WFHcels quitting rather than returning to the office. LOL at their entitlement.

[Staller432]

Can't really blame them. The juice ain't worth the squeeze these days. Brb rotting in a windowless cube all day listening to karen and sharon talk about how fat they are for $20/hour no thanks jeff

except it's 200k/year not 20/hr

[raben21]

I never understood what middle management is. What is an example of middle management? And how do you get rid of it without affecting the bottom line?

It's the management "in the middle" between the employees doing the work and the CEO. When you work in an office, your boss's boss's boss's boss's boss is the CEO. Like all work in an office, middle management involves doing absolutely nothing. The higher you climb, the more likely you are to get fired when the company has a bad year.

[Ausaric]

It's the management "in the middle" between the employees doing the work and the CEO. When you work in an office, your boss's boss's boss's boss's boss is the CEO. Like all work in an office, middle management involves doing absolutely nothing. The higher you climb, the more likely you are to get fired when the company has a bad year.

So who in this equation is actually doing the work?

Is middle manager the boss at the office, or their boss, or their boss’s boss?

So nobody in the office is doing work?

And the higher your position, the more likely you are to get laid off?


I’m having a really hard time understanding.

[blueberryboy]

It's the management "in the middle" between the employees doing the work and the CEO. When you work in an office, your boss's boss's boss's boss's boss is the CEO. Like all work in an office, middle management involves doing absolutely nothing. The higher you climb, the more likely you are to get fired when the company has a bad year.

This

It's middle management, not on the executive level

[Visel]

Movement from fully WFH during COVID to hybrid in 2022 was a contributing spark of the flame that pushed me to find something else. Now I'm fully WFH again and make 40%-50% more, srs.

If I was pushed into being hybrid again, I would start hunting for a similar paying fully remote job, or even better paying hybrid job to make all the hassle more worth while.

[raben21]

So who in this equation is actually doing the work?

Is middle manager the boss at the office, or their boss, or their boss’s boss?

So nobody in the office is doing work?

And the higher your position, the more likely you are to get laid off?


I’m having a really hard time understanding.

Think of it like the military. The general gives orders to some people underneath him and then they give that same order to whoever they are in charge of, and then so on and so forth.

I say you're more likely to get fired because you are ostensibly responsible for more. I guess that's not always true, lots of companies just cull the work force but lots of times middle management gets hit also.

Edit: I forgot to answer your question:

So nobody in the office is doing work?

Yeah, no one is doing work. Haven't you seen Office Space?

[TryingMen]

Good, srs.

Quite a few employers are just trying to protect their precious real estate investments with this "back to the office" push.

Wish workcels held this same energy for useless middle management, we might actually be better off.

This. It's all about the real estate investments the CEO's had high stakes in.

LMAO at anyone who thinks it's about getting people to quit so you don't have to fire. Since when has Mr. Noseberg ever been shy about firing his worker bees? Also lol if you think working in office is more productive as Karen spend 6 hours of her 8 hour workday chatting with Susan.

[TheJimmyRustler]

WFH was genuinely the high-point of my career to date. No commute, but I live near a park, so I could go for a nice walk before starting work/on my lunch/after work and even a long stroll would still be shorter than my commute. And that's at it being <1hour door to door, I know of guys who do commutes which can be over 1.5 hours just one way depending on traffic.

Got to make and prepare different foods for lunch that I don't want to spend the time doing when commuting to the job.

Didn't have fuking moron underlings coming to me with stupid questions 24/7 (when they were furloughed in early/mid 2020 - once they were working in-office the dipsh!t emails and Zoom stuff they sent me became infuriating).

Just better peace of mind overall.



It definitely has drawbacks though: easy to become less active, less sociable, etc. Still, it was easily the best I felt about work in almost a decade.

The only people who are angry/annoyed at WFH are (A) jealous boomers who suffered commuting for decades and don't like the idea of people doing it and (B) young idiots who look up to/fall for the sh!t said boomers spew. If it wasn't sad how upset and angry it made them it'd be funny. The most common "reason" given is "well, they won't be as productive!" - as if people are 100% on-task every second they're in the office. Even then, that's what team leaders are there to do - monitor performance and bring it up as part of regular reviews which, shocker, can be done remotely.

There's no good reason to get pissy about WFH other than the one thing it comes down to; jealousy.

[Maestro]

You can automate an officecel. Much harder to automate a tradie. I would recommend every officecel to humble themselves and try to expand their career/job prospects.

No doubt about it. This should go for anyone, always have an updated resume ready to go. Long gone are the days of working a job for 20+ years. Hell, I'd say, anything more than 5 you're most likely doing yourself a disservice because there's higher pay to be made elsewhere.

There are no brownie points for loyalty and there sure as hell aren't any pensions anymore either.

Get the hell out of there the moment you feel like you've done all you can do/learn at that job, and especially jump ship if you start seeing your same job offered for higher pay.

[Ausaric]

Think of it like the military. The general gives orders to some people underneath him and then they give that same order to whoever they are in charge of, and then so on and so forth.

I say you're more likely to get fired because you are ostensibly responsible for more. I guess that's not always true, lots of companies just cull the work force but lots of times middle management gets hit also.

Edit: I forgot to answer your question:


Yeah, no one is doing work. Haven't you seen Office Space?

How does the company make money if no one is doing any work?

[Maestro]

****ing lmao @ wfhcels

Managers forcing people back into the office or face firing is not the flex you think it is. Those people that leave are going to OTHER WFH jobs (most often their previous jobs competitor). The turn-over rate will forever be high at that 100% on-site company especially with the new work force being GenZ (who will rather be homeless than work a job they don't like). Meanwhile all these jobs still offering remote work will retain their staff much longer.

I believe an employee has to stay at a job for 2.5 years for that person to be a net profit for the company (because hiring and training is expensive) but if you're hiring people and they're quitting aft er 9 months-1.5 years then you've got problems.

[Maestro]

How does the company make money if no one is doing any work?

They're doing work, but its the bare minimum at the absolute last minute. At least, thats how it is with 100% on-site roles. For me, I typically have about 4 (maybe 5 hours) of work to do in a day, so when I work from home I bust my ass in the morning and try to get done with everything before lunch so I can just fart around the rest of the day on the misc or getting caught up on a tv show.

But when i'm in the office, I try to spread out that 4 hours of work across the full 8 hours I have to be in the office to make it look like i'm busy. Often spending down time just day dreaming, rage applying to jobs on linkedin or lurking the misc from my phone. Then, i'll finishing my work just in time before its time to go home,

[Staller432]

if you're working a legit 4 hours a day then you're not the problem. the problem are the people doing 4 hours a month, if that.
all those roles are 'make work' to begin with. I highly doubt once they're terminated they will find another 'make work' WFH job

They're doing work, but its the bare minimum at the absolute last minute. At least, thats how it is with 100% on-site roles. For me, I typically have about 4 (maybe 5 hours) of work to do in a day, so when I work from home I bust my ass in the morning and try to get done with everything before lunch so I can just fart around the rest of the day on the misc or getting caught up on a tv show.

But when i'm in the office, I try to spread out that 4 hours of work across the full 8 hours I have to be in the office to make it look like i'm busy. Often spending down time just day dreaming, rage applying to jobs on linkedin or lurking the misc from my phone. Then, i'll finishing my work just in time before its time to go home,

[crupiea]

I worked from home but my experience wasnt the same as most. I didnt really like it.

Never really had a break from work, just went from my desk to the couch. Plus if it was hot I just sat in heat all day as I dont have ac.

Didnt have to clean the toilets or pay the utility bills in the office.

[PimpinisEasy]

I'm never going back.

[OliverHeldens]

Managers forcing people back into the office or face firing is not the flex you think it is. Those people that leave are going to OTHER WFH jobs (most often their previous jobs competitor). The turn-over rate will forever be high at that 100% on-site company especially with the new work force being GenZ (who will rather be homeless than work a job they don't like). Meanwhile all these jobs still offering remote work will retain their staff much longer.

I believe an employee has to stay at a job for 2.5 years for that person to be a net profit for the company (because hiring and training is expensive) but if you're hiring people and they're quitting aft er 9 months-1.5 years then you've got problems.

I don't think you realize the current contraction in the workforce that is taking place. Ending WFH is just the beginning.

[OliverHeldens]

This. It's all about the real estate investments the CEO's had high stakes in.

LMAO at anyone who thinks it's about getting people to quit so you don't have to fire. Since when has Mr. Noseberg ever been shy about firing his worker bees? Also lol if you think working in office is more productive as Karen spend 6 hours of her 8 hour workday chatting with Susan.

They're not shy at all about firing people. But this a simple way to get the lowest producers to quit.

[meanstringbean]

I use to pay $40 a month parking for my officel cube job, gas, car maintenance, more on lunches and coffee because would eat out more, more on nicer clothes, etc that all go away when wfh


All things equal, you save so much more money wfh. Not to mention the time back to do chores, gym, go on a run, make a healthy breakfast.

The best benefit is not dealing with coworkers though. Idk how much the average misc tradie realizes how insufferable the people are in an office environment. Sure if work involved shooting the **** like the old days then I see the benefit. But HR has made basically anything you say or do an offense now so everyone acts like a fake person in the office all the time it’s god damn exhausting. If you work with a good team office work was fun but man if you were with a bunch of neurotic she bosses then it’s hell

[longfellowdeeds]

how is this something to celebrate over? are people clueless

wfh is far superior

[mr.left hook]

****ing lmao @ wfhcels

THIS... Cut their Pay by 25% I have a real hard time trying to reach People that work from
home and they try to make their own hours on TOP of WFH ... SMFH

[Mercworx]

Couldn’t agree more - working from home isn’t work.

Most jobs in the office aren’t work either.


Just lol @ shilling for corporations. Your actual job is to get paid as much as possible for doing as little as possible.

[raben21]

They're not shy at all about firing people. But this a simple way to get the lowest producers to quit.

Just LOL at the idea that there are "high producers" in any cubicle job. Have you ever worked in an office? If you try to "get things done" HR and Legal will be sticking their fingers in everything you do. If you do nothing you'll make the same amount and your bosses will love you.

[longfellowdeeds]

Just LOL at the idea that there are "high producers" in any cubicle job. Have you ever worked in an office? If you try to "get things done" HR and Legal will be sticking their fingers in everything you do. If you do nothing you'll make the same amount and your bosses will love you.

this, i hate being in the office you have to look like you are being "productive" all the time, waste of energy. I get everything done and have no complaints wfh

[Ausaric]

Just LOL at the idea that there are "high producers" in any cubicle job. Have you ever worked in an office? If you try to "get things done" HR and Legal will be sticking their fingers in everything you do. If you do nothing you'll make the same amount and your bosses will love you.

What are you talking about? Can you give an example? You’re saying high producers get in trouble with HR and Legal? Why?

[raben21]

What are you talking about? Can you give an example? You’re saying high producers get in trouble with HR and Legal? Why?

Because being a "high producer" means doing well in whatever way the company is measuring you. It doesn't mean doing a good or thorough job.

Example:

I used to have a job testing things in order to "certify" them. So at the end of the day, I run some tests and then produce some paperwork (a certificate).

We bill the client hourly and the only thing that ever mattered was that you kept billing. In other words, you drag out the job. (Oh my gosh, I thought only UNIONS DID THAT??!)

I would typically get work that I could accomplish in 1-2 hours with a budget of 20-40 hours. If I worked as hard as I could, the entire 30 person department would be dry for work in maybe 2 weeks and the company would make 5% of the money it was making before. Want to get fired? Work as hard as you can.

Edit:

If you killed all this work by being efficient, your boss would look at your "numbers" at the end of the quarter and say "look at all the low billing time you have... you're being unproductive". FKING LOL

[Maestro]

this, i hate being in the office you have to look like you are being "productive" all the time, waste of energy. I get everything done and have no complaints wfh

When you have to be in the office, the trick is to make yourself look busy with the 4 or so hours of work that you have. If you try to be an overachiever or god forbid ASK your boss for more work because you've finished they will give you more work and that will become your new normal. This is a problem because if you suddenly get busy and cannot complete this new workload that has been bestowed upon you, then YOU get in trouble for not being able to complete the work that was never initially assigned to you in the first place!

Not to mention you make other co-workers hate you because they too have been trying to get by with the bare minimum effort, but now that the boss see's you're doing more work then he tries to expect it out of your co-workers. Its just a chitty deal for everyone all around.

[longfellowdeeds]

When you have to be in the office, the trick is to make yourself look busy with the 4 or so hours of work that you have. If you try to be an overachiever or god forbid ASK your boss for more work because you've finished they will give you more work and that will become your new normal. This is a problem because if you suddenly get busy and cannot complete this new workload that has been bestowed upon you, then YOU get in trouble for not being able to complete the work that was never initially assigned to you in the first place!

Not to mention you make other co-workers hate you because they too have been trying to get by with the bare minimum effort, but now that the boss see's you're doing more work then he tries to expect it out of your co-workers. Its just a chitty deal for everyone all around.

yup, I've mastered this already, infact from my previous jobs when I was in college and younger

Ask co workers for some tasks but always stretch current tasks as much as possible

[DustinTheHuss]

I use to pay $40 a month parking for my officel cube job, gas, car maintenance, more on lunches and coffee because would eat out more, more on nicer clothes, etc that all go away when wfh


All things equal, you save so much more money wfh. Not to mention the time back to do chores, gym, go on a run, make a healthy breakfast.

The best benefit is not dealing with coworkers though. Idk how much the average misc tradie realizes how insufferable the people are in an office environment. Sure if work involved shooting the **** like the old days then I see the benefit. But HR has made basically anything you say or do an offense now so everyone acts like a fake person in the office all the time it’s god damn exhausting. If you work with a good team office work was fun but man if you were with a bunch of neurotic she bosses then it’s hell

Yeah it's so hard to have lunch with co-workers these days. The only safe topics you can talk about are travel or weekend plans so it gets quiet and awkward quickly.

[eddiehaskell]

Agreed, it’s a great risk-free way to lean-out your company and slash your labor expense overnight with only a very small drop in overall revenue, gross margins will go through the roof srs.

Lots of these tech companies are bloated anyway, Musk figured that out his first day at Twitter.

These fukin dicks staying at home all day with their cats answering emails and getting on a couple virtual meetings a day for six figures can seriously become homeless drug addicts for all I care. I home their cats die. The companies themselves are to blame for creating this sense of entitlement.

There is a sense among workers that the company should be SOOOOO GRATEFUL to have them.

it's like an efficient way of cutting out the dead weight. can replace 90% of them with more dedicated people which means more money for noseberg and co.

[Sal29]

LOL we demand to "work" from home in our pajamas instead of showing up to the office

Such a smart move by businesses to call their bluff so they quit on their own instead of having to terminate them

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