What is the pragmatic step forward for Isr***?

[Dave22reborn]

yep, the world is not on israel's side. all you really have is the jewnited states. sorry schlomo, you had a good run.




time to samson option your self

You really have issues.......

[OPGenesis]

In 100 years, if human development continues, Islam in its current extreme form (seen in certain areas of the Middle East) will cease to exist, much like how historical Christian extremism has largely been eliminated. Every new generation is less religious than the last due to science and technology rapidly changing civilization. People act like nations have fixed identities. They don't.

You bang that world of warcraft girl you were ranting about a couple of weeks ago yet?

[Mercworx]

I’ll actually answer the op. Though what do I know.


It will take a multifaceted approach to removing Hamas and its governmental capabilities.

1.) Kill all the Hamas combatants you can. Adjust future policies to a “kill on sight”. Israel would literally allow Hamas to train out in the open, why??? It allowed Hezbollahs 50k rocket arsenal to grow to 100k again why? Tactical pressure should never be let up.

2.) Israel should lead the humanitarian effort for the Arabs in Gaza. Send as much food and medicine as possible. This allows them screen the aid for weapons but also try to bridge some gap with the Arabs there. It is dangerous and soldiers will die but it’s important Israel lead this. Israel should also (and no **** American is really going to do this) lead with the financial rebuilding effort. Build schools, urgent care, grocery stores etc

3.) Clamp down on settlers and imo remove and withdraw all Israeli citizens from the West Bank. It doesn’t matter if that land was historically Jewish or not. It’s bad optics, waste of money and resources and is turning into a hornets nest with the crazy settlers.

4.) Stop overly relying on technology. It was said there were less than 200 infantrymen along the Gaza border on October 7th. That’s absolutely retarded when there are at least 50k terrorists on the other side. Israel could have prevented this and its current military leadership should be ashamed.

5.) Reject further USA financial Aid. The point of Israel is to be independent and self reliant. It cannot do this when it acts like a junkie who needs it fix for American money.

6.) Wage a PR war campaign against the international Jew. Israel should be a staunch supporter of Europe for Europeans etc. it should rail against mass immigration as much as possible. A destabilizing Europe filled with Muslims is a ****ing terrible thing for Jews living in Europe (for native Europeans too) and for Israel. Keep these savages in their shot holes where they are easier to keep an eye on. Have to Mossad eliminate globalists Jews who support such nonsense.

Point #3 isn’t for the Arabs in the West Bank or even the PLO it’s an offering to the GULF states. Who were warming to Israel.

Offer a formal Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital in exchange for full relation with the Arab League.

Peace between Israel AND the Arab world is THE most effective way to combat Iran. Short of regime change (and we know how those turn out).


Bibi needs to go. His administration is contingent upon radical right wing support. Right wing settlers while no where near as violent as Arabs are still awful cocksuckers who could give a fuk less about peace, their families etc.

[CaliSuperSport]

I'm one of the lefties who generally stands pretty firm with Israel. But it's quite clear that the majority of support in the west is heavily palestine biased. US and UK mainstream political parties are literally losing not-insignificant numbers of voters over this right now. I don't know a single person IRL other than Jews who are supporting Israel.

How does Israel simultaneously
1) Eliminate a terror group who is committed to eradicating Israel regardless
2) Minimise Palestinian casualties in any military operations
3) Regain at least enough favourability among the current Zeitgeist that western govts won't be forced to abandon their commitments

Or will they just say **** it, we have nukes, we'll go it alone?

Stop occupying foreign land, for starters. Allow Jews to live in western countries where they are infinitely safer and not brainwashed into killing Arabs.

No...it's not their land from 2000 years ago. Even according to their own damn holy mythical texts.

[Dave22reborn]

Stop occupying foreign land, for starters. Allow Jews to live in western countries where they are infinitely safer and not brainwashed into killing Arabs.

No...it's not their land from 2000 years ago. Even according to their own damn holy mythical texts.

So every Jew living there should just pack up and leave? And what.......you think it would suddenly be peaceful? That the PLO and Hamas wouldn't go back to killing each other? That it would be advanced as it is today?

And all this nonsense you typed out is rich, since you're also an American.

[OPGenesis]

So every Jew living there should just pack up and leave? And what.......you think it would suddenly be peaceful? That the PLO and Hamas wouldn't go back to killing each other? That it would be advanced as it is today?

And all this nonsense you typed out is rich, since you're also an American.

Dumb cop strikes again with another low IQ post lmao.

Can't make this shyt up.

Nah Piggy, things just need to stay the same. That'll fix it all.

The more Palestinians Israel and America kill and put in concentration camps will surely end in peace, ultimately until Greater Israel is complete.

[CaliSuperSport]

So every Jew living there should just pack up and leave? And what.......you think it would suddenly be peaceful? That the PLO and Hamas wouldn't go back to killing each other? That it would be advanced as it is today?

And all this nonsense you typed out is rich, since you're also an American.

The Zionist project is a complete failure. It cannot be sustained without the victimization of Arabs and Muslims and requires brainwashing a sect of Jews with a radical interpretation of their own scripture to justify. We were supposed to have transcended territorial conquest after WW2 yet we validated this conquest in its wake.

US and Zion instigate the large majority of violence in the Arab world through occupation and regime change. So objectively, yes, it would be more peaceful if westerners stayed the fuk out.

Idk what being American has to do with it. Btw I used to support Israel, then I grew up.

[Mercworx]

The Zionist project is a complete failure. It cannot be sustained without the victimization of Arabs and Muslims and requires brainwashing a sect of Jews with a radical interpretation of their own scripture to justify. We were supposed to have transcended territorial conquest after WW2 yet we validated this conquest in its wake.

US and Zion instigate the large majority of violence in the Arab world through occupation and regime change. So objectively, yes, it would be more peaceful if westerners stayed the fuk out.

Idk what being American has to do with it. Btw I used to support Israel, then I grew up.

I personally agree it was a failure. If I recall there was an offer to set up a Jewish homeland in Australia after WWII. I would have looked around the Middle East at all the **** and then happily taken that deal.

Only objection I have is your misuses religious doctrine. The reality is that Jews are an indigenous people of the Levant and have had a continuous presence in that region. Religion aside.

For me nothing like this is worth innocent children’s lives. Jews could be chilling in Australia right now and instead decided to live around low IQ inbred savages. That was just straight up poor decision making.

[Dave22reborn]

The Zionist project is a complete failure. It cannot be sustained without the victimization of Arabs and Muslims and requires brainwashing a sect of Jews with a radical interpretation of their own scripture to justify. We were supposed to have transcended territorial conquest after WW2 yet we validated this conquest in its wake.

US and Zion instigate the large majority of violence in the Arab world through occupation and regime change. So objectively, yes, it would be more peaceful if westerners stayed the fuk out.

Idk what being American has to do with it. Btw I used to support Israel, then I grew up.

Right, it was nothing but peace in the middle east before Israel....... No violence at all.......

[Dave22reborn]

Dumb cop strikes again with another low IQ post lmao.

Can't make this shyt up.

Nah Piggy, things just need to stay the same. That'll fix it all.

The more Palestinians Israel and America kill and put in concentration camps will surely end in peace, ultimately until Greater Israel is complete.

A bottom feeder such as yourself supporting the biggest bottom feeders in the Middle East...... Not shocked in the least bit.

[OPGenesis]

A bottom feeder such as yourself supporting the biggest bottom feeders in the Middle East...... Not shocked in the least bit.

You're a welfare recipient.

Always remember that.

If the state removed its tit, you'd be finished.

[BullittEV]

The Zionist project is a complete failure. It cannot be sustained without the victimization of Arabs and Muslims and requires brainwashing a sect of Jews with a radical interpretation of their own scripture to justify. We were supposed to have transcended territorial conquest after WW2 yet we validated this conquest in its wake.

US and Zion instigate the large majority of violence in the Arab world through occupation and regime change. So objectively, yes, it would be more peaceful if westerners stayed the fuk out.

Idk what being American has to do with it. Btw I used to support Israel, then I grew up.

Why dont any of the Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Nobody wants them. Saying you used to support Israel, then grew up, is exactly acting like a child.

I think it's comical that if jews were removed from the region that Muslims would be peaceful, I mean, do you really think that or are you trolling?

I personally agree it was a failure. If I recall there was an offer to set up a Jewish homeland in Australia after WWII. I would have looked around the Middle East at all the **** and then happily taken that deal.

Only objection I have is your misuses religious doctrine. The reality is that Jews are an indigenous people of the Levant and have had a continuous presence in that region. Religion aside.

For me nothing like this is worth innocent children’s lives. Jews could be chilling in Australia right now and instead decided to live around low IQ inbred savages. That was just straight up poor decision making.

Howabout we let them fight for the land (again) and stop playing woke "who was there first" games?

[OPGenesis]

Howabout we let them fight for the land (again) and stop playing woke "who was there first" games?

Iran could end the war today by cutting off the Strait of Hormuz, and imploding the global economy via rising energy prices.

Israel wouldn't stand a chance without stealing and subsidization lol.

[CaliSuperSport]

I personally agree it was a failure. If I recall there was an offer to set up a Jewish homeland in Australia after WWII. I would have looked around the Middle East at all the **** and then happily taken that deal.

Only objection I have is your misuses religious doctrine. The reality is that Jews are an indigenous people of the Levant and have had a continuous presence in that region. Religion aside.

For me nothing like this is worth innocent children’s lives. Jews could be chilling in Australia right now and instead decided to live around low IQ inbred savages. That was just straight up poor decision making.

Alot of Jews that use right of return have questionable ethnic ties to that region...Many are the product of European bloodlines over the centuries. There's certainly an argument that Palestinians have more ethnic and cultural ties there

Right, it was nothing but peace in the middle east before Israel....... No violence at all.......

You put words those words in my mouth. I don't ever recall stating there would be no violence if Israelis stopped occupying that land.

Would we have avoided the violent overthrow of Iraq & Libya, the Syrian Civil war, 20 years of occupation in Afghanistan, the ISIS caliphate, the armament of the modern Taliban, and the displacement of millions of Arabs if we didn't commence the GWOT? The correct answer is yes. We're better at killing people than the Arab world, I can assure you of that.

Why dont any of the Arab countries take in the Palestinians? Nobody wants them. Saying you used to support Israel, then grew up, is exactly acting like a child.

I think it's comical that if jews were removed from the region that Muslims would be peaceful, I mean, do you really think that or are you trolling?



Howabout we let them fight for the land (again) and stop playing woke "who was there first" games?

Once again, you guys put words in my mouth. Probably because it's necessary for you to have any argument against me at all...

I did NOT say violence would cease in that region without the US and Zion. We would have eliminated OUR violent acts though by not invading or supporting Israel's apartheid and it would be of lesser scale though. And we wouldn't have bolstered the disastrous generational sectarian violence you see today, where we simultaneously arm wahhabists and corrupt governments who fight each other.

Understanding those dark facts is part of growing up. Believing its good guys (Israel) vs bad guys (terrorists) is being a child. Sorry to inform you.

[BullittEV]

You're a welfare recipient.

Always remember that.

If the state removed its tit, you'd be finished.

As would you.

Iran could end the war today by cutting off the Strait of Hormuz, and imploding the global economy via rising energy prices.

Israel wouldn't stand a chance without stealing and subsidization lol.

That's one strategy.

Once again, you guys put words in my mouth. Probably because it's necessary for you to have any argument against me at all...

I did NOT say violence would cease in that region without the US and Zion. We would have eliminated OUR violent acts though by not invading or supporting Israel's apartheid and it would be of lesser scale though. And we wouldn't have bolstered the disastrous generational sectarian violence you see today, where we simultaneously arm wahhabists and corrupt governments who fight each other.

Understanding those dark facts is part of growing up. Believing its good guys (Israel) vs bad guys (terrorists) is being a child. Sorry to inform you.

Oh ok let me rephrase for you.

I think it's comical that if jews were removed from the region that Muslims would be more peaceful.

Also, let's let them fight it out, as they did before. If theres a dispute over land and you want it, you try and buy it/trade or you go to war. I only guess the winner, this time, will not allow people to stay. Maybe all those peaceful Muslims surrounding Gaza/WB will take all the Palestinians in this time around if Israel wins again.

[Dave22reborn]

You're a welfare recipient.

Always remember that.

If the state removed its tit, you'd be finished.

You're unemployed, the 16 year old who flips burgers has more value than you.

[Dave22reborn]

Alot of Jews that use right of return have questionable ethnic ties to that region...Many are the product of European bloodlines over the centuries. There's certainly an argument that Palestinians have more ethnic and cultural ties there



You put words those words in my mouth. I don't ever recall stating there would be no violence if Israelis stopped occupying that land.

Would we have avoided the violent overthrow of Iraq & Libya, the Syrian Civil war, 20 years of occupation in Afghanistan, the ISIS caliphate, the armament of the modern Taliban, and the displacement of millions of Arabs if we didn't commence the GWOT? The correct answer is yes. We're better at killing people than the Arab world, I can assure you of that.



Once again, you guys put words in my mouth. Probably because it's necessary for you to have any argument against me at all...

I did NOT say violence would cease in that region without the US and Zion. We would have eliminated OUR violent acts though by not invading or supporting Israel's apartheid and it would be of lesser scale though. And we wouldn't have bolstered the disastrous generational sectarian violence you see today, where we simultaneously arm wahhabists and corrupt governments who fight each other.

Understanding those dark facts is part of growing up. Believing its good guys (Israel) vs bad guys (terrorists) is being a child. Sorry to inform you.

All of these overthrows of government and civil wars happened even before the US existed.

And let me guess, there's no "Apartheid" in Arab nations.....

[Dave22reborn]

As would you.



That's one strategy.



Oh ok let me rephrase for you.

I think it's comical that if jews were removed from the region that Muslims would be more peaceful.

Also, let's let them fight it out, as they did before. If theres a dispute over land and you want it, you try and buy it/trade or you go to war. I only guess the winner, this time, will not allow people to stay. Maybe all those peaceful Muslims surrounding Gaza/WB will take all the Palestinians in this time around if Israel wins again.

Hell, Pakistan just booted like 1.7 million Afghans from their country, and nobody even gave a ****.

[OPGenesis]

All of these overthrows of government and civil wars happened even before the US existed.

And let me guess, there's no "Apartheid" in Arab nations.....

Your reasoning is astounding lmao.

[CaliSuperSport]

As would you.

Oh ok let me rephrase for you.

I think it's comical that if jews were removed from the region that Muslims would be more peaceful.

Also, let's let them fight it out, as they did before. If theres a dispute over land and you want it, you try and buy it/trade or you go to war. I only guess the winner, this time, will not allow people to stay. Maybe all those peaceful Muslims surrounding Gaza/WB will take all the Palestinians in this time around if Israel wins again.

I understand that within the scope of what we're shown about the middle east, you'd assume that the Arab world would be a chaotic murderous hellscape without Western influence. But the truth, which is often concealed, is that we've made deliberate and extensive efforts to reinforce radical islam and pit these countries against each other on a larger scale. We toppled a secular leader in Saddam under the guise he was cooperating with our Islamist enemies, for instance.

Add to that the current state of Israel, which since Yitzhak Rabin, has been a racist state that has levied its disproportionate power against Palestine and worked to align with other Arab nations with them in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Egypt used to be on Palestine's side, now they are not. They are among some arab nations who actually reject Palestinian refugees so there's that option off the table as well.

All of these overthrows of government and civil wars happened even before the US existed.

And let me guess, there's no "Apartheid" in Arab nations.....

You're implying that because there was already political strife in that region, that we have license to go in there and make it worse and kill more people than would have died otherwise...And instigate new conflicts and fund head-chopping radical islamists and genocidal Israelis.

NICE ARGUMENT YOU GOT THERE.

[BullittEV]

I understand that within the scope of what we're shown about the middle east, you'd assume that the Arab world would be a chaotic murderous hellscape without Western influence. But the truth, which is often concealed, is that we've made deliberate and extensive efforts to reinforce radical islam and pit these countries against each other on a larger scale. We toppled a secular leader in Saddam under the guise he was cooperating with our Islamist enemies, for instance.

Add to that the current state of Israel, which since Yitzhak Rabin, has been a racist state that has levied its disproportionate power against Palestine and worked to align with other Arab nations with them in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Egypt used to be on Palestine's side, now they are not. They are among some arab nations who actually reject Palestinian refugees so there's that option off the table as well.

No, I dont think it would be a "chaotic murderous hellscape," I just dont think anything would change.

Egypt was never on Palestine's side- otherwise they would have openly embraced these people, but they didn't. Nobody seems to care about that and continues calling Gaza an open air prison.. I guess there's two wardens, then.

Why do you feel the need to tell people who you have nothing in common with on how to live? Israel won the land via war, the Palestinians stayed and went full suicide vest status until a wall was built. Israel's made many mistakes leading up to the war we see today, but I find it comical when people take some weird moral stance on the topic. I have my own opinion on it but it doesnt affect reality- if anyone wants the land- attain it via diplomacy or war, otherwise stop the crying.

[CaliSuperSport]

No, I dont think it would be a "chaotic murderous hellscape," I just dont think anything would change.

Egypt was never on Palestine's side- otherwise they would have openly embraced these people, but they didn't. Nobody seems to care about that and continues calling Gaza an open air prison.. I guess there's two wardens, then.

Why do you feel the need to tell people who you have nothing in common with on how to live? Israel won the land via war, the Palestinians stayed and went full suicide vest status until a wall was built. Israel's made many mistakes leading up to the war we see today, but I find it comical when people take some weird moral stance on the topic. I have my own opinion on it but it doesnt affect reality- if anyone wants the land- attain it via diplomacy or war, otherwise stop the crying.

It would absolutely change dude. Israeli-centric neocons dictated our middle eastern foreign policy for decades which lead to the displacement and murder of millions of arabs. And they've stated as much. The likes of Wormzer, Perle, Wolfowitz, Netanyahu, Feith, Cheney and countless more when you start including Republican think tanks.

Egypt was quite literally allied with Palestinians in the 1948 war dude. And even morrecently they attempted to undermine Israel's blockade of Gaza in 2011. Now...they refuse to accept Palestinian immigrants which debunks the whole "why don't arabs take the palestinians?" argument.

If it weren't for our constant involvement in the ME, there wouldn't be so many damn refugees entering Europe. Which is another false dialectic pushed on conservatives to keep their eyes off the root cause

The irony in you suggesting I'm "telling people how to live" when you're defending the usurpation of that region with a "western democracy" lol...

[BullittEV]

It would absolutely change dude. Israeli-centric neocons dictated our middle eastern foreign policy for decades which lead to the displacement and murder of millions of arabs. And they've stated as much. The likes of Wormzer, Perle, Wolfowitz, Netanyahu, Feith, Cheney and countless more when you start including Republican think tanks.

Egypt was quite literally allied with Palestinians in the 1948 war dude. And even morrecently they attempted to undermine Israel's blockade of Gaza in 2011. Now...they refuse to accept Palestinian immigrants which debunks the whole "why don't arabs take the palestinians?" argument.

If it weren't for our constant involvement in the ME, there wouldn't be so many damn refugees entering Europe. Which is another false dialectic pushed on conservatives to keep their eyes off the root cause

The irony in you suggesting I'm "telling people how to live" when you're defending the usurpation of that region with a "western democracy" lol...

How am I telling anyone how to live? I am saying fight it out... uw0tm8?

The only point I'll agree with you on is our involvement in the ME. Yes, Egypt was allied with the Palestinians, Jordans, Syrians, etc. in 1948, when they lost.. In 1967, when they lost, in 1973, when they lost.. In all that time nobody still wanted the Palestinians.. most likely because they wanted to keep them wedged with Israel so that they didnt have to use their own people to fight. They've never opened their border to these people so I wouldnt very much consider that such a great ally.

Other than that, youre speculating about peace where I'm using history as evidence. Removing all Israeli's (and I guess all the Arab Israeli's as well) from the region will not create any sort of utopian peace (or make things peaceful) based on thousands of years of history.

[BeachPro11]

The fact that any civilized country is fighting over a piece of land because of man made, fake religions created 1000s of years ago is the real mind blowing part. This should not be happening in today's day and age. But the facts are there are 2 main religions in this world that people adhere to most fervently and where its followers are not just happy to be part of that religion but actually want the ENTIRE WORLD to believe in their religion or non believers should be made slaves at best, and killed at worst.

And that is Judaism and Islam. As long as you have those 2 religions around fighting over land that they both believe to be sacred to their religion, living in such close proximity to each other? Neither is going to stop fighting. So to me? The entire premise that this can be stopped is pointless. It can't be. There will never be peace until one of them ceases to exist.

And if and when one religion does emerge victorious? They are just going to go after Christianity. It will never end. They are both cults.

[CaliSuperSport]

How am I telling anyone how to live? I am saying fight it out... uw0tm8?

The only point I'll agree with you on is our involvement in the ME. Yes, Egypt was allied with the Palestinians, Jordans, Syrians, etc. in 1948, when they lost.. In 1967, when they lost, in 1973, when they lost.. In all that time nobody still wanted the Palestinians.. most likely because they wanted to keep them wedged with Israel so that they didnt have to use their own people to fight. They've never opened their border to these people so I wouldnt very much consider that such a great ally.

Other than that, youre speculating about peace where I'm using history as evidence. Removing all Israeli's (and I guess all the Arab Israeli's as well) from the region will not create any sort of utopian peace (or make things peaceful) based on thousands of years of history.

You guys are aguing on a false premise. What' you're arguing for is that WE should have a monopoly on the violence "cuz there would be violence there anywayz". That's not a valid argument. You also continue to put words in my mouth: I did not say violence would cease if the US and Israel pulled out.

And regardless, Arab vs. Arab violence wouldn't be NOT NEARY on the scale (or even between the same belligerents) as when we got involved. The fact of the matter is: we sided with Zio-terrorists because that political ideology had friends in western governments and huge financial backing from bankers. The Arabs did not have those benefits. We also subvert secular governments to further destabilize the region. It's not speculation, it's not conspiracy. It's stated goals and implemented policies of neocons, DoD officials, Israeli prime ministers, and their lackeys.

I'll concede full withdrawal of Israelis is not realistic. What is realistic is a return to the policy of Yitzhak Rabin. But they assassinated him so...

[Dave22reborn]

No, I dont think it would be a "chaotic murderous hellscape," I just dont think anything would change.

Egypt was never on Palestine's side- otherwise they would have openly embraced these people, but they didn't. Nobody seems to care about that and continues calling Gaza an open air prison.. I guess there's two wardens, then.

Why do you feel the need to tell people who you have nothing in common with on how to live? Israel won the land via war, the Palestinians stayed and went full suicide vest status until a wall was built. Israel's made many mistakes leading up to the war we see today, but I find it comical when people take some weird moral stance on the topic. I have my own opinion on it but it doesnt affect reality- if anyone wants the land- attain it via diplomacy or war, otherwise stop the crying.

They keep ignoring the fact that NO Arab nation wants anything to do with the Palestinians except use them as a tool against Israel.

[Dave22reborn]

How am I telling anyone how to live? I am saying fight it out... uw0tm8?

The only point I'll agree with you on is our involvement in the ME. Yes, Egypt was allied with the Palestinians, Jordans, Syrians, etc. in 1948, when they lost.. In 1967, when they lost, in 1973, when they lost.. In all that time nobody still wanted the Palestinians.. most likely because they wanted to keep them wedged with Israel so that they didnt have to use their own people to fight. They've never opened their border to these people so I wouldnt very much consider that such a great ally.

Other than that, youre speculating about peace where I'm using history as evidence. Removing all Israeli's (and I guess all the Arab Israeli's as well) from the region will not create any sort of utopian peace (or make things peaceful) based on thousands of years of history.

These posters and their revisionist history cracks me up. Reminds me of people who believe that Native American tribes lived in peace before the evil white man showed up.....

[BullittEV]

You guys are aguing on a false premise. What' you're arguing for is that WE should have a monopoly on the violence "cuz there would be violence there anywayz". That's not a valid argument. You also continue to put words in my mouth: I did not say violence would cease if the US and Israel pulled out.

Why are we going over this again? I said nothing would change, it wouldnt get more peaceful. Let's move past that.

And regardless, Arab vs. Arab violence wouldn't be NOT NEARY on the scale (or even between the same belligerents) as when we got involved. The fact of the matter is: we sided with Zio-terrorists because that political ideology had friends in western governments and huge financial backing from bankers. The Arabs did not have those benefits. We also subvert secular governments to further destabilize the region. It's not speculation, it's not conspiracy. It's stated goals and implemented policies of neocons, DoD officials, Israeli prime ministers, and their lackeys.

I'll concede full withdrawal of Israelis is not realistic. What is realistic is a return to the policy of Yitzhak Rabin. But they assassinated him so...

Ok well, thats fine you are speculating (that is what youre doing) and I will disagree based on historical fact. I could be wrong, but the % likelihood I am correct is on my side.

Why didnt the Arabs have those benefits? The US is not the only 1st world country in the world. Do we cuck too much to Israel? Yes, but this sounds personal to you, which I am not understanding why.

Again, the Arabs in the ME fought and lost multiple wars specifically over the land. Every "open air prison" in the area is bordered by an Arab country.. They dont want these people and are totally fine letting Israel destroy them.. Iran/Hezbollah too, they dont give AF about the Palestinians.

These people who you seem to be in defense of also scream, "Death to America," so if you think that's smart, go ahead.

[CaliSuperSport]

Why are we going over this again? I said nothing would change, it wouldnt get more peaceful. Let's move past that.



Ok well, thats fine you are speculating (that is what youre doing) and I will disagree based on historical fact. I could be wrong, but the % likelihood I am correct is on my side.

Why didnt the Arabs have those benefits? The US is not the only 1st world country in the world. Do we cuck too much to Israel? Yes, but this sounds personal to you, which I am not understanding why.

Again, the Arabs in the ME fought and lost multiple wars specifically over the land. Every "open air prison" in the area is bordered by an Arab country.. They dont want these people and are totally fine letting Israel destroy them.. Iran/Hezbollah too, they dont give AF about the Palestinians.

These people who you seem to be in defense of also scream, "Death to America," so if you think that's smart, go ahead.

Doubtful broski. We could compare casualties in strictly Arab/Muslim on Arab/Muslim conflicts of the modern era to those that had western involvement. I got a sneaky suspicion who has more blood on their hands and it could be boiled down to sheer military power. You already know who has more of that.

If iran and Hezbollah didn't care about Palestinians, they wouldn't be spending so much wealth and focus on the issue. That is, again, western-centric bias thinking.

[BullittEV]

Doubtful broski. We could compare casualties in strictly Arab/Muslim on Arab/Muslim conflicts of the modern era to those that had western involvement. I got a sneaky suspicion who has more blood on their hands and it could be boiled down to sheer military power. You already know who has more of that.

If iran and Hezbollah didn't care about Palestinians, they wouldn't be spending so much wealth and focus on the issue. That is, again, western-centric bias thinking.

Are you really making the argument that Iran is motivated for the people of Palestine and not the destruction if Israel/America?

Come on. Lmao. If someone told Iran that Israel would be wiped off the map but all the Palestinian people would die with them they wouldnt hesitate and would be cheering that same day.