What had Biden done (for those who support him)

[Mark1T]

Goosing the economy, or at least the stock market, a popular if flawed metric of the economy, via artificially low interest rates and tax cuts/breaks isn’t particularly difficult, and that’s what Trump did.

Actually building for sustainable growth and improving upward mobility is much more difficult, and something Trump never did.

Goosing the stock market?

The stock market cannot be manipulated by the president. The stock market's performance is based upon the overall confidence in the market as a composite of stocks.

Reducing interest rates and tax cuts are incentives for businesses to grow, spend for marketing and hiring and increase consumer confidence since prices are lower, as inflation is kept in check. Nothing artificial about it.

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I am not really trying to change anyones minds but folks there used to stay on topic and bring up points that i never considered or even thought about.
Now it is pretty much, " you are a doody face" for thinking differently.
LMAO

I can’t disagree with that. That’s why I rarely go there anymore. Some of that comes to this forum at times, but after a post or two it’s pretty easy just to move on.

It is really hard to defend anyone that you vote (at any city, state, or federal level) for because they work for lobbyists and political donations, not regular folks.

I don’t necessarily agree with this. Most elected officials are local: school board, municipal assembly, county commissioners, small-town mayors, county clerks, state house, state senate, city council. As far as politicians go, such local players are in the vast majority. There are far more of them than there are politicians on the federal level.

The roles on the local level are thankless, long hours, and with very little financial compensation. I believe people, for the most part, do it because they care about their communities, not for personal gain, as there's not much of that to be had.

[x-trainer ben]

I can’t disagree with that. That’s why I rarely go there anymore. Some of that comes to this forum at times, but after a post or two it’s pretty easy just to move on.



I don’t necessarily agree with this. Most elected officials are local: school board, municipal assembly, county commissioners, small-town mayors, county clerks, state house, state senate, city council. As far as politicians go, such local players are in the vast majority. There are far more of them than there are politicians on the federal level.

The roles on the local level are thankless, long hours, and with very little financial compensation. I believe people, for the most part, do it because they care about their communities, not for personal gain, as there's not much of that to be had.

Well a high school buddy was a cop and now is part of the MD state house delegates and was explaining the money/donations connection for his city.
But maybe each state does it very differently

[GrouchyUSMC]

I agree Putin took the retreat from Afghanistan to be a sign that the USA was no longer willing to support its allies. Also, the retreat from Afghanistan was such a disorganized, poorly planned disaster, the incompetence must have encouraged Putin.

President Biden ordered the withdrawal from Afghanistan without consulting with any USA allies, and from that Putin must have felt that Biden was unable to organize the alliance in any meaningful way, nor did Biden seem likely to unify NATO and lead it in a defense of the West.

Putin was wrong. Biden has unified the West in support of Ukraine. He has expanded and strengthened NATO. He has supplied Ukraine to the point where they have a chance in a war against Russia. And he has done this without escalating the conflict or putting American lives in jeopardy.


Biden has been able to

• ⁠Get Russia in to a conflict it cannot win
• ⁠Help an ally fight Russia with advisors and weapons sales
• ⁠Sanction Russia and make them a pariah on the international stage
• ⁠Analyse their fighting ability and expose them for being a sheep in wolf’s clothing
• ⁠Not lose any US troops doing the above.

This is a way to wreck Russia for a generation so we can focus on China.

A few years from now Finland will be able to handle Russia on its own, and the US can be completely focused on China.

We thought we were doing a great job outfitting Russia's enemies during the Soviet-Afghan War but that proved to be a bad idea in retrospect. There's already plenty of evidence of Ukraine forces committing war crimes and ultra-nationalism resulting in a lot of hate crimes. All the while Biden claims to be "all in" yet lets budgetary grants for Ukraine lapse and is holding back certain military equipment because they know full well Ukraine will abuse it.

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We thought we were doing a great job outfitting Russia's enemies during the Soviet-Afghan War but that proved to be a bad idea in retrospect. There's already plenty of evidence of Ukraine forces committing war crimes and ultra-nationalism resulting in a lot of hate crimes. All the while Biden claims to be "all in" yet lets budgetary grants for Ukraine lapse and is holding back certain military equipment because they know full well Ukraine will abuse it.

Concealing our involvement and saving on costs by helping to set up a system of Saudi-backed charities to funnel money and fighters to the mujahideen and in turn, extremist preachers around the world, obviously was the mistake. Not supporting the Mujahideen.

Funding the Mujahideen could still be considered worth it just because of how they helped bring down the Soviet Union. And it isn't wrong to arm people trying to defend the homeland.

The primary cause of 9/11 wasn't funding the Mujahideen; it was US intelligence agencies not sharing information with each other; information which, taken combined, would have allowed them to stop 9/11. And the 20 years after that we spent in Afghanistan falls on Bush being in the business of nation-building.

[NorwichGrad]

I think both Biden and Trump are idiots and neither should run. Younger Candidates are needed, not fossils like those old coots. Their day has passed.

Some people will vote for Biden because he isn't Trump

And some will vote for Trump because he isn't Biden

Some will vote for either Candidate because of the party and that's the way their parents, voted, their pappy, grand pappy and great grand pappy voted.


Stupid but reality!

Not sure if serious. Statism is brain disease. Even if we had young presidents, nothing would change as long as there is the federal reserve. There are no two parties - there is only ONE.

I’m not a Biden supporter but I think in retrospect what will be immensely appreciated by history, but of next to no impact politically, is the NATO response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It simply does not happen without Biden as president. Ukraine has Crimea taken away by force and Obama is simply too new on the world stage to have the standing to round up an international coalition, and Trump would have simple sent troops...to support Russia. But coalition-building is a learned skill, and Biden has had about 128 years of experience.


As far as legislation goes the GOP Trifecta under Trump passed a massive tax cut bill (The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act), a massive deregulation bill (Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act, which gutted Frank-Dodd), and appointed ****loads of judges including two SCOTUS appointees which proved decisive in ending Roe v. Wade and expanding gun rights nationwide. A who's who of republican priorities.

Meanwhile, the Dems passed the American Rescue Plan Act, but almost all of its provisions have expired, been gutted or not renewed. The Dems passed the Infrastructure Bill, but the GOP gutted it of almost every progressive priority in order to pass it through the Senate. The Dems passed the IRA, and the climate provisions are fine for them, but it lost every social safety net element of the original bill and doesn't really address inflation.

Meanwhile, there was no progress on key Dem priorities from social safety net expansion to immigration reform to democracy reform to universal healthcare etc.

The GOP hit their priorities under Trump not because of but in spite of him, and the Dems didn't hit theirs under Biden.

Not sure if serious. NATO and DC are the real aggressors. History will prove this.

I argue so much in the R+P section that i need a break from debating; the chit is exhausting and no one ever changes their minds.
Posters are entrenched and closed minded so it is better to debate sports and best products like lawn mowers, tv's, earbuds, washing machines.

here is the short list, i will check back after the gym.

Here are 23 of Joe Biden’s greatest accomplishments as president of the United States.

1. Passed the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package to increase investment in the national network of bridges and roads, airports, public transport and national broadband internet, as well as waterways and energy systems.

2. Helped get more than 500 million life-saving COVID-19 vaccinations in the arms of Americans through the American Rescue Plan.

3. Stopped a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence by signing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act that created enhanced background checks, closed the “boyfriend” loophole and provided funds for youth mental health.

4. Made a $369 billion investment in climate change, the largest in American history, through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

5. Ended the longest war in American history by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan.

6. Provided $10,000 to $20,000 in college debt relief to Americans with loans who make under $125,000 a year.

7. Cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan.

8. Capped prescription drug prices at $2,000 per year for seniors on Medicare through the Inflation Reduction Act.

9. Passed the COVID-19 relief deal that provided payments of up to $1,400 to many struggling U.S. citizens while supporting renters and increasing unemployment benefits.

10. Achieved historically low unemployment rates after the pandemic caused them to skyrocket.

11. Imposed a 15% minimum corporate tax on some of the largest corporations in the country, ensuring that they pay their fair share, as part of the historic Inflation Reduction Act.

12. Recommitted America to the global fight against climate change by rejoining the Paris Agreement.

13. Strengthened the NATO alliance in support of Ukraine after the Russian invasion by endorsing the inclusion of world military powers Sweden and Finland.

14. Authorized the assassination of the Al Qaeda terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, who became head of the organization after the death of Osama bin Laden.

15. Gave Medicare the power to negotiate prescription drug prices through the Inflation Reduction Act while also reducing government health spending.

16. Held Vladimir Putin accountable for his invasion of Ukraine by imposing stiff economic sanctions.

17. Boosted the budget of the Internal Revenue Service by nearly $80 billion to reduce tax evasion and increase revenue.

18. Created more jobs in one year (6.6 million) than any other president in U.S. history.

19. Reduced healthcare premiums under the Affordable Care Act by $800 a year as part of the American Rescue Plan.

20. Signed the PACT Act to address service members’ exposure to burn pits and other toxins.

21. Signed the CHIPS and Science Act to strengthen American manufacturing and innovation.

22. Reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act through 2027.

23. Halted all federal executions after the previous administration reinstated them after a 17-year freeze.

Not sure if serious. These are all leftist woke commie propaganda and reasons for the fed to keep printing. See my comment to MT above.


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Cmon man. You three all embrace tyranny. Wake up.

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Not sure if serious. NATO and DC are the real aggressors. History will prove this.

lol. We discussed this before in other threads at 5 or 6 times, I guess my argument didn’t leave much of an impression. All of these countries, the majority of whom had either been directly annexed by Russia in the past or who had been some kind of captive nation, joined NATO by their own prerogative. It's not like Clinton sent armies into Poland to bring it into the fold, or bullied and intimidated it into doing so. The Russians just cant come to terms with the fact that their imperial legacy was a massive failure and continues to drive a wedge between them and most of Eastern Europe.

[Redfish225]

Tribalism will distort the results you’re looking for imo op. Most US presidents have done significant things for this country but will be overlooked because of that presidents party. Sadly a lot of elected officials know this and use it to their advantage, Trump has even said it out loud he loves the poorly educated.

I also think that Biden, Trump or Desantis should not be president.

[x-trainer ben]

Tribalism will distort the results you’re looking for imo op. Most US presidents have done significant things for this country but will be overlooked because of that presidents party. Sadly a lot of elected officials know this and use it to their advantage, Trump has even said it out loud he loves the poorly educated.

I also think that Biden, Trump or Desantis should not be president.

Ok then who?
Who you got on your list?

[Redfish225]

Ok then who?
Who you got on your list?

No one

[IronCharles]

I think both Biden and Trump are idiots and neither should run. Younger Candidates are needed, not fossils like those old coots. Their day has passed.

Yep. We don't need nearly senile old guys making critical decisions for the country. The last two Presidents were the oldest in history when they started their terms. And the best presidents were mostly at the younger end of the scale.

[LWW]

All this stuff coming from the guy who is retired and don’t even work.

Go out and find a job 7, it’s fuking ridiculous, I’m talking a professional job, not working at the grocery store.

You can’t even find one in mortgage in the last full year.

That’s how great chit is........

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All this stuff coming from the guy who is retired and don’t even work.

Go out and find a job 7, it’s fuking ridiculous, I’m talking a professional job, not working at the grocery store.

You can’t even find one in mortgage in the last full year.

That’s how great chit is........

I’ve never really had a “real” job, not sure why I should start now.

[mtpockets]

Yep. We don't need nearly senile old guys making critical decisions for the country. The last two Presidents were the oldest in history when they started their terms. And the best presidents were mostly at the younger end of the scale.

100% Charles.

Another typical anti government troll post from the Jehovah Prepper. Sad

I’m talking a professional job, not working at the grocery store.
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Such a condescending post.

Grocery store employees are in a professional real job.

[LWW]

Such a condescending post.

Grocery store employees are in a professional real job.

Not these days.

You are in a little tiny corner of the world. Come to some of the stores around here and you don’t even get a greeting.

But yes you are correct, I really meant a “career” type of work. My bad there Pockets forum Knight.

Managing those stores is a great career but not the positions that are in demand now, they are mostly for young folks getting their feet into the work force.

[IronCharles]

What had Biden done (for those who support him)

[Bando]

Grocery store employees are in a professional real job.

My Daughter works for a large grocer, she busts her ass every day. She's on track to make more than either of us by age 21-22 if she can keep it up.

The produce manager at a local chain here makes 120K a year.

There's a lot of money in food.