What had Biden done (for those who support him)

[bodyhard]

I am all for giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, even if I don't agree with or support said person. I don't wish any ill-will on anyone let alone to the person who is supposably running this country. Do I believe the election was rigged? No I don't, (if it was, we are fcked) do I believe it was manipulated? Yes.

With that said, when Biden won, I congratulated my friends and family who voted for him as obviously I voted for Trump. I also told my friends who voted from Trump, the few I have, to stop acting like fcking bitches, take the loss and give this man a chance as I did.

Moving forward, can anyone here who supported/voted for Biden tell me what he has accomplished thus far becuase for the life of me I can't find anything. I am hoping he has done SOME good, but maybe I am not researching deep enough.

So, the floor is yours (Please let me know without bringing up Trump, he is out)

[SPP1]

[mtpockets]

I think both Biden and Trump are idiots and neither should run. Younger Candidates are needed, not fossils like those old coots. Their day has passed.

Some people will vote for Biden because he isn't Trump

And some will vote for Trump because he isn't Biden

Some will vote for either Candidate because of the party and that's the way their parents, voted, their pappy, grand pappy and great grand pappy voted.


Stupid but reality!

[SPP1]

I think both Biden and Trump are idiots and neither should run. Younger Candidates are needed, not fossils like those old coots. Their day has passed.

Some people will vote for Biden because he isn't Trump

And some will vote for Trump because he isn't Biden

Some will vote for either Candidate because of the party and that's the way their parents, voted, their pappy, grand pappy and great grand pappy voted.


Stupid but reality!

Thoughts on RFK Jr?

[Postmort3m]

Doesn’t help, and not what you are seeking, but a cannot come up with one single thing that makes me think, “yeah- he’s earned another 4 years”.

In any business you can think of, his contract would not be renewed.

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I’m not a Biden supporter but I think in retrospect what will be immensely appreciated by history, but of next to no impact politically, is the NATO response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It simply does not happen without Biden as president. Ukraine has Crimea taken away by force and Obama is simply too new on the world stage to have the standing to round up an international coalition, and Trump would have simple sent troops...to support Russia. But coalition-building is a learned skill, and Biden has had about 128 years of experience.


As far as legislation goes the GOP Trifecta under Trump passed a massive tax cut bill (The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act), a massive deregulation bill (Economic Growth, Regulatory Relief and Consumer Protection Act, which gutted Frank-Dodd), and appointed ****loads of judges including two SCOTUS appointees which proved decisive in ending Roe v. Wade and expanding gun rights nationwide. A who's who of republican priorities.

Meanwhile, the Dems passed the American Rescue Plan Act, but almost all of its provisions have expired, been gutted or not renewed. The Dems passed the Infrastructure Bill, but the GOP gutted it of almost every progressive priority in order to pass it through the Senate. The Dems passed the IRA, and the climate provisions are fine for them, but it lost every social safety net element of the original bill and doesn't really address inflation.

Meanwhile, there was no progress on key Dem priorities from social safety net expansion to immigration reform to democracy reform to universal healthcare etc.

The GOP hit their priorities under Trump not because of but in spite of him, and the Dems didn't hit theirs under Biden.

[mtpockets]

Thoughts on RFK Jr?

I don't have any thoughts on him. I don't know enough about him to have an informed opinion. Probably couldn't even point him out in a crowd lol


How about you?

[SPP1]

I don't have any thoughts on him. I don't know enough about him to have an informed opinion. Probably couldn't even point him out in a crowd lol


How about you?

I've listened to many hours of interviews. I like him.

He's a Democrat, but today's Democrats will probably call him far right.

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I don't have any thoughts on him. I don't know enough about him to have an informed opinion. Probably couldn't even point him out in a crowd lol


How about you?

His lane is this cycle's Tulsi Gabbard: a 'Democrat' Republicans and Republican leaning independents will point to say that if only Democrats were more like that Democrat, they would consider voting for them. This will in turn create a lot of appearances and money for RFK Jr as he goes around the conservative circuit.

[SPP1]

His lane is this cycle's Tulsi Gabbard: a 'Democrat' Republicans and Republican leaning independents will point to say that if only Democrats were more like that Democrat, they would consider voting for them. This will in turn create a lot of appearances and money for RFK Jr as he goes around the conservative circuit.

See? It's already started.

[bodyhard]

So thus far no takers on his accomplishments huh?

[tadpole25]

If you want an answer: I like that he withdrew from Afghanistan and reinvested the money into infrastructure. Something that the past few presidents have promised, and never delivered on.

Microchip act, right to repair and capping insulin costs are bonuses too.

[bodyhard]

If you want an answer: I like that he withdrew from Afghanistan and reinvested the money into infrastructure. Something that the past few presidents have promised, and never delivered on.

Microchip act, right to repair and capping insulin costs are bonuses too.

The way he removed the troops from Afghanistan was a disaster, he could have done it in a more proactive way, it was too reactive. Did he really invest money into infrastructure or is that hearsay? I can't comment on something I don't know.

What is the Microchip act and right to repair?

[Mark1T]

So thus far no takers on his accomplishments huh?

No direct answers may be your answer. Another question would be: What has Biden fukked up?

There is more division in this country than in our entire history. Seems the politicians in unison with the media majority want us divided and at each other's throats, instead of compromising and working together. They make more money with division. More stories, more outrage, etc...

[tadpole25]

The way he removed the troops from Afghanistan was a disaster

Yes, it was a huge political fallout and messy execution. But on a macro level he did it and was willing to sacrifice his approval rating to do what he felt was right. It was going to be a disaster regardless, but better to end it sooner than later. It's a sunk-cost fallacy.

he could have done it in a more proactive way, it was too reactive. Did he really invest money into infrastructure or is that hearsay?

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act of 2021. It received bipartisan support. The past several presidents never passed infrastructure bills of this magnitude even when their parties had a majority in Congress, yet Biden passes this through a a divided 50-50 Senate.

What is the Microchip act and right to repair?

You can google it, but Chips and Science Act. And Right to repair is the legal right for users to be able to service their own technology.

[tadpole25]

There is more division in this country than in our entire history.

Debatable. The past 3 presidents have all received intense hatred from the opposing party too. We're just less aware of it because it's in the past; out of sight, out of mind.

[Mark1T]

Debatable. The past 3 presidents have all received intense hatred from the opposing party too. We're just less aware of it because it's in the past; out of sight, out of mind.

Not a very good argument and your "less aware of it" comment is merely bullshiit. BTW, I am not referring to opposing parties. I am referring to the general public. Thought that was clear.

[tadpole25]

Question: How do you measure or quantify something like division amongst the general public?

[LWW]

Probably couldn't even point him out in a crowd lol

If you know the Kennedy eyes, than you’d spot him.


I’m not a Brandan supporter but one good thing he’s done is divide congress, to me a split party Congress is good.

But I’m done with voting anyway.

[x-trainer ben]

I argue so much in the R+P section that i need a break from debating; the chit is exhausting and no one ever changes their minds.
Posters are entrenched and closed minded so it is better to debate sports and best products like lawn mowers, tv's, earbuds, washing machines.

here is the short list, i will check back after the gym.

Here are 23 of Joe Biden’s greatest accomplishments as president of the United States.

1. Passed the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package to increase investment in the national network of bridges and roads, airports, public transport and national broadband internet, as well as waterways and energy systems.

2. Helped get more than 500 million life-saving COVID-19 vaccinations in the arms of Americans through the American Rescue Plan.

3. Stopped a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence by signing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act that created enhanced background checks, closed the “boyfriend” loophole and provided funds for youth mental health.

4. Made a $369 billion investment in climate change, the largest in American history, through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

5. Ended the longest war in American history by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan.

6. Provided $10,000 to $20,000 in college debt relief to Americans with loans who make under $125,000 a year.

7. Cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan.

8. Capped prescription drug prices at $2,000 per year for seniors on Medicare through the Inflation Reduction Act.

9. Passed the COVID-19 relief deal that provided payments of up to $1,400 to many struggling U.S. citizens while supporting renters and increasing unemployment benefits.

10. Achieved historically low unemployment rates after the pandemic caused them to skyrocket.

11. Imposed a 15% minimum corporate tax on some of the largest corporations in the country, ensuring that they pay their fair share, as part of the historic Inflation Reduction Act.

12. Recommitted America to the global fight against climate change by rejoining the Paris Agreement.

13. Strengthened the NATO alliance in support of Ukraine after the Russian invasion by endorsing the inclusion of world military powers Sweden and Finland.

14. Authorized the assassination of the Al Qaeda terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, who became head of the organization after the death of Osama bin Laden.

15. Gave Medicare the power to negotiate prescription drug prices through the Inflation Reduction Act while also reducing government health spending.

16. Held Vladimir Putin accountable for his invasion of Ukraine by imposing stiff economic sanctions.

17. Boosted the budget of the Internal Revenue Service by nearly $80 billion to reduce tax evasion and increase revenue.

18. Created more jobs in one year (6.6 million) than any other president in U.S. history.

19. Reduced healthcare premiums under the Affordable Care Act by $800 a year as part of the American Rescue Plan.

20. Signed the PACT Act to address service members’ exposure to burn pits and other toxins.

21. Signed the CHIPS and Science Act to strengthen American manufacturing and innovation.

22. Reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act through 2027.

23. Halted all federal executions after the previous administration reinstated them after a 17-year freeze.

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I argue so much in the R+P section that i need a break from debating; the chit is exhausting and no one ever changes their minds.

Arguing with someone online about religion, politics, etc. with the idea they are going to change their mind is usually pointless. If someone gets to the point that they’re willing to argue with someone else online, there is a good chance their mind is already made up. That’s why they’re looking for an argument; not to consider new views, but to convince others that their views are correct. Add onto that, the argument being online gives them instant access to whatever facts or anecdotes they need to “support” their argument, plus internet anonymity, and it just increases the pointlessness exponentially. I imagine this is is the case of 99% of the regular posters in the R&P.

So if changing minds is a goal of yours, the target audience isn't the person you’re arguing with. It's the people following the argument who aren't saying anything. No different than a real political debate on stage, really. Biden isn't changing Trump's mind about anything. He's trying to change the minds of the people watching the debate.

[Postmort3m]

Biden isn't changing Trump's mind about anything. He's trying to change the minds of the people watching the debate.

That would require stringing together a couple of coherent sentences

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That would require stringing together a couple of coherent sentences

While I certainly wish the White House wasn’t a really expensive retirement home, it’s possible to acknowledge Biden’s age and the cognitive conditions that accompany it without pretending like the guy can't even remember his own name or that the 2020 alternative was any better.

Unfortunately the issue of Biden's age will again be mitigated in 2024 by running against Donald Trump. While Trump is slightly more comfortable in front of a crowd of his sycophants, all of Biden's "grandpa moments" will be offset by the weekly "look at the stupid/f*cked up thing that Trump said" and it will be cancelled out on both sides. All Biden needs to do is indicate he has a keener political mind, which against President Trump is not a difficult thing to do.

Against just about any other younger Republican, Biden gets destroyed at the retail politics level.

[LWW]

I argue so much in the R+P section that i need a break from debating; the chit is exhausting and no one ever changes their minds.
Posters are entrenched and closed minded so it is better to debate sports and best products like lawn mowers, tv's, earbuds, washing machines.

here is the short list, i will check back after the gym.

Here are 23 of Joe Biden’s greatest accomplishments as president of the United States.

1. Passed the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package to increase investment in the national network of bridges and roads, airports, public transport and national broadband internet, as well as waterways and energy systems.

2. Helped get more than 500 million life-saving COVID-19 vaccinations in the arms of Americans through the American Rescue Plan.

3. Stopped a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence by signing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act that created enhanced background checks, closed the “boyfriend” loophole and provided funds for youth mental health.

4. Made a $369 billion investment in climate change, the largest in American history, through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

5. Ended the longest war in American history by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan.

6. Provided $10,000 to $20,000 in college debt relief to Americans with loans who make under $125,000 a year.

7. Cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan.

8. Capped prescription drug prices at $2,000 per year for seniors on Medicare through the Inflation Reduction Act.

9. Passed the COVID-19 relief deal that provided payments of up to $1,400 to many struggling U.S. citizens while supporting renters and increasing unemployment benefits.

10. Achieved historically low unemployment rates after the pandemic caused them to skyrocket.

11. Imposed a 15% minimum corporate tax on some of the largest corporations in the country, ensuring that they pay their fair share, as part of the historic Inflation Reduction Act.

12. Recommitted America to the global fight against climate change by rejoining the Paris Agreement.

13. Strengthened the NATO alliance in support of Ukraine after the Russian invasion by endorsing the inclusion of world military powers Sweden and Finland.

14. Authorized the assassination of the Al Qaeda terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, who became head of the organization after the death of Osama bin Laden.

15. Gave Medicare the power to negotiate prescription drug prices through the Inflation Reduction Act while also reducing government health spending.

16. Held Vladimir Putin accountable for his invasion of Ukraine by imposing stiff economic sanctions.

17. Boosted the budget of the Internal Revenue Service by nearly $80 billion to reduce tax evasion and increase revenue.

18. Created more jobs in one year (6.6 million) than any other president in U.S. history.

19. Reduced healthcare premiums under the Affordable Care Act by $800 a year as part of the American Rescue Plan.

20. Signed the PACT Act to address service members’ exposure to burn pits and other toxins.

21. Signed the CHIPS and Science Act to strengthen American manufacturing and innovation.

22. Reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act through 2027.

23. Halted all federal executions after the previous administration reinstated them after a 17-year freeze.

Climate change agenda is only an accomplishment for the globalist. Play our game or be ridiculed. I guess you can say his accomplishment here is to be liked and accepted in the cool kids circle.

You will be forced to buy their products and it won’t do chit to solve any “climate change”. I told you once Ben gubmit is the people’s competition.

[GrouchyUSMC]

I’m not a Biden supporter but I think in retrospect what will be immensely appreciated by history, but of next to no impact politically, is the NATO response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. It simply does not happen without Biden as president. Ukraine has Crimea taken away by force and Obama is simply too new on the world stage to have the standing to round up an international coalition, and Trump would have simple sent troops...to support Russia. But coalition-building is a learned skill, and Biden has had about 128 years of experience.

People generally do not think Biden handled the Russian invasion of Ukraine appropriately. This was basically what happened.



Putin knows Biden is weak so he doesn't care.

[GrouchyUSMC]

Yes, it was a huge political fallout and messy execution. But on a macro level he did it and was willing to sacrifice his approval rating to do what he felt was right. It was going to be a disaster regardless, but better to end it sooner than later. It's a sunk-cost fallacy.

He didn't listen to the military and kept pushing to have everyone out by the 20th anniversary just for political purposes. Yes it had to happen but the way it was carried out was absolute idiocy. One of the first things they did was pull out all the contractors which grounded the Afghan Air Force which was the only thing the Taliban feared. We gave up Bagram and all its security for the Kabul airport which was a logistical nightmare and a serious strategic flub. And Biden still refuses to accept blame for it, he just keeps pointing the finger towards Trump and "his deal", which never had to be honored because a peace agreement was never reached. US troops would only withdraw if peace was agreed upon.

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People generally do not think Biden handled the Russian invasion of Ukraine appropriately. This was basically what happened.



Putin knows Biden is weak so he doesn't care.

I agree Putin took the retreat from Afghanistan to be a sign that the USA was no longer willing to support its allies. Also, the retreat from Afghanistan was such a disorganized, poorly planned disaster, the incompetence must have encouraged Putin.

President Biden ordered the withdrawal from Afghanistan without consulting with any USA allies, and from that Putin must have felt that Biden was unable to organize the alliance in any meaningful way, nor did Biden seem likely to unify NATO and lead it in a defense of the West.

Putin was wrong. Biden has unified the West in support of Ukraine. He has expanded and strengthened NATO. He has supplied Ukraine to the point where they have a chance in a war against Russia. And he has done this without escalating the conflict or putting American lives in jeopardy.


Biden has been able to

• ⁠Get Russia in to a conflict it cannot win
• ⁠Help an ally fight Russia with advisors and weapons sales
• ⁠Sanction Russia and make them a pariah on the international stage
• ⁠Analyse their fighting ability and expose them for being a sheep in wolf’s clothing
• ⁠Not lose any US troops doing the above.


This is a way to wreck Russia for a generation so we can focus on China.

A few years from now Finland will be able to handle Russia on its own, and the US can be completely focused on China.

[x-trainer ben]

Arguing with someone online about religion, politics, etc. with the idea they are going to change their mind is usually pointless. If someone gets to the point that they’re willing to argue with someone else online, there is a good chance their mind is already made up. That’s why they’re looking for an argument; not to consider new views, but to convince others that their views are correct. Add onto that, the argument being online gives them instant access to whatever facts or anecdotes they need to “support” their argument, plus internet anonymity, and it just increases the pointlessness exponentially. I imagine this is is the case of 99% of the regular posters in the R&P.

So if changing minds is a goal of yours, the target audience isn't the person you’re arguing with. It's the people following the argument who aren't saying anything. No different than a real political debate on stage, really. Biden isn't changing Trump's mind about anything. He's trying to change the minds of the people watching the debate.

I am not really trying to change anyones minds but folks there used to stay on topic and bring up points that i never considered or even thought about.
Now it is pretty much, " you are a doody face" for thinking differently.
LMAO

It is really hard to defend anyone that you vote (at any city, state, or federal level) for because they work for lobbyists and political donations, not regular folks.

[Deathstroke]

When trump was president everything was cheap. Gas, housing, food, etc. now it’s outrageous. I don’t think he can automatically undo everything Biden has done to skyrocket costs but Trump would be a huge step forward in the right direction. Add to the economic improvements there’s war. Trump doesn’t want to take us to war whereas Biden does and my governor might even go along with.

Biden has done nothing right. Continues not to.

People who hate trump are willing to pay more of their money tor even the basic needs and are also willing to die in a war even nuclear as long as he’s kept out. Some of them need to swallow their pride snd do what is best for the economy and their future and their family /children’s future.

I’d definitely vote dem if I thought it meant peace and more money for us average Americans.

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When trump was president everything was cheap. Gas, housing, food, etc. now it’s outrageous. I don’t think he can automatically undo everything Biden has done to skyrocket costs but Trump would be a huge step forward in the right direction.

Goosing the economy, or at least the stock market, a popular if flawed metric of the economy, via artificially low interest rates and tax cuts/breaks isn’t particularly difficult, and that’s what Trump did.

Actually building for sustainable growth and improving upward mobility is much more difficult, and something Trump never did.