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    Are Dips a subs for OHP?

    To work on pushing movements, I'm doing BP, push-ups and OHP. I can't seem to find a comfortable way to perform the OHP.

    Can dips be a substitute for that movement?
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    It's not a good substitute if that's what you're asking, but it's your routine, so you can substitute anything for anything and you're not required to do any particular exercise.

    If you were going to do 3 of those 4 exercises... your routine would be better with BP, dips and OHP (or any OHP variation). But you can do whatever you want.
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    Originally Posted by SaulGuzman View Post
    Can dips be a substitute for that movement?
    No. Try utilizing dumb bells for OHP and have a phrenology exam.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    It's not a good substitute if that's what you're asking
    That's what I was asking, thanks. So I'll look for an alternative to the OHP. I had thought about using the Smith machine, but I heard very negative reviews. Is doing the OHP on the Smith machine really injure-prone?
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    Originally Posted by SaulGuzman View Post
    That's what I was asking, thanks. So I'll look for an alternative to the OHP. I had thought about using the Smith machine, but I heard very negative reviews. Is doing the OHP on the Smith machine really injure-prone?
    Nothing is the same for everyone. You'll know before you get to the point of getting injured if your program is sensible. I'd try a Hammer Strength style OHP machine or seated db OHP before the Smith machine though.
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    You can also incorporate upright rows to your push routine. It's a pull exercise that works your shoulders.
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    IDK why an exercise needs to be "comfortable".
    Do lower weight for a while, get used to it.
    Or do Arnold press, that's pretty much my exclusive press currently.
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    Front raises would be a better substitute, but you're better off doing DB OHP as others have mentioned. You can even do a single DB OHP.
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    Originally Posted by radrd View Post
    Front raises would be a better substitute, but you're better off doing DB OHP as others have mentioned. You can even do a single DB OHP.
    I think if OP is already doing a horizontal press, lateral raises would be better than front raises because bench press already hits the front delts pretty hard. Sometimes even my front delts give out first in bench press, depending on the variation. I typically do full body these days, and when I feel short on time I'll skip shoulder press and do an extra set or two of lateral raises.
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    Originally Posted by jademonkey View Post
    I think if OP is already doing a horizontal press, lateral raises would be better than front raises because bench press already hits the front delts pretty hard. Sometimes even my front delts give out first in bench press, depending on the variation. I typically do full body these days, and when I feel short on time I'll skip shoulder press and do an extra set or two of lateral raises.
    Maybe for you flat bench press and side lateral are enough for front delts, but they aren't generally a good substitute for overhead pressing. An incline bench press at a relatively steep angle would be a decent substitute for overhead press. And overhead press is highly overrated as a complete shoulder movement. Including side and rear delt movements will have much greater benefit than relying on OHP alone for shoulder development.
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