It's Over - Google likely to layoff 30,000 employees post new AI innovation

[buwbs]

The coders should install a virus before they leave lulz

[LuigiMiami631]

For a long time, GOOGLE was the dream job of tech nerds, so many liberals there too, and they would talk about how wonderful the environment was, where they could do whatever they wanted, bean bag chairs, basically play rooms, they were this role model. I wondered how realistic that was over the long term.

Past couple of years it's "lol if you don't work in tech".

Seemed to be a lot of people since 2020 bragging about how they only really work 1-2hrs a day and just fuk off miscing and watching pron all day and making six figures.

Even on here, as well as Reddit, threads about OVERWORK where people talking about working 2-3+ jobs at the same time.

All of the hiring from these companies. What's more, we really saw it during the elections, the tech sectors had fuk you money, and they believed they were unstoppable.

It all started when Elon bought Twitter. I think it was a nightmare to liberals but it was probably one of those nightmares that keep coming back and become like SAW movies for them. Elon walked in and dropped the sink when he saw all of the people working there who did nothing that actually produced anything. Some woman making six figures to make sure there was culturally appropriate food in the break room?



Right. Business 101: Just for starters, ny employee or person hired by a company, there should be a justification to why you employ them where they produce significantly more than what it cost to employ them, or at least they are crucial to this, or save the company money, If they don't, then they are dead weight. They cost the company money.

Wtf? I have to search that.

Imagine being her and you are applying for another job for the same salary and trying to explain what your qualifications are or your skills.

Lmfao, she is basically an overpaid fast food worker.

[ParsleyTea]

My initial reaction is to feel sorry for the Google employees likely to be laid off it sounds like. On the other hand Google is such a rotten company, with cancel culture, it is hard to feel all that bad. As often brought up AI will be going after white collar jobs in the future. White collar employees have been good at preventing job losses in the past and I suspect that will remain the case in the future, but who knows, and not everyone will be safe.

The state of California already is hurting financial, with close to a 70 billion dollar deficit. I can imagine if tech. companies are doing worse, laying off people, California's money problems will remain an issue in the future.


California’s Deficit is Bigger Than the Total Budgets of 10 States
Gov. Newsom wants to run for president on his record of turning California into a bankrupt, filthy, crime-ridden hellhole.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/califor...-of-10-states/

[DustinTheHuss]

Not buying into the AI psyop but I do believe Google wants to relocate most of their labor to poorer countries where they can pay people a fraction to do the same work. It happens in every industry once they reach peak profit and their workers have actually decent pay and benefits. AI will probably be their excuse then after a few months "oops we need to hire back a % of our workforce but since all our old employees probably got other jobs we better go to India". Called that chit like 15 years ago.

20 years ago companies started outsourcing jobs to India but then they pulled them back into the expensive Silicon Valley due to time zone differences and English communication skills. Plus the top engineers want to live in the Bay Area where the weather is nice.

It's really tough to work with someone in India with whom you have to wait a day for their reply.

[jimbob007]

[railmogger]

ITT assumptions about those 30k being software devs.

Tech is corporate welfare that needs to be readjusted.

Too many project manager / product manager / business analyst jobs that get paid 150k base out of college for Female In Tech initiatives.

Big tech also hired way too many people over Covid with the expectation that they needed it for the extra load - not sure what upper management was thinking when Youtube and majority Google Services are scalable as ****.

Despite the cuts, the tech industry has grown over the past 5 years whilst other comparable industries like high finance have contracted a bit.

[Peacening]

What the hell were they thinking?

“OH MY GOD. We have to hire, like, 100,000 new employees right away. Our projections calculate that our company will soon be bigger than the moon is…metaphorically speaking, of course.”

“Johnson, you’re a genius. Hire 10,000 new hiring managers to facilitate our new hiring initiative.”

This is exactly how it works. You should read the book "Bullchit Jobs" by David Graeber he explains why companies do this.

[scudda]

They will go hire Apu and Pajeet that can work 16 hours a day for peanuts

[FAPhaggot]

Not buying into the AI psyop but I do believe Google wants to relocate most of their labor to poorer countries where they can pay people a fraction to do the same work. It happens in every industry once they reach peak profit and their workers have actually decent pay and benefits. AI will probably be their excuse then after a few months "oops we need to hire back a % of our workforce but since all our old employees probably got other jobs we better go to India". Called that chit like 15 years ago.

At least in electronics, the norm is that brand-new technologies get developed by stateside teams. As that technology goes through iterations and matures, it eventually becomes legacy, maintenence type work, and that gets offshored to India for 1/3rd of the labor cost.

Think of the Iphone. The camera on like the Iphone 10 was hot chit, but as we got to the Iphone 11, 12, and 13, that camera didn't really change. That's when it's time to offload it to Pajeetistan.

As far as why tech overhired... I suspect it's because there's a lot of groupthink and monkey-see in C suites. Say you're in Big Tech, and all your competitors are bringing wagies back to cagies 4x per week. If you say "we're fine staying remote", and your earnings fall next quarter, the lizard-men from Black Rock will "question your board's decision making", and might use their mountain of pension fund shares to oust you.

But if you return to office, and everyone else returns to office, and your earnings fall, you have a defense. "We were following best practices and blah blah blah". Then you stay on the board another year, and get another $20M stock grant and tickets to Davos that winter. With overhiring, it's the same deal. If Apple is hiring like mad, it's safe for you to hire too.

I believe in the weird notion that employees have to return value for their salary... but the stock market lost connection to economic fundamentals like that a long time ago.

[Peacening]

20 years ago companies started outsourcing jobs to India but then they pulled them back into the expensive Silicon Valley due to time zone differences and English communication skills. Plus the top engineers want to live in the Bay Area where the weather is nice.

It's really tough to work with someone in India with whom you have to wait a day for their reply.

I agree it would only work if a really significant amount of the workforce was all located in the same place that's why they will do it en masse. In the meantime they are just importing cheap labor from those places to the u.s.

A friend does IT for a small local company whose specialty is bringing immigrants (mainly from India) to the states to score tech jobs at half the pay. Pretty clever actually-- tech companies hire them as a "recruiter" and they post ads for the jobs in no-name papers and after a period of time when nobody has responded they can claim that international options are fair game and they get some fella in India a green card, ship him here, and give him the 75k for the job that would be 150k for an American. A big portion of the saved annual salary goes to the recruiter as a finders fee. This company is like a handful of people and they go on international company retreats multiple times per year to stay in pretty lavish places, I know because my friend gets to tag along for free.

[crupiea]

if they have that many excess employees, AI had nothing to do with the layoffs.

Productivity and demand for their products did.

Remember this important fact. People will use the term AI today like they used God or witchcraft in the middle ages.

Some mythical unseen all powerful entity that seems to have nefarious control over every aspect of peoples lives.

[AlwaysFocus]

Its funny because they learned to code and coded themselves out of work lol

WFH will be the first layoffs naturally, as they produce the least.

[rectifryer]

At least in electronics, the norm is that brand-new technologies get developed by stateside teams. As that technology goes through iterations and matures, it eventually becomes legacy, maintenence type work, and that gets offshored to India for 1/3rd of the labor cost.

Think of the Iphone. The camera on like the Iphone 10 was hot chit, but as we got to the Iphone 11, 12, and 13, that camera didn't really change. That's when it's time to offload it to Pajeetistan.

As far as why tech overhired... I suspect it's because there's a lot of groupthink and monkey-see in C suites. Say you're in Big Tech, and all your competitors are bringing wagies back to cagies 4x per week. If you say "we're fine staying remote", and your earnings fall next quarter, the lizard-men from Black Rock will "question your board's decision making, and might use their mountain of pension fund shares to oust you.

But if you return to office, and everyone else returns to office, and your earnings fall, you have a defense. "We were following best practices and blah blah blah". Then you stay on the board another year, and get another $20M stock grant and tickets to Davos. With overhiring, it's the same deal. If Apple is hiring like mad, it's safe for you to hire too.

I believe in the weird notion that employees have to return value for their salary... but the stock market lost connection to economic fundamentals like that a long time ago.

and that's why investment monopolies are worse than regular monopolies

[xTEXASPRIDEx]

Any good CEO knows the first move is to slash labor. Mass layoffs. Most of the performance is being completed by a small segment of staff across the board, anyway. Offload the under performers. The supply chain and service grid is already fundamentally in place, it shouldn’t require constant human operation in order to function.

This is no different than 50 men on an assembly line at the factory, whose job it is to screw one widget onto another 12,000 times a day, losing their jobs to a machine that does 10x the amount and doesn’t need pay, or sick time, or vacation time, or healthcare, or a 401k, or a pension plan, or paternity leave, or pronouns, or safe spaces, or cry rooms, or coaching, or disciplinary action.

These Google employees are nothing more than unskilled labor of a bygone era, obsolete bags of flesh being sent packing to find new work with their heads hung low, dinosaurs of a dead age.

It has been uttered by many an elitist technocrat, in response to the desperate wails of truckers bemoaning the prospect of self-driving technology; “Learn to Code”. A phrase used smugly, dismissively, almost as if to say “Go ahead and die, for all I care, you pedestrian. You backwater fool. You flyover country moron.”

Now, one may ask, what should the coders learn to do?

"learn to weld!"

[OffwhiteBrah]

end of the year tax writeoff, nothing to see here. They will hire 3x as much in the coming months

[ThatGuy950]

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[Jasonw1178]

Wtf? I have to search that.

Imagine being her and you are applying for another job for the same salary and trying to explain what your qualifications are or your skills.

Lmfao, she is basically an overpaid fast food worker.

Probably never was qualified for a high income job, but got it, and now doesn't know how to even really work anymore. It's why having 6mo or more of unemployment it gets really hard to find a job because if someone has been off work that long, they basically forget how to work. No doubt, their incomes got them where they were spending a lot more than what they can make now.

This is exactly how it works. You should read the book "Bullchit Jobs" by David Graeber he explains why companies do this.

This. I worked for companies back in the day where they had all these levels of management, each one paid more than the next, and they really didn't do anything except make sure the person below them was doing their jobs and evaluating them. They act as the go-between for those below them to those over them. Too many chiefs, not enough indians.

It's a huge problem with our government and why everything cost so much. You'll have several supervisors for every person actually doing the work.

[propreffered7]

They have too much power

These tech companies truly capitalized on something not seen before

What ever happened to the monopolistic laws coming against them?

I remember when they were under fire for selling data or something and guys saying they were trying to limit their power

[Onlinedatingcel]

Pretty sure this is just a rumor at this point. I wouldn't be surprised though.

[Sergis]

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