Will any Trumpers hold him slightly accountable for this situation?

[SillieBazzillie]

Are his own former lawyers also fabricating after they were compelled to give evidence?

Everyone lies but Trump. Every election Trump or cultist don't win is rigged.

They think like children and women...SMH at deplorables.

[Kane_89]

Its amazing how Trump has repeatedly proven that he's one of the worst decision makers we've ever seen, even his own supporters acknowledge that he had some of the worst personnel decisions. Yet they still trust him to make good decisions for the country lol.

Imagine trusting someone as stupid as Trump. After reading the indictment, he might be legit retarded, srs. Like he probably has an actual disability.

[JUSA]

Who is negging the OP?

This is a fairly balanced and nuanced take on the situation from a left-leaning perspective. Meanwhile, dolts like Sillie who are the online equivalent of a drooling retard who can only scream "RACSIT!", "CULTIST!", "REEEE!" have thousands of reps.

Yeah -- OP is right. It's unfair Trump is put under a microscope while other politicians are covered up for very obviously, such as Biden. So then, why did Trump open himself up to this?

IMO the answer probably is that -- with every single action he's taking being investigated, out of the thousands of things he'd done, one or two surely would fall through the cracks. I don't think any of us could withstand that level of scrutiny, it's just we all live in the real world without high-level clearance and our petty mistakes are going 5mph over the speed limit or leaving a bad tip, fairly minor normal-people things.

While I do not think Trump is particularly moral and upright, his almost scam-level of multi-marketing ploys in the past reek of immoral cash-grabbing, at the same time - I do not think he is some evil criminal mastermind monster OR a career politician who made their wealth solely by abusing their power like most of Washington. Compared to them? He's not that bad.

Now, if it turns out anything they have on him is legitimately underhanded schemes to sell secrets or pay-for-play bribery like Biden? Okay, then fuk him. I just don't think a guy already worth billions is going to stick out his neck and risk his freedom for a few million bucks here and there. He's kind of above it, in terms of his wealth.

[JonZ]

What exactly should Trump be held accountable for in this situation?

Is there a precedent for holding Presidents accountable in this situation?

I noticed the retards didn't answer you're question. It's also ( D) ifferent when democrats do it, especially when they don't even have the authority w classified docs.

Hillary has 30k on a server and Ped0Joes been holding onto docs for 40 years.

No fuks given. That's ok.. Biden attributes it to, and I'm quoting " poor packing".

[Kane_89]

I noticed the retards didn't answer you're question. It's also ( D) ifferent when democrats do it, especially when they don't even have the authority w classified docs.

Hillary has 30k on a server and Ped0Joes been holding onto docs for 40 years.

No fuks given. That's ok.. Biden attributes it to, and I'm quoting " poor packing".

Did Biden refuse to return the docs for a year and a half when asked to?

Also Hillary roamed free during four years under Trump.

[MinisterOfLust]

Yes.

[SillieBazzillie]

Did Biden refuse to return the docs for a year and a half when asked to?

Also Hillary roamed free during four years under Trump.

It's astounding the moron cultist still don't understand this. The DOJ tried to handle Trump with kid gloves and he obstructed, lied, and made things difficult.

In other words, he phuked around and found out.

And lol at easily duped JUSA crying about me yet again. He literally cried about reps FFS.

Get bent you CT believing retard.

[JUSA]

Did Biden refuse to return the docs for a year and a half when asked to?

Trump was aware he was under a microscope and Biden surely assumed nobody would care about minor infractions he might have done, so the situations are not quite parallel.

[XterraRob]

For being brazenly corrupt and stupid.

Read the indictment. He ignored and lied to his OWN LAWYER multiple times about these boxes. Dude just kept hiding and moving the boxes from his own lawyers lol

People hire lawyers to keep them out of trouble. If you repeatedly ignore their advice, the trouble you get into is 100% your fault.

You believing he is brazenly corrupt and stupid means he should be held accountable.. for.. what exactly?



Is there a precedent for holding a President accountable for that?

[newtothesite]

Who is negging the OP?

This is a fairly balanced and nuanced take on the situation from a left-leaning perspective. Meanwhile, dolts like Sillie who are the online equivalent of a drooling retard who can only scream "RACSIT!", "CULTIST!", "REEEE!" have thousands of reps.

Yeah -- OP is right. It's unfair Trump is put under a microscope while other politicians are covered up for very obviously, such as Biden. So then, why did Trump open himself up to this?

IMO the answer probably is that -- with every single action he's taking being investigated, out of the thousands of things he'd done, one or two surely would fall through the cracks. I don't think any of us could withstand that level of scrutiny, it's just we all live in the real world without high-level clearance and our petty mistakes are going 5mph over the speed limit or leaving a bad tip, fairly minor normal-people things.

While I do not think Trump is particularly moral and upright, his almost scam-level of multi-marketing ploys in the past reek of immoral cash-grabbing, at the same time - I do not think he is some evil criminal mastermind monster OR a career politician who made their wealth solely by abusing their power like most of Washington. Compared to them? He's not that bad.

Now, if it turns out anything they have on him is legitimately underhanded schemes to sell secrets or pay-for-play bribery like Biden? Okay, then fuk him. I just don't think a guy already worth billions is going to stick out his neck and risk his freedom for a few million bucks here and there. He's kind of above it, in terms of his wealth.

How can you say they are covering up Biden? There are two huge differences… 1, Biden neither showed sensitive information to people without security clearance and defied subpoenas and 2. There is STILL an ongoing investigation into Biden. Maybe he gets charged and perp walked too.

[SillieBazzillie]

You believing he is brazenly corrupt and stupid means he should be held accountable.. for.. what exactly?



Is there a precedent for holding a President accountable for that?

No because no other president has stolen classified documents, refused to return them, lied to the DOJ, and obstructed their attempts to get the docs back. I also doubt any other president waived our classified documents in front of people as a way to look like a big man.

That help you understand why this is different boyo?

[XterraRob]

Reasonable take. Any politician that so brazenly mishandles classified documents and obstructs and lies to the Justice department when they try to get them back needs to be handled the same way.

Up the river with you Orange Moron!

So it's okay to break the law when you're not the President and mishandle classified documents, just as long as you give the classified documents to the FBI?

[Dan_S]

If he was actually revealing classified information, even in a random casual setting, he will have to take his licks for that, but it'll have to be proven in court.

My issue is the left has been so rabid trying to get him, combined with the fraud that was the steel dossier, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the left just fabricated whatever they had to in order to get a conviction. On one hand I want Trump to pay the price if he did break the law, on the other hand idk if I could ever believe anything the left actually presents as evidence at this point.

You realize all classification is derived from the power of the President? Which also means all declassification power is derived from the President.

So now, you tell me, does it make sense that the President would have to have someone in the Executive, who works for him, and has their own classification authority delegated from the President, to sign off on it?

SCOTUS has already ruled that Presidential actions can automatically declassify documents.

On what planet is any of this mishandling of classified material? The material is only classified or declassified based on Presidential delegation of authority.

[SillieBazzillie]

So it's okay to break the law when you're not the President and mishandle classified documents, just as long as you give the classified documents to the FBI?

Apparently so. With presidents they get tons of slack...until they openly phuk with and defy the DOJ.

Then they phuk around and find out. Trump is finding out...

Love this for him.

[SillieBazzillie]

You realize all classification is derived from the power of the President? Which also means all declassification power is derived from the President.

So now, you tell me, does it make sense that the President would have to have someone in the Executive, who works for him, and has their own classification authority delegated from the President, to sign off on it?

SCOTUS has already ruled that Presidential actions can automatically declassify documents.

On what planet is any of this mishandling of classified material? The material is only classified or declassified based on Presidential delegation of authority.

Negative boyo. Like declassifying, the president also has unlimited pardon power. But there's a process in place to follow otherwise WTF would know who was pardoned.

But surely you know more than Jack Smith. The man who will put Trump in jail where he belongs.

buriful.

[XterraRob]

No because no other president has stolen classified documents, refused to return them, lied to the DOJ, and obstructed their attempts to get the docs back. I also doubt any other president waived our classified documents in front of people as a way to look like a big man.

That help you understand why this is different boyo?

I don't see how he did anything wrong.

Sillie, you are losing your mind.

[ParsleyTea]

i don't particularly like Trump as a politician. He isn't receiving my vote in the primary.

This situation though reeks to corruption by the Biden administration. The timing of the charges against Trump comes right after the GOP viewed FBI documents saying Biden looks to have received 5 million dollars in payout.

On top of that I've read some articles from authors I'm more trusting of highlighting how this is a flimsy DA work.

Trump does have a tendency to be his own worst enemy at times. I have seen that too in articles from yesterday. It sounds like this is a situation that could have been avoided by Trump. Considering how the Democrats have been looking for any and every chance to get Trump, I wish the former President had been more careful with the documents and things he has said to others about them.

[SillieBazzillie]

I don't see how he did anything wrong.

Of course you don't. But to regular people, stealing classified documents, lying to the DOJ, obstructing their attempt to get the documents back, etc is a crime.

If Trump were not a former president he'd have been locked up a long long time ago. Look what happens to regular folks caught with classified docs.

[XterraRob]

Of course you don't. But to regular people, stealing classified documents, lying to the DOJ, obstructing their attempt to get the documents back, etc is a crime.

If Trump were not a former president he'd have been locked up a long long time ago. Look what happens to regular folks caught with classified docs.

How much time did Hillary and Joe get for mishandling?

I think President Trump will be just fine, he didn't do anything wrong.

[Kane_89]

You believing he is brazenly corrupt and stupid means he should be held accountable.. for.. what exactly?



Is there a precedent for holding a President accountable for that?

There's no precedent of a president being so open and brazenly corrupt.

If you don't make an example out of a habitual line stepper like Trump, it only encourages more public corruption in the future.

[SillieBazzillie]

How much time did Hillary and Joe get for mishandling?

I think President Trump will be just fine, he didn't do anything wrong.

Weird. A federal indictment with 37 counts says he did plenty wrong boyo.

Aware me how sleepy joe or anyone else obstructed the DOJ when they tried to get the documents back? Trump's sycophant Barr even said all this could have been avoided if Trump hadn't lied and hid the documents he stole.

[Kane_89]

I don't see how he did anything wrong.

Have you ever had a lawyer?

[Dan_S]

How much time did Hillary and Joe get for mishandling?

I think President Trump will be just fine, he didn't do anything wrong.

That's a red herring anyway, because Hillary and Joe both derived their powers at the time from the President.

It's the difference between absolute authority and delegated authority.

[PlanoLifter]

You believing he is brazenly corrupt and stupid means he should be held accountable.. for.. what exactly?



Is there a precedent for holding a President accountable for that?

There may be soon.

But, why does there need to be a precedent? If we needed a precedent for laying criminal charges then no one would ever be held to account for their actions.

[XterraRob]

There's no precedent of a president being so open and brazenly corrupt.

If you don't make an example out of a habitual line stepper like Trump, it only encourages more public corruption in the future.

What corruption did Trump engage in?

[XterraRob]

There may be soon.

But, why does there need to be a precedent? If we needed a precedent for laying criminal charges then no one would ever be held to account for their actions.

When does one decide when there should be precedent? When it's politically convenient?

Trump didn't do anything wrong.

[Kane_89]

What corruption did Trump engage in?

Read the indictment.

[XterraRob]

That's a red herring anyway, because Hillary and Joe both derived their powers at the time from the President.

It's the difference between absolute authority and delegated authority.

It's not a red herring.

Both individuals retained classified information after leaving the administration. Joe had classified documents before serving as VP to Osama bin Obama.

[PlanoLifter]

You realize all classification is derived from the power of the President? Which also means all declassification power is derived from the President.

So now, you tell me, does it make sense that the President would have to have someone in the Executive, who works for him, and has their own classification authority delegated from the President, to sign off on it?

SCOTUS has already ruled that Presidential actions can automatically declassify documents.

On what planet is any of this mishandling of classified material? The material is only classified or declassified based on Presidential delegation of authority.

Executive order EO13526, which reformed the classification system, was signed by Obama and kept in place by Trump, as well as Jack Smith disagree with your argument. From what I can gather POTUS (whilst sitting) can unclassify whatever he wants but there needs to be a papertrail. Surely this papertrail exists ...

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...l1-eo13526.pdf

Have you sent your opinion to Smith - surely he'll see the error of his ways once you do.

[XterraRob]

Read the indictment.

The indictments are just claims, they haven't been proven in a court of law.