The rise of single lonely men is starting to hit mainstream media (CNN) (NEWS)

[129iq]

'just join a gang, commit crime, and expose yourself to jail or murder bro'

Lol. If a white guy said what u said about black women, u would call them a racist. Although, you are right.

[Rebel012]

I didnt say thatr now did I? I would take anything I could get at least for a casual relationship.

I'm saying that for the average man to have to settle for that(at best) is not a good deal. We are seeing that playing out right now. Men are alone for most of their lives and getting angry and pissed and depressed. Even if some used up sloot settles for them way later on, that isn't a good situation because the women dont really want them(they are settling out desperation) and the men are bitter and inexperienced.

We need to go back engineering society so women are happy with someone on their own level and get with them younger like before. This doesnt work.

No one's engineering that society for incels. And there are layers to this; there are many reasons why a woman might find herself single at 30--she could have just been in a few ltrs that didn't work out. Obviously, a man shouldn't settle with the first woman who shows any interest in him without vetting, but the tour's not over just cause you're in your thirties.

[BigBallsMcgee]

Lol. If a white guy said what u said about black women, u would call them a racist. Although, you are right.

No I wouldnt, because I agree with it

[BigBallsMcgee]

No one's engineering that society for incels. And there are layers to this; there are many reasons why a woman might find herself single at 30--she could have just been in a few ltrs that didn't work out. Obviously, a man shouldn't settle with the first woman who shows any interest in him without vetting, but the tour's not over just cause you're in your thirties.

Yea again, we're talking trends. Not everyone at 30 is a used up sloot. But compared to the past, there's more of that happening and its getting worse and worse.

Male sexlessness, lonliness, and virginy is skyrocketing. That cannot last and continue. young men dont just wait around happily for their turn for a drop puss*y. It causes huge problems like we're starting to see now.

[MikeLowrrrey]

Yea again, we're talking trends. Not everyone at 30 is a used up sloot. But compared to the past, there's more of that happening and its getting worse and worse.

Male sexlessness, lonliness, and virginy is skyrocketing. That cannot last and continue. young men dont just wait around happily for their turn for a drop puss*y. It causes huge problems like we're starting to see now.

Man you can't expect women to just hop on your lap. What guy sits around and waits??? That's what your posts come off as, and it doesn't work that way for 95% of men. And You can't have 100% of women saying yes to your advances.

You have to go out. You have to socialize. You have to have adequate standards. Incels aren't doing those things, so what do they expect?

Hell, even athletes struggle to get real women which is why so many get tricked into baby and raped by child support.

[rollerball]

Man you can't expect women to just hop on your lap, it doesn't work that way for 95% of men. You can't 100% of women to say yes.

You have to go out. You have to socialize. You have to have adequate standards. Incels aren't doing those things, so what do they suspect?

See? Infinitesimally Small Balls McGee? Even mike knows it's sheer numbers game. You gotta put yourself out there and rack up the numbers you lazy pipsqueak.

[iloveus]

Yea again, we're talking trends. Not everyone at 30 is a used up sloot. But compared to the past, there's more of that happening and its getting worse and worse.

Male sexlessness, lonliness, and virginy is skyrocketing. That cannot last and continue. young men dont just wait around happily for their turn for a drop puss*y. It causes huge problems like we're starting to see now.

How do we fix this?

[MikeLowrrrey]

How do we fix this?

Go out and talk to women. How else?

Incels aren't doing that and if they are, they aren't doing it enough. Not to mention your typical incel is a boring gamer slob who doesn't take showers and has greasy hair.

[BigBallsMcgee]

Man you can't expect women to just hop on your lap. What guy sits around and waits??? That's what your posts come off as, and it doesn't work that way for 95% of men. And You can't have 100% of women saying yes to your advances.

You have to go out. You have to socialize. You have to have adequate standards. Incels aren't doing those things, so what do they expect?

Hell, even athletes struggle to get real women which is why so many get tricked into baby and raped by child support.

Ugh, context. That's what Rebel was suggesting, that eventually those women will come around and lower their standards for men. I was just saying men who have to wait around for that long, just for a drop of puss*y wont be happy.

It wasnt about literally waiting around, it was about the idea that womens standards need to come down for men to even have a chance in the first place.

[BigBallsMcgee]

Go out and talk to women. How else?

Irrelevant when they're standards are too high to be interested in you.

I talk to women, and I just get friendzoned. What difference does that make.

[iloveus]

Ugh, context. That's what Rebel was suggesting, that eventually those women will come around and lower their standards for men. I was just saying men who have to wait around for that long for a drop of puss*y wont be happy.

It wasnt about literally waiting around, it was about the idea that womens standards need to come down for men to even have a chance in the first place.

Women don't and will not drop standards

[BigBallsMcgee]

How do we fix this?

Said this in another post.

Some immediate steps we need to do right now include destigmatization of

- Going abroad to find romantic success
- Fully legalized and destigmatized prostitution (both worker and consumer)
- An encouragement of and promotion of male spaces
- A campaign to raise the perceived status of trades in tandem with an outreach program to bring men into trade schools (think Rosie the Riveter for men)
- Massive funding for "men's mental health crisis centers"
- Teaching men "mental hygiene" from a very young age (and *specific to men*) so they recognized when they get caught in negative echo chambers and thought patterns that exacerbate rather than help their situations

That's for starters.

Basically, it boils down to a combination of providing men purpose (which they currently have none) and motivation (which they also have none).

None of this will change the situation but will help men deal with it and not collapse society. To actually fix the situation so men can get women again, it would require things society will not be willing to do, which is culturally and economically enforce monogamy.

[Immichaelski]

I think social media and tv created it. Like when we grew up we went to church if watching dating shows like eliminate or singled out. Now everything is anti male or pro gay. Anti whites. Everything is pushing mixed rave but only on white peopke and everything is very pro gay. I thought it was dumb but my gf son comes home and he is white and is always talking about how worthless whites are and how they owe people things and I’m like wtf is wrong with you people!! He hangs around a chick who claims she is a lesbian but they do t believe in pronouns and she is also dating a guy who has a boyfriend with a vagina but once again they don’t use pronouns and the messed up thing is that their whole era thinks this is normal. I can’t even judge because I honestly think it’s the end of tine. I think if I had children they would be in millitary camp of my own and if not In someone else’s before it’s too late.

[Rebel012]

Ugh, context. That's what Rebel was suggesting, that eventually those women will come around and lower their standards for men. I was just saying men who have to wait around for that long, just for a drop of puss*y wont be happy.

It wasnt about literally waiting around, it was about the idea that womens standards need to come down for men to even have a chance in the first place.

That was Rollerball, I actually wasn't suggesting this route. What I was saying was that if incels put in work and fix themselves and increase their appeal and get out there, they can find a woman on their level (who might be 30) who genuinely likes them, and who isn't necessarily settling or consciously dropping standards.

[Basedbaby]

Yea again, we're talking trends. Not everyone at 30 is a used up sloot. But compared to the past, there's more of that happening and its getting worse and worse.

Male sexlessness, lonliness, and virginy is skyrocketing. That cannot last and continue. young men dont just wait around happily for their turn for a drop puss*y. It causes huge problems like we're starting to see now.

What problems? I feel terrible for incels and it hits close to home because I spent the majority of my life as one. but how does it hurt anybody else? Incels and lonely men will get left behind to rot and nobody will care about them. used up sloots with no value will still have beta WKs to fall on at the end of the day. Hvm will get there share of love. the only people who really get hurt are the lonely below average men but nothing will get done because nobody cares about them.

[iloveus]

Said this in another post.

Some immediate steps we need to do right now include destigmatization of

- Going abroad to find romantic success
- Fully legalized and destigmatized prostitution (both worker and consumer)
- An encouragement of and promotion of male spaces
- A campaign to raise the perceived status of trades in tandem with an outreach program to bring men into trade schools (think Rosie the Riveter for men)
- Massive funding for "men's mental health crisis centers"
- Teaching men "mental hygiene" from a very young age (and *specific to men*) so they recognized when they get caught in negative echo chambers and thought patterns that exacerbate rather than help their situations

That's for starters.

Basically, it boils down to a combination of providing men purpose (which they currently have none) and motivation (which they also have none).

None of this will change the situation but will help men deal with it and not collapse society. To actually fix the situation so men can get women again, it would require things society will not be willing to do, which is culturally and economically enforce monogamy.

So bring back Muscular Christianity movement...

Muscular Chistianity was a movement from the late 1800's - mid 1900's where the church recognized that in order to bring men to the church they needed men to do "masculine" activities. Out of this movement came the YMCA, Boys Scouts, American Football, etc...

Back then Christian hmynals were about having a purpose and being on mission for God but Christian music today is feminized about having a relationship with God or Jesus.

Yeah the movement died out once the Baby Boomers came about and feminism and the sexual revolution.

[rollerball]

Women don't and will not drop standards

I think right now the average woman's standards are have been artificially raised due to social media/simps convincing them that they have greater worth than they actually do. I also think this is a bubble that will eventually burst.

That's where midgetballsmcgee can step in.

[BigBallsMcgee]

That was Rollerball, I actually wasn't suggesting this route. What I was saying was that if incels put in work and fix themselves and increase their appeal and get out there, they can find a woman on their level (who might be 30) who genuinely likes them, and who isn't necessarily settling or consciously dropping standards.

2 problems with this.

1 is the false assumption that incels havent done these things already. many of these incels are incel because they dont meet basic barriers of physical attraction before women will even consider you. We have to acknowledge that.

2 is the unfortunate reality of the 80-20 rule. Percentages do not change. If men on the whole leveled up, all it would do is mean its even harder to get into the top tier that women are all chasing/desiring. You cannot 'just improve yourself bro' out of the reality of women's hypergamy.

In other words, there's also going to be a bottom 50% of men no matter what. and those men are going to be increasingly with no puss*y

[BigBallsMcgee]

I think right now the average woman's standards are have been artificially raised due to social media/simps convincing them that they have greater worth than they actually do. I also think this is a bubble that will eventually burst.

That's where midgetballsmcgee can step in.

The bubble isnt going to burst unless men revolt and force change. Women arent going to change voluntarily.

[BigBallsMcgee]

What problems? I feel terrible for incels and it hits close to home because I spent the majority of my life as one. but how does it hurt anybody else? Incels and lonely men will get left behind to rot and nobody will care about them. used up sloots with no value will still have beta WKs to fall on at the end of the day. Hvm will get there share of love. the only people who really get hurt are the lonely below average men but nothing will get done because nobody cares about them.

There's a lot of things that could happen.

At bare minimum you can expect men who are depressed angry and lonely to stop being productive. Our economy depends on men who have an incentive to work. Contrary to the media narrative, women are not equal to men. Theres a lot of important jobs men do that keep our society functioning, and its not good if too many check out.


Men in this situation may also do more crime and violence. In this situation, there will be less nuclear families and more single moms. Children raised by single moms have terrible outcomes compared to actual families.

Our military will be weak when men have no desire fight and die for a country where they have no stake in the future.

All kinds of bad things are possible. Societiies have collapsed from less than this.

[EscortMaxxer]

Go out and talk to women. How else?

Incels aren't doing that and if they are, they aren't doing it enough. Not to mention your typical incel is a boring gamer slob who doesn't take showers and has greasy hair.

Dude what the f*ck are you talking about. Dudes go out to bars and clubs all the time and get curved by women. I see it happen all the time. Bars and clubs are sausage fests of dudes that get no action

[Kaliconic]

Said this in another post.

Some immediate steps we need to do right now include destigmatization of

- Going abroad to find romantic success
- Fully legalized and destigmatized prostitution (both worker and consumer)
- An encouragement of and promotion of male spaces
- A campaign to raise the perceived status of trades in tandem with an outreach program to bring men into trade schools (think Rosie the Riveter for men)
- Massive funding for "men's mental health crisis centers"
- Teaching men "mental hygiene" from a very young age (and *specific to men*) so they recognized when they get caught in negative echo chambers and thought patterns that exacerbate rather than help their situations

That's for starters.

Basically, it boils down to a combination of providing men purpose (which they currently have none) and motivation (which they also have none).

None of this will change the situation but will help men deal with it and not collapse society. To actually fix the situation so men can get women again, it would require things society will not be willing to do, which is culturally and economically enforce monogamy.

Some of those are good ideas. I think promoting the trades and creating male spaces is smart.

The first one you can do right now. You complain a lot about being short. Guess what, there are lots of countries in the world where you will basically be average in height. Why not go overseas? What's stopping you? It doesn't matter what other people think of you. If you find a decent girl who you like and who likes you back, that's all that matters.

[outfoxxed]

Some of those are good ideas. I think promoting the trades and creating male spaces is smart.

The first one you can do right now. You complain a lot about being short. Guess what, there are lots of countries in the world where you will basically be average in height. Why not go overseas? What's stopping you? It doesn't matter what other people think of you. If you find a decent girl who you like and who likes you back, that's all that matters.

Tradies are gonna take over soon anyway. Pajeets and sanchez's everywhere will eventually figure out all intellectual work. After which tradies win cause their job didn't get outsourced to pajeet

[Basedbaby]

There's a lot of things that could happen.

At bare minimum you can expect men who are depressed angry and lonely to stop being productive. Our economy depends on men who have an incentive to work. Contrary to the media narrative, women are not equal to men. Theres a lot of important jobs men do that keep our society functioning, and its not good if too many check out.


Men in this situation may also do my crime and violence. In this situation, there will be less nuclear families and more single moms. Children raised by single moms have terrible outcomes compared to actual families.

Our military will be weak when men have no desire fight and die for a country where they have no stake in the future.

All kinds of bad things are possible. Societiies have collapsed from less than this.

Most of that stuff has already happened nobody cares. liberals and mainstream media will cheer and praise all of that stuff it’s what they want

[BigBallsMcgee]

Some of those are good ideas. I think promoting the trades and creating male spaces is smart.

The first one you can do right now. You complain a lot about being short. Guess what, there are lots of countries in the world where you will basically be average in height. Why not go overseas? What's stopping you? It doesn't matter what other people think of you. If you find a decent girl who you like and who likes you back, that's all that matters.

Obviously anyone can hypothetically do it right now, but I said it needs to be destigmatized and should also have said actively encouraged. We as a society should be openly having this conversation and outright encouraging this as a solution, whereas right now its really only a manosphere meme.

as for why I personally wont do it.

1. I believe that the only way it works is if you stay in the foreign country you choose. If you bring them back here, very big risk the women adopt the same culture that made you look elsewhere in the first place. And you also have to find work, learn the culture, learn the language etc. Not something one can just easily do.

2. I believe the countries where that really works best is only accepting of white men specifically. short black guys arent worship the way white guys are in some countries.

[uwotm8st0pmirin]

Most of that stuff has already happened nobody cares. liberals and mainstream media will cheer and praise all of that stuff it’s what they want

it goes beyond that to even smaller things, let alone the obvious bigger ones.

for example, I just got side swiped going down the highway by some fully educated space passengers heading to mars. I had to swerve because they were a full 2 feet in my lane, no swerve would have been a head on collision and I was in a much bigger vehicle. It's possible I saved the drives life just by being alert long story short. He did hit the very rear end of my vehicle which took out his mirror and busted his driver side window straight into his face ( he had blood ).

no one stopped to be a witness to this, although many saw it happen. This left us in a my story vs his story situation in which he told the cop I was in his lane of course blocking his pathway to pluto. I saved this guys life and he goes and immediately lies to the officer about it...

if someone had stopped and been a witness, he's immediately at fault. But no one did, and in the past a lot of people would have stopped. A lot of people just don't give a f*ck about anyone or anything these days due to how life is nowadays.

it might even be something so simple as someone hating the road they live on. To the point where instead of taking their trash out on trash day, they just drive down the road dumping it on the road just out of spite.

[TypeNirvash]

BBM, have you considered looking up your local animal shelter, and volunteering or fostering?

I promise it is going to bring joy into your life

[Kaliconic]

Obviously anyone can hypothetically do it right now, but I said it needs to be destigmatized and should also have said actively encouraged. We as a society should be openly having this conversation and outright encouraging this as a solution, whereas right now its really only a manosphere meme.

as for why I personally wont do it.

1. I believe that the only way it works is if you stay in the foreign country you choose. If you bring them back here, very big risk the women adopt the same culture that made you look elsewhere in the first place. And you also have to find work, learn the culture, learn the language etc. Not something one can just easily do.

2. I believe the countries where that really works best is only accepting of white men specifically. short black guys arent worship the way white guys are in some countries.

Okay, so you come up with a bunch of reasons why a perfectly decent plan won't work. You seem to always have some reason to not try.

There is not that much danger that a grown woman will fully adopt the culture of the US if she comes here. People are heavily influenced by the society they grow up in. Once you are an adult, the effect diminishes.

Lots of people can work online these days. Learning the language isn't absolutely necessary in many plans as English is widely spoken.

Okay, whatever, you won't be outright worshiped. So what? You always act like your height is your biggest problem. There are lots of places where it won't be a factor.

[MikeLowrrrey]

Ugh, context. That's what Rebel was suggesting, that eventually those women will come around and lower their standards for men. I was just saying men who have to wait around for that long, just for a drop of puss*y wont be happy.

It wasnt about literally waiting around, it was about the idea that womens standards need to come down for men to even have a chance in the first place.

If you're out socializing, making friends, if you have a sense of humor and confidence, it won't be long. Incels and virgins don't even try. Most incels and virgins don't even dress well or get haircuts. And if they're cleanup but still can't get laid it's their personality. Elliot Rodger was a complete weirdo just off his videos

[MikeLowrrrey]

Irrelevant when they're standards are too high to be interested in you.

I talk to women, and I just get friendzoned. What difference does that make.

And this right here is why incels can't get laid. You give up before even trying or seeing for yourself.

There's a lot of ugly guys with girlfriends and wives