Brutal truth pill about 99.999% of people not needing AWD or 4 Wheel Drive cars

[Sal29]

If all regular front wheel drive cars had limited slip differentials and came stock with either all weather tires like the Michelin Cross Climate 2 or dedicated winter tries, then 99.999% of people would never ever need an All Wheel Drive or 4 Wheel Drive vehicle. The Mass Adaptation of All Wheel Drive and and 4 wheel drive Cars, SUVs, and Trucks by the public through brainwashing and Propaganda especially in northern climates is ONLY to massively increase corporate profits of vehicle manufacturers.


Michelin CrossClimate 2 All Weather Tire

Michelin X-Ice Dedicated Winter Tire

[Jasonw1178]

4wd is one of those things where you don't need it often, but when you do, it's really great.

It does drag down MPG and cost more, so it's up to someone to decide if they need it or not.

[Sal29]

4wd is one of those things where you don't need it often, but when you do, it's really great.

It does drag down MPG and cost more, so it's up to someone to decide if they need it or not.

You only need 4wd for going up a mountain in a record setting blizzard in Fairbanks Alaska, towing a heavy load in a blizzard or offroading. 99.999% of people will never need anything more than a fwd car with a limited slip differential and Michelin cross climate 2 tires.

A Civic Type R or Acura Integra Type S with with dedicated winter tires can drive perfectly fine in more than 99.999% of winter driving situations where your typical Soccer Mom Driving a Toyota RAV4 AWD or your Typical Manlet Driving a 4Wd Ford F-150 can drive.

[gmenfan40]

AWD is useless until it's below freezing with black ice and snow. When I still lived in NY, having AWD was a game changer. I would see cars struggling in the snow to blow right past them. Winter tires can only do so much. However if you're not in a climate that has a lot of cold weather and snow it's mostly a waste of money. (Super Ded fkn Srs)

[JayJ350]

Bruh FWD sucks. They are nowhere near as fun as RWD, and can't handle nearly as much power as AWD or RWD.

Literally the only benefit to FWD is how it's cheaper to produce and makes it easier to package small compact cars.

[JayJ350]

AWD is useless until it's below freezing with black ice and snow. When I still lived in NY, having AWD was a game changer. I would see cars struggling in the snow to blow right past them. Winter tires can only do so much. However if you're not in a climate that has a lot of cold weather and snow it's mostly a waste of money. (Super Ded fkn Srs)

RWD is awful in the snow and FWD cars are always driving super slow and struggling in the snow. AWD is the only way to go where it snows.

[Sal29]

AWD is useless until it's below freezing with black ice and snow. When I still lived in NY, having AWD was a game changer. I would see cars struggling in the snow to blow right past them. Winter tires can only do so much. However if you're not in a climate that has a lot of cold weather and snow it's mostly a waste of money. (Super Ded fkn Srs)

99.999999999999999% of those cars had a basic differential(in other words 1 wheel drive) and all season tires.
A Camry with an aftermarket limited slip differential and Michelin X-Ice tires would not struggle for 1 second in that situation.

[dabbmw2002]

All depends on where you live and what you do. Suburus in snow covered streets are fuking GOAT. Would front wheel suffice, sure, but al wheel just makes it that much easier.

[Sal29]

Thanks for proving the point OP was making.

Also need to add :

FWD + winter tires > AWD + all seasons in a winter driving scenario.

They don't understand anything about cars so it's almost useless to talk to them about it.
The don't understand that a Civic Type R with MICHELIN® X-Ice Tires will destroy a stock Ford F-150 4WD with stock all season tires in a frozen lake Drag Race.

[Sal29]

Bruh FWD sucks. They are nowhere near as fun as RWD, and can't handle nearly as much power as AWD or RWD.

Literally the only benefit to FWD is how it's cheaper to produce and makes it easier to package small compact cars.

FWD is actually faster than RWD in low power applications because it has less drivetrain loss.

[Destor]

Michelin X-ice tires are what I just bought (srs) (note location)

[PyleShazam]

I bought a clapped out civic for $2,200 and it fkn sucks with winter tires. Lady friends awd rogue with bald ass tires is much better. Yeah I'm not going to take my diff apart to make it better. I guess I'll trade it in towards a type r because of this thread, thank you op

[Destor]

X-Ice, Blizzak or the Haaiikeennpeellita tires are the best for winter.

Fukn sweet

Pirelli Scorpion Winter gets no love though?

[Sal29]

The other thing with AWD cars is that while it does get you moving faster in a low traction scenario, all other factors considered equal...

It does not stop any faster, and theoretically, the stopping distance is actually longer as they are heavier.

Reliability, cost, braking, as well as having to change all 4 tires when 1 goes bad are just sone of the things people give up for AWD.

[Pierre_816]

Ok, I live in northern Ontario where our plows take up to two days to come around after snow storms. FWD cars get stuck due to the amount of snow on the road. That's what I use to drive. I now have a ram 4 x 4 which is 10 x more spacious and way more comfy, wife has AWD suv and now we never get stuck, or need to worry about the snowbank when leaving for work at 7 am at the end of our drive way so will stick to that as it is worth the extra money for us here.

[gmenfan40]

99.999999999999999% of those cars had a basic differential(in other words 1 wheel drive) and all season tires.
A Camry with an aftermarket limited slip differential and Michelin X-Ice tires would not struggle for 1 second in that situation.

Interesting. Where does one go for a legit aftermarket limited slip differential and how do you find a shop to install it? (Super Ded fkn Srs)

[Sal29]

I bought a clapped out civic for $2,200 and it fkn sucks with winter tires. Lady friends awd rogue with bald ass tires is much better. Yeah I'm not going to take my diff apart to make it better. I guess I'll trade it in towards a type r because of this thread, thank you op

Should have used a Civic Type R with Michelin X-Ice tires and you would BRUTALLY MOGG that Nissan Rogue Chitbox with All Season Tires on Snow and Ice.

[Sal29]

Interesting. Where does one go for a legit aftermarket limited slip differential and how do you find a shop to install it? (Super Ded fkn Srs)

I'm not an expert, but you should try talking to people who drag race modified FWD cars. They know the best brands to get.

[Cleveland33]

I don't know many people who buy SUVs cause of the 4 wheel or all wheel drive - they buy SUVs cause they prefer them over cars - sitting higher, usually has more power for aggressive driving, the storage capacity - actually that is one to look at, that people think they need the space of an SUV over a sedan

[JayJ350]

Thanks for proving the point OP was making.

Also need to add :

FWD + winter tires > AWD + all seasons in a winter driving scenario.

It's incredible how every view you have is stupid

Reminds me of when you said nobody needs AC, saying it would be a good thing to ban it

[JayJ350]

Should have used a Civic Type R with Michelin X-Ice tires and you would BRUTALLY MOGG that Nissan Rogue Chitbox with All Season Tires on Snow and Ice.

Put snow tires on AWD and it would brutally mog the FWD car with the same tires. Lol @ needing to move the goalpost like that. Whenever I see people driving FWD in the snow they gotta drive slow and struggle.

[PyleShazam]

Op never drove in Canada. Comparing some stupid times on a prepped ice track. Real world we get huge ruts in our drive ways and snow plows leave 1' + snow berms to drive over.

[ShakeBrah]

So many frauding people driving trucks and suvs when all they do is drive on city streets

[MetroBrah]

Have a RWD pick ‘em up truck. I put all terrain tires on it and I can feel a little bit more traction in the rain. Don’t let a little ice get on the road or it’s over for
me tho

[JayJ350]

Op never drove in Canada. Comparing some stupid times on a prepped ice track. Real world we get huge ruts in our drive ways and snow plows leave 1' + snow berms to drive over.

You can tell who has never lived in a snowy climate ITT lol

[Destor]

^^ tfw you have this view

[ballzaak]

Biggest difference is proper snow tires on a vehicle. Next biggest difference is awd/4wd. fwd or rwd is immaterial for me.

AWD is useless until it's below freezing with black ice and snow. When I still lived in NY, having AWD was a game changer. I would see cars struggling in the snow to blow right past them. Winter tires can only do so much. However if you're not in a climate that has a lot of cold weather and snow it's mostly a waste of money. (Super Ded fkn Srs)

This right here. Lake effect snow can ruin a good day.

[Hutrapper]

Op never drove in Canada. Comparing some stupid times on a prepped ice track. Real world we get huge ruts in our drive ways and snow plows leave 1' + snow berms to drive over.

I suppose op wants me to park at the bottom of the giant hill and walk up when it's got a foot of snow on it?

Studded snows and awd turn a long walk into actually getting to my house all winter.

IDK why people bother living in cold climates at all.

I thought that maybe some people are adapted to it but the first thing pasty white people for example do when they get a break from Mr. Noseberg is to go to a sunny beach.

You would think the British for example would be adapted to cold rainy cloudy weather but nope, they all go to Spain whenever they can.

I go further north for winter vacation most years. Doing something different this year and heading to revelstoke bc to ski for a week. 20 feet of snow base. Should be a good time. It's warm all summer here. Have to put up with that chit for long enough

[Zelensky]

Floridacel here. 4wd comes in handy here for traversing flooded roads (happens any time theres heavy rain), driving in sand (the best surfing and fishing spots in my county are best accessed by driving on the beach), and not having your suspension destroyed driving through our potholed roads (thats more ground clearance but anyways).

99.999% of people may not need it but its nice to have.

[elterrible987]

If you live in a area where they plow and salt the streets then you can get by fine with all seasons.

And along the coast it barely snows but a few times a year.


Then for more heavier areas, snow tires make a bigger difference but a lot of people are too lazy to put on snow tires and they think their SUV with all seasons and AWD is enough but you would be better off with FWD and winter tires.