.

[Mark1T]

Car rental giant Hertz dumps EVs in U.S. in favour of gasoline engines. Rental firm Hertz Global Holdings said on Thursday it would sell about 20,000 electric vehicles, including Teslas, from its U.S. fleet due to higher expenses related to collision and damage, and will opt for gas-powered vehicles.

Hilarious.

My 85 F150 has a Windsor stroked to 408 and does pull tree stumps.

Damn straight.

Ernie, an old boy who works at the gas station near here, almost walks sideways with a slight limp, always carrying a 1/2 inch wrench in his right hand, and always has shiny shoes, says as he's cleaning your windshield:

It do what it do.

So, when you go into a Ford dealership, just tell the salesperson that you need a stump-puller.

He'll just say: Right this way, sir.

[mtpockets]

[mtpockets]

[IronCharles]

Car rental giant Hertz dumps EVs in U.S. in favour of gasoline engines. Rental firm Hertz Global Holdings said on Thursday it would sell about 20,000 electric vehicles, including Teslas, from its U.S. fleet due to higher expenses related to collision and damage, and will opt for gas-powered vehicles.

That high volume of battery acid probably does more damage to flesh, steel, glass, and plastic than regular collisions in gas powered vehicles. And EVs catch fire and burn just as well as internal combustion rigs, too.

[PlanoLifter]

Just LMAO at Canadian EV charging infrastructure:

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/back-up-at...ions-1.6735934

...

Drivers told CTV News on Friday that they waited up to two hours with five out of the eight supercharger stations out of service.

...

"If you get a bit of snow in the plug, it will not work or when you try to plug it in, the snow will keep it from connecting properly, so that’s probably the biggest factor," Leury said.

Trudeau wants to sell only EVs by 2035. Good luck to Canadian drivers ...

[x-trainer ben]

my late guess was cooking oil

[Mark1T]

Just LMAO at Canadian EV charging infrastructure:

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/back-up-at...ions-1.6735934

Trudeau wants to sell only EVs by 2035. Good luck to Canadian drivers ...

Trudeau and Newsom have to be related. Of all the hoaxes in the past 6 years, Climate Change OMG Hoax along with ESG and DEI are such crocks made up by fools. Nothing wrong with electric, but it should be a choice and not forced.

At the WEF, most of the conversations were around Climate Change and all the genders. Clown World.

[Cantplankwell]

Just LMAO at Canadian EV charging infrastructure:

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/back-up-at...ions-1.6735934



Trudeau wants to sell only EVs by 2035. Good luck to Canadian drivers ...

He is trying to get all of his unrealistic goals in before he gets booted in the next election, only to have them reversed.

There is a supercharger station near the gym I go to. I think there is 8-10 spots, never see more than 2 or 3 cars plugged in. These are all people who are most likely transiting between Toronto-Montreal, Toronto-Ottawa. My town is the half way point.

As everywhere infrastructure is hit and miss. I cant see how you can get these charging stations into areas with high density residential.

Not interested in all electric, we went with a Corolla Hybrid instead (AWD). Its already cut our full costs in half.

[Mark1T]

He is trying to get all of his unrealistic goals in before he gets booted in the next election, only to have them reversed.

There is a supercharger station near the gym I go to. I think there is 8-10 spots, never see more than 2 or 3 cars plugged in. These are all people who are most likely transiting between Toronto-Montreal, Toronto-Ottawa. My town is the half way point.

As everywhere infrastructure is hit and miss. I cant see how you can get these charging stations into areas with high density residential.

Not interested in all electric, we went with a Corolla Hybrid instead (AWD). Its already cut our full costs in half.

IMO, hybrids make the most sense.

[Cantplankwell]

IMO, hybrids make the most sense.

Never understood why hybrids are not diesel/gas/turbine-electric, like locomotives. Its a well established technology. Just get a small genset in there, a battery that is the buffer and use wheel motors (no drive line). If you have access to a charging station, well you can charge it there as well. Probably something I am missing in the engineering...that I dont understand.

[Mark1T]

Never understood why hybrids are not diesel/gas/turbine-electric, like locomotives. Its a well established technology. Just get a small genset in there, a battery that is the buffer and use wheel motors (no drive line). If you have access to a charging station, well you can charge it there as well. Probably something I am missing in the engineering...that I dont understand.

100% agreed. Can you imagine a small gas or diesel hybrid, but with a new solid-state battery (near-future) with the gas/diesel engine regen-ing the battery? The range would be 1000+ miles.

[PlanoLifter]

I thought hybrids only make sense in urban environments where regen braking can recharge the battery. On long highway trips with little to no braking I don't see hybrids as being any better than regular ICE vehicles.

[Mark1T]

I thought hybrids only make sense in urban environments where regen braking can recharge the battery. On long highway trips with little to no braking I don't see hybrids as being any better than regular ICE vehicles.

The Prius is one of the most successful hybrids and the mph is ~55 mpg and you can drive it all over the country. There is no need to manually recharge the battery in one model. There is a plug-in model, but that can be done at a hotel and with the Prius, there is no range anxiety.

[induced_drag]

Pretty amazing the newer small 6 cyl diesels. I recently needed to buy a new truck since I needed something with more towing capability. I ended up going with the larger V8 which has 975ftlb torque for towing. But if I did not need to tow larger things, the small diesels are quite nice!

I dont think the tech from a diesel gas generator w/ electric drive motors would translate well to cars. Those generators are great for steady state output. With cars and all the stop and go, I dont see the generator as being an efficient use case. They are kind of (by nature) efficient at their desired output. When lower inputs are needed, generators are generally not very efficient. Locomotives are easy to engineer around as their power output is relatively fixed and not as dynamic as a road going vehicle.

[PlanoLifter]

The Prius is one of the most successful hybrids and the mph is ~55 mpg and you can drive it all over the country. There is no need to manually recharge the battery in one model. There is a plug-in model, but that can be done at a hotel and with the Prius, there is no range anxiety.

I see. Thanks Mark. Today, if I was looking for a vehicle with a battery I'd for sure go hybrid rather than full EV.

[Cantplankwell]

I dont think the tech from a diesel gas generator w/ electric drive motors would translate well to cars. Those generators are great for steady state output. With cars and all the stop and go, I dont see the generator as being an efficient use case. They are kind of (by nature) efficient at their desired output. When lower inputs are needed, generators are generally not very efficient. Locomotives are easy to engineer around as their power output is relatively fixed and not as dynamic as a road going vehicle.

I am thinking the generator would essentially be steady state to charge the battery, but could boost the wheel motor current (torque) if not needed for charging. The wheel motors would regenerate (charge) the battery going down hill.

Locomotives dont have the battery (normally) the generator powers the traction motors directly. The generator only needs to be as big as anticipated demand for the charging duty cycle.

Often these locomotives have hugely varying operating parameters, size of the train, allowable speed, acceleration in urban transit applications, mountainous territory, wet rails.

Off highway mine haul dump trucks and excavators use the diesel electric drive as well.

Something I am probably missing tho.

[Mark1T]

Ford told its dealers that it was reducing weekly production of its F-150 Lightning pickup truck next year in response to slowing customer demand, Automotive News reports. From 3200 per week to 1600.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/11/...duce-ev-demand

Ford is focusing more on hybrid models along with its gas and diesel vehicles.