Russia vs Ukraine Thread VIII- Spring Thaw Time to Withdraw

[phaginator]

We won't. How can we credibly attack after that? That would be risking the existence of NATO over the smoldering heap that would be left of Ukraine. Why would we?

Biden literally said that if Russia used nukes, it will be forced to intervene, other officials also implied the same stance. Using nukes is a red line, not only for the US but other european powers too. France and UK also have their own nuclear arsenal.

I don't believe that's true. Given the current political dialogue around China, it is clear the US is gearing up for a major confrontation. There is a reason China didn't freeze out Russia. They need good relations with Russia and also are deeply ideologically opposed to us. China would condemn the attack, but if forced to pick a side, after some bitching and moaning, it would side with Russia. Ditto for India.

Lol fck no, India will never side with a team where China is in. Also India is part of new defense treaties with the west to counter China. In the case of russia using nukes, the best scenario is India will stay neutral but I doubt it will... And China will probably condemn it but I strongly doubt it will publicly side with Russia.

Also, you underestimate Russia's will to be isolated. They can survive in isolation. It's not something they want, but if they capture Ukraine, Russia is essentially fully self reliant. They could just sit there and put up a new Iron Curtain.

Sure they're self reliant on the basics. But what about chips, etc? They will be unable to upgrade their military tech and will fall even further behind.


Sorry bro, Russia long term has ZERO chance of winning it. Using nukes is political suicide at best and worst case NATO will attack Russia.

[Stalinshugedick]

Biden literally said that if Russia used nukes, it will be forced to intervene, other officials also implied the same stance. Using nukes is a red line, not only for the US but other european powers too. France and UK also have their own nuclear arsenal.


Lol fck no, India will never side with a team where China is in. Also India is part of new defense treaties with the west to counter China. In the case of russia using nukes, the best scenario is India will stay neutral but I doubt it will... And China will probably condemn it but I strongly doubt it will publicly side with Russia.



Sure they're self reliant on the basics. But what about chips, etc? They will be unable to upgrade their military tech and will fall even further behind.


Sorry bro, Russia long term has ZERO chance of winning it. Using nukes is political suicide at best and worst case NATO will attack Russia.

Yeah but how would we intervene? We could enter Ukraine, but he would just nuke more and violate all the rules. We could threaten a nuclear attack on Russia, but it would be an empty non credible threat.

India and China are currently on Russia's team. It's not an enemy of my enemy situation. Both closely partner with Russia and need it more than the US.

Well, regarding modern tech, if China doesn't alienate Russia, they could get it from them. At best, NATO would attack in Ukraine. We can't attack Russia directly without risking annihilation.

I'm not sure what "winning" even looks like for Russia at this point. I agree they lose. They lose because conquering and holding Ukraine is impossible, and the longer this war goes, the more hostile what is left of Ukraine will be. The region will be unstable for decades. Even if Putin nukes, he will still face insurgencies and resistance for decades to come. He might even be overthrown at home.

But Ukraine also loses. They won't be able to reclaim their territory. And there is a very real danger of everything going sideways.

And of course, we lose because in our hubris, we have destabilized the entire planet.

Russia could formally end the war on terrible terms, ruining a huge amount of Ukraine and forcibly trying to hold what is left. And we could invade and try to push him out, but the damage will be done. The best way out of this is Ukraine agreeing to give up some territory. But that won't happen because muh nationalism. There's also zero trust here. So yea. We are all fuked.

[MotorcycleBrah]

Yeah but how would we intervene? We could enter Ukraine, but he would just nuke more and violate all the rules. We could threaten a nuclear attack on Russia, but it would be an empty non credible threat.

India and China are currently on Russia's team. It's not an enemy of my enemy situation. Both closely partner with Russia and need it more than the US.

Well, regarding modern tech, if China doesn't alienate Russia, they could get it from them. At best, NATO would attack in Ukraine. We can't attack Russia directly without risking annihilation.

I'm not sure what "winning" even looks like for Russia at this point. I agree they lose. They lose because conquering and holding Ukraine is impossible, and the longer this war goes, the more hostile what is left of Ukraine will be. The region will be unstable for decades. Even if Putin nukes, he will still face insurgencies and resistance for decades to come. He might even be overthrown at home.

But Ukraine also loses. They won't be able to reclaim their territory. And there is a very real danger of everything going sideways.

And of course, we lose because in our hubris, we have destabilized the entire planet.

Bro, russia will capitulate before using a nuke. They know how that would go out. Forget about US, the nukes in Europe alone are enough to turn Russia's major cities into dust. And not only the US, also China and India would immediately join the beating if nukes are being started to be used again.

[Stalinshugedick]

Bro, russia will capitulate before using a nuke. They know how that would go out. Forget about US, the nukes in Europe alone are enough to turn Russia's major cities into dust. And not only the US, also China and India would immediately join the beating if nukes are being started to be used again.

Why do you think anyone would nuke on behalf of Ukraine? It's completely irrational and not credible.

You know what Trump's negotiation will be? It's very simple. Russia halts its advance, keeps part of Donbass and Crimea, and pays reparations or we give Ukraine nukes. And on the other side, we tell Ukraine we won't fund them anymore if they push. We give Ukraine a security guarantee, but agree never to expand NATO ever again to Russia. Problem solved. War ends in 24 hrs.

Putin won't call the bluff. Because the risk of nuclear terrorism from Ukraine on Russia is greater than whatever he can try to swing to compensate. And he will not get what he wants, but he will get what he needs.

[phaginator]

Why do you think anyone would nuke on behalf of Ukraine? It's completely irrational and not credible.

You know what Trump's negotiation will be? It's very simple. Russia halts its advance, keeps part of Donbass and Crimea, and pays reparations or we give Ukraine nukes. And on the other side, we tell Ukraine we won't fund them anymore if they push. We give Ukraine a security guarantee, but agree never to expand NATO ever again to Russia. Problem solved. War ends in 24 hrs.

Putin won't call the bluff. Because the risk of nuclear terrorism from Ukraine on Russia is greater than whatever he can try to swing to compensate. And he will not get what he wants, but he will get what he needs.

The west will have to react if nukes are used, it doesn't have anything to do with Ukraine. Using nukes for anything is just a clear red line most countries in the world will not tolerate be it Russia or anyone else. And you're huffing extreme copium if you think India will still support Russia after nukes, doubt even China wants to since most of their trade and GDP relies on the west.

The nuke scenario has a very low probability.

Like I said, Poots only hope is if Trump gets re elected and even then it's not clear how much Trump will give in. But if Trump does not get re elected, it's game over for Russia.

[devopsengineer]

Bro, russia will capitulate before using a nuke. They know how that would go out. Forget about US, the nukes in Europe alone are enough to turn Russia's major cities into dust. And not only the US, also China and India would immediately join the beating if nukes are being started to be used again.

Lol, you are soo into your nazi hatred for Russians that you lost all common sense and sense of self-preservation.

In reality nobody will flinch if Ukraine gets nuked, USA would declare new sanctions and that is it. They don't want to get nuked because of Ukraine.

Also, they would not get into nuklear war even if Germany (and poland) gets nuked. And France wouldn't get into war either, in fact they would be glad you are nuked. Same goes for England.

Nobody wants to risk their security for some stinky retards.

Because if they do, they would get destroyed, completely. Few survivors would be nomads, living the 10th century lifestyle. Nobody wants that. Except stupid Germans. That is why you lost all wars and you are still occupied, because your nazi hatred clouds your reason. You should all be put into institution.

[AlwaysFocus]

Lol, you are soo into your nazi hatred for Russians that you lost all common sense and sense of self-preservation.

In reality nobody will flinch if Ukraine gets nuked, USA would declare new sanctions and that is it. They don't want to get nuked because of Ukraine.

Also, they would not get into nuklear war even if Germany (and poland) gets nuked. And France wouldn't get into war either, in fact they would be glad you are nuked. Same goes for England.

Nobody wants to risk their security for some stinky retards.

Because if they do, they would get destroyed, completely. Few survivors would be nomads, living the 10th century lifestyle. Nobody wants that. Except stupid Germans. That is why you lost all wars and you are still occupied, because your nazi hatred clouds your reason. You should all be put into institution.

repped for truth

[PimpinisEasy]

No you utter retard I said GDP is on par with Ruzzia.



And I didn't say anything about Kherson, but good to know you still didn't digest that trauma of Ruski's humiliating retreat.


You're the low IQ durka who said Ruzzia has more industrial capacity than the west, even your fellow vatniks on kremlin tv disagree.

lol walking it back now... that awkward moment when belligerent emotion driven comments get modulated by reality.

[phaginator]

Lol, you are soo into your nazi hatred for Russians that you lost all common sense and sense of self-preservation.

In reality nobody will flinch if Ukraine gets nuked, USA would declare new sanctions and that is it. They don't want to get nuked because of Ukraine.

Also, they would not get into nuklear war even if Germany (and poland) gets nuked. And France wouldn't get into war either, in fact they would be glad you are nuked. Same goes for England.

Nobody wants to risk their security for some stinky retards.

Because if they do, they would get destroyed, completely. Few survivors would be nomads, living the 10th century lifestyle. Nobody wants that. Except stupid Germans. That is why you lost all wars and you are still occupied, because your nazi hatred clouds your reason. You should all be put into institution.

Damn vatniks are so desperate right now they actually think the nuclear scenario is a possibility.

Strong cope.

[Stalinshugedick]

The west will have to react if nukes are used, it doesn't have anything to do with Ukraine. Using nukes for anything is just a clear red line most countries in the world will not tolerate be it Russia or anyone else. And you're huffing extreme copium if you think India will still support Russia after nukes, doubt even China wants to since most of their trade and GDP relies on the west.

The nuke scenario has a very low probability.

Like I said, Poots only hope is if Trump gets re elected and even then it's not clear how much Trump will give in. But if Trump does not get re elected, it's game over for Russia.

Probability was high enough that our DNI warned congress about it...Even McFaul says he worries about it. It's unlikely, but not impossible.

[phaginator]

lol walking it back now... that awkward moment when belligerent emotion driven comments get modulated by reality.

Yes you owned yourself hard there durka bro, glad you understand russian industrial capacity doesn't come close to the west.

[phaginator]

Probability was high enough that our DNI warned congress about it...Even McFaul says he worries about it. It's unlikely, but not impossible.

No sh*t, even if it's 0.1% chance that's enough to warrant a counter plan.

Also using nukes isn't that simple, the fallout could spread beyond the border of Ukraine, falling on NATO countries...

[PimpinisEasy]

Yes you owned yourself hard there durka bro, glad you understand russian industrial capacity doesn't come close to the west.

Ok, I think you are missing the point where I have been continually proven right, but you can put your head in the sand if you like Ostrich.

[phaginator]

Ok, I think you are missing the point where I have been continually proven right, but you can put your head in the sand if you like Ostrich.

You haven't been right even once durka bro.

[phaginator]

Damn, even Putler himself saying sanctions impact ruski economy

https://twitter.com/i/status/1641067650926141441


Lol

[MotorcycleBrah]

Damn vatniks are so desperate right now they actually think the nuclear scenario is a possibility.

Strong cope.

When they know that nothing helps anymore, the muhhh nukezz (tm) argument comes out again. Russia has exhausted all options in this war and they know it deep inside.

Lol, you are soo into your nazi hatred for Russians that you lost all common sense and sense of self-preservation.

In reality nobody will flinch if Ukraine gets nuked, USA would declare new sanctions and that is it. They don't want to get nuked because of Ukraine.

Also, they would not get into nuklear war even if Germany (and poland) gets nuked. And France wouldn't get into war either, in fact they would be glad you are nuked. Same goes for England.

Nobody wants to risk their security for some stinky retards.

Because if they do, they would get destroyed, completely. Few survivors would be nomads, living the 10th century lifestyle. Nobody wants that. Except stupid Germans. That is why you lost all wars and you are still occupied, because your nazi hatred clouds your reason. You should all be put into institution.

Seems like they already used nuclear weapons and poor serbianbrah got hit with some fallout

[PimpinisEasy]

You haven't been right even once durka bro.

Everything I said came true. Everything you said has been some ridulously laughable take.

You thought the Benelux had more production capacity than Russia. (these are small countries with a disproportional amount of their economy in banking and you think they can outproduce Russia in tanks? it's mind boggling)
You said the Shahed Drone attacks wouldn't work.
You made numerous claims of Ukranian offensives that never happened.
You made ridiculous assertions about how old Russian soldiers are, the training of Russian soldiers, the tanks fielded by Russia, the lack of missiles... the list of your stupid comments is endless.
You claimed the battle of Bakhmut was a small engagement due to the pre-war population of Bakhmut (to be fair to you, this is often repeated by the retard crew, you can take solice in the fact your stupidity is shared)


You should stick to the Durka comments and calling people clearly far more intelligent than you 'Low IQ'.

[memcop]

Btw, has anybody ever answered why Russia doesnt use air support?

Do they even have an air force lol?

I watch the war daily.

I suppose the question is why are you under the impression that Russia is not using their airforce?

A simple text entry into a search engine of your choice may even sort footage of said airforce by date after clicking on the video tab.

https://youtu.be/xW2MeI8Ndbc

Here is is the RAF this week in Avdiivka.

[memcop]

Damn, even Putler himself saying sanctions impact ruski economy

https://twitter.com/i/status/1641067650926141441


Lol

Everyone involved said it would impact Russia.

Now take Everyone.
Some=Russia will be destroyed with a 20% contraction
Some=This will impact us too
Some=This is gay

Well this is still gay and everyone involved knows sanction impacted Russia with a contraction of 2.3% not 20% or the expected and promoted 13-15%.

I'm not sure why pootler "admitting" impact, as he has from day one, is news or something that would bring you joy.

[memcop]

Bro, russia will capitulate before using a nuke. They know how that would go out. Forget about US, the nukes in Europe alone are enough to turn Russia's major cities into dust. And not only the US, also China and India would immediately join the beating if nukes are being started to be used again.

I'm rather certain a small nuclear device would be used in the even Crimea or Russia proper is under actual threat. Every professional involved knows that.

[Stizzel]

Nazis rejoice at escaping bakhmut alive

https://t.me/llordofwar/109238

[MotorcycleBrah]

I'm rather certain a small nuclear device would be used in the even Crimea or Russia proper is under actual threat. Every professional involved knows that.

The same way Putin said they'd use them in case Kherson would be under threat?
There won't be a threat but russia might give it back out of good will or for tactical reasons

[chalup]

Why do you think anyone would nuke on behalf of Ukraine? It's completely irrational and not credible.

You know what Trump's negotiation will be? It's very simple. Russia halts its advance, keeps part of Donbass and Crimea, and pays reparations or we give Ukraine nukes. And on the other side, we tell Ukraine we won't fund them anymore if they push. We give Ukraine a security guarantee, but agree never to expand NATO ever again to Russia. Problem solved. War ends in 24 hrs.

Putin won't call the bluff. Because the risk of nuclear terrorism from Ukraine on Russia is greater than whatever he can try to swing to compensate. And he will not get what he wants, but he will get what he needs.

You think Poots will agree to this? I find it hard to believe Ukranians will accept this, but its the closest thing to peace that both sides could agree to.

[DSTEE]

So we keep asking, why is it taking so long for Russia to even move a couple inches a day?

The vatniks will give cope and give their excuses, but this is the real reason why...

Report: Russia using 85% of fighting force in Ukraine: senior US defense official
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia...fense-official

1 year later...

Report: Russia Has 97 Percent of Army Deployed in Ukraine: U.K.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-97-p...kraine-1781430

How do you have your entire army deployed in Ukraine yet you only manage to capture a small percentage of the country?

They literally cant do anything else lol. They dont have the capacity to go any further.

I dont think they have made any progress for the last month

Fuk I want us in there so bad. We can end Russia in days. Call their nuclear bluff. Stop fearing it. We will put Russia to its knees in a week. Call that nuclear bluff let's GOOOOO

Desert Storm: Vaporazing vatniks edition would be beautiful

[chalup]

The same way Putin said they'd use them in case Kherson would be under threat?

Russia will use a nuke over Crimea or Russia it selve, lets not kid ourselves. What the consequences of that would be, I'm not sure. Ukraine needs not to worry about Crimea at the moment, any talk of actually taking it back is pretty dumb. My wife does it all the time. And while Russia IS a paper tiger, they still have nukes.

[MotorcycleBrah]

Russia will use a nuke over Crimea or Russia it selve, lets not kid ourselves. What the consequences of that would be, I'm not sure. Ukraine needs not to worry about Crimea at the moment, any talk of actually taking it back is pretty dumb. My wife does it all the time. And while Russia IS a paper tiger, they still have nukes.

What would be the logic to drop a nuke on a territory you would want to occupy?
Plus russia knows that they'd be isolated from the last friends they have, if they actually escalated it to using a nuke.
It would make more sense to fight hard for it and if it doesn't turn out good to offer concessions in order to keep Crimea.

[chalup]

I dont think they have made any progress for the last month





Desert Storm: Vaporazing vatniks edition would be beautiful

I wonder if we could aquire air superiority in Ukraine? Russia obviously can't, and the cope is that modern warfare simply makes it impossible.

[chalup]

What would be the logic to drop a nuke on a territory you would want to occupy?
Plus russia knows that they'd be isolated from the last friends they have, if they actually escalated it to using a nuke.
It would make more sense to fight hard for it and if it doesn't turn out good to offer concessions in order to keep Crimea.

They wouldn't nuke the cities themselves, and you do have a good point on WTF would they nuke? Kiev isn't going to happen, they aren't going to drop on a nuke so close to Poland on Lviv. They would most likely use it on some territory housing a lot of Ukranian military in the middle of Ukraine somewhere. It would be a last resort type of thing, but trust me they would use one before publicly announcing they lost Crimea. It just means too much to them at this point.

[PimpinisEasy]

Everyone is saying the talk of nukes is ridiculous, but they're forgetting that the US floated the idea of using mini nukes to target Iran.

They were very keen to target Iranian fortified nuclear installations with such weaponry.

[Stizzel]

They wouldn't nuke the cities themselves, and you do have a good point on WTF would they nuke? Kiev isn't going to happen, they aren't going to drop on a nuke so close to Poland on Lviv. They would most likely use it on some territory housing a lot of Ukranian military in the middle of Ukraine somewhere. It would be a last resort type of thing, but trust me they would use one before publicly announcing they lost Crimea. It just means too much to them at this point.

Tactical nukes would be directed towards wherever the invaders are