Khabib is the most overrated fighter of all time

[stayhomeneet]

Yeah Jones on the weekend made a complete mockery of the GOAT Khabib claims.

Khabib fought bums and drunk mcgregor. Never challenged himself.

[Barteh]

lol no one wants to see khabib dominate weaker opponents. we know what happens if he fights ferg.

he fought (and one side dominated) all the best guys in his division except one. close enough

How can somebody with 3 top 5 wins in his entire career have cleared out the divisions? I guess Jones vs. Reyes and Gus etc. were all needless too because Jones had already cleared out the division lmao. Or Silva against journeyman Chael.

[bicmane777]

I guess Jones vs. Reyes and Gus etc. were all needless too because Jones had already cleared out the division lmao. Or Silva against journeyman Chael.

Reyes and Gus were like Gaethje and porier for khabib.

same with chael

so who was left for Khabib to beat in lightweight?

[Zere0wn]

lol no one wants to see khabib dominate weaker opponents. we know what happens if he fights ferg.

he fought (and one side dominated) all the best guys in his division except one. close enough

No. Unless you did it, you don't get credit for it. There were several out-standing fights for khabib when he retired.

Could have, would have, should have, but didn't.

[Zere0wn]

Reyes and Gus were like Gaethje and porier for khabib.

same with chael

so who was left for Khabib to beat in lightweight?

Not at all. NEver fought ferguson coming up, most people have to fight another top 5 to get a title shot.

But he still had olivera, dariush, islam ( i know they would never fight, but if you want to "clear" the division as others have, this is what it would take).

by virtue of having 2 title defenses and winning the title vs a journeyman he couldn't have cleared out the divsion.

already answered.

[bicmane777]

No. Unless you did it, you don't get credit for it. There were several out-standing fights for khabib when he retired.

Could have, would have, should have, but didn't.

so who in your opinion would put up a good fight against khabib whenever he was still fighting? lol

olivera had no chance

islam no go

dariush maybe a chance and the best and only bet

i wanted to see him fight some welterweights

[Zere0wn]

so who in your opinion would put up a good fight against khabib whenever he was still fighting? lol

olivera had no chance

islam no go

dariush maybe a chance and the best and only bet

i wanted to see him fight some welterweights

lot of guys "had no chance" then won in MMA.

Being buddies is no excuse, what if Kamaru had buddied up with Colby, would he still get credit for clearing out the division? of course not, he skipped one of the best guys on a technicality.

I'm not saying he should fight islam, im saying he didn't clear out the division. if he fought up a weight class, that would make up for not clearing out his own division.

when you're comparing guys on the highest of standards, things like this matter and not all of it is in the persons control.

[akmerle]

so who in your opinion would put up a good fight against khabib whenever he was still fighting? lol

olivera had no chance

islam no go

dariush maybe a chance and the best and only bet

i wanted to see him fight some welterweights

I actually really wanted to see him fight Charles. Would have been a great contrast of styles, and Charles looked fantastic in his next fights after Khabib left with common opponents with Dustin and Justin.

He also could have had a great fight with Chandler.

I absolutely see and agree with the argument that he did not clean out the division. Also just super bummed he left so early, loved his style, all his DC footage, and watching him fight.

[bicmane777]

I actually really wanted to see him fight Charles. Would have been a great contrast of styles, and Charles looked fantastic in his next fights after Khabib left with common opponents with Dustin and Justin.

He also could have had a great fight with Chandler.

both easy fights for Khabib.

Khabib >> Islam

[ninetynine8]

I think the point i've mentioned about dominance settles this completely. Haven't seen a good response to it


Why do people put Khabib in the goat category? Because of his dominance.


What they fail to realize is that someone like Jones was even more dominant than Khabib relative to their careers, he just fought longer which inevitably made his dominance fade away. His Gus fight was his sixth title defense to put things into perspective... Other than the arm bar attempt by Vitor no one made him even look human until the Gus fight. And it wasn't just one thing, he was dominant in all aspects of fighting.

[Cartiac]

so who in your opinion would put up a good fight against khabib whenever he was still fighting? lol

olivera had no chance

islam no go

dariush maybe a chance and the best and only bet

i wanted to see him fight some welterweights

That is exactly the difference between the greatness of Khabib and Jon Jones. Khabib called it quits well before the grind of a legendary champion begins, never having faced adversity or even challenging himself. Jon Jones dominated more UFC champions than Khabib had title fights. The true challenge for a champion is carrying the increasing weight of the belt that makes fights get much harder as the opponents get much weaker. Just finding motivation to get out of bed and continue training the way they did to become champion and defend a few times becomes extremely challenging that most can't withstand. Valentina is the latest example among many.

Unlike the completely broken loser Reyes still trying to tell himself he is better than Jon Jones, Anthony Smith was very honestly able to admit he could tell Jon Jones phoned in their fight because he didn't respect him enough as an opponent after fighting so many legends to even bother fighting him.

[bicmane777]

Just finding motivation to get out of bed and continue training the way they did to become champion and defend a few times becomes extremely challenging that most can't withstand. Valentina is the latest example among many.

gotcha except Valentina was winning the fight until a costly mistake. She wins that fight 8/10 times.

wouldn't call grasso a hard challenge.

still valentina is not nearly the champ Jones or Khabib was

[Cartiac]

gotcha except Valentina was winning the fight until a costly mistake. She wins that fight 8/10 times.

wouldn't call grasso a hard challenge.

still valentina is not nearly the champ Jones or Khabib was

but the thing is Valentina lost that fight 1/1 times

[akmerle]

gotcha except Valentina was winning the fight until a costly mistake. She wins that fight 8/10 times.

wouldn't call grasso a hard challenge.

still valentina is not nearly the champ Jones or Khabib was

But that’s just it. The more times you test yourself, the more times crazy things can and will happen. It’s what makes MMA so wild and exciting.

You could have a bad camp, bad weight cut, injury before / during the fight, get caught by the perfect counter, have an off night. etc. DJ, Fedor, Silva, GSP, Nunes, Valentina, etc. It caught all of them.

That’s what makes Jones case so solid. ALLLLL those defenses at the highest stakes, against the highest possible competition. He came out on top of ALLL of them.

I am a massive Khabib fan, and he is a Mt. Rushmore guy for me, and an all time great. But as far as THE greatest of all time….. only 3 title defenses kills Khabib’s case. Doesn’t matter if he would have won those fights, you still gotta build the resume. It’s simply too big a “what if”.

[Cartiac]

But that’s just it. The more times you test yourself, the more times crazy things can and will happen. It’s what makes MMA so wild and exciting.

You could have a bad camp, bad weight cut, injury before / during the fight, get caught by the perfect counter, have an off night. etc. DJ, Fedor, Silva, GSP, Nunes, Valentina, etc. It caught all of them.

That’s what makes Jones case so solid. ALLLLL those defenses at the highest stakes, against the highest possible competition. He came out on top of ALLL of them.

I am a massive Khabib fan, and he is a Mt. Rushmore guy for me, and an all time great. But as far as THE greatest of all time….. only 3 title defenses kills Khabib’s case. Doesn’t matter if he would have won those fights, you still gotta build the resume. It’s simply too big a “what if”.

What Grasso did to Valentina wasn't even crazy, it was inevitable because of the same thing that happens to athletes over time. They get complacent and predictable. Grasso said that is exactly what she trained after watching video of Valentina do that same thing over and over and over again. Valentina didn't bother to change up she didn't want the weight of that belt anymore. It takes a crazy mf'er like Jon Jones and Tom Brady to stay at that level well beyond the point of sanity. If Jones doesn't retire after beating Stipe, he will probably lose.

[mot1ve]

That is exactly the difference between the greatness of Khabib and Jon Jones. Khabib called it quits well before the grind of a legendary champion begins, never having faced adversity or even challenging himself. Jon Jones dominated more UFC champions than Khabib had title fights. The true challenge for a champion is carrying the increasing weight of the belt that makes fights get much harder as the opponents get much weaker. Just finding motivation to get out of bed and continue training the way they did to become champion and defend a few times becomes extremely challenging that most can't withstand. Valentina is the latest example among many.

Unlike the completely broken loser Reyes still trying to tell himself he is better than Jon Jones, Anthony Smith was very honestly able to admit he could tell Jon Jones phoned in their fight because he didn't respect him enough as an opponent after fighting so many legends to even bother fighting him.

Retiring at the top of your game is way different than "calling it quits". GSP retired even sooner in his career than Khabib.. I guess GSP "called it quits" too? its pathetic logic that comes from haters who don't appreciate the amazing athlete and fighter that Khabib is. It's a lack of respect --thats all it it is.. Some people lack respect for Khabib because they watch MMA like it's WWE.. and choose favorites and hate on others. But you can't deny talent and you can't deny stats.

I guarantee if I asked you about some fighters that real MMA fans know about, you wouldn't even know who they are.. I'm pretty sure casual fans are the only ones who discredit Khabib being a GOAT. The fact that your GOATs like Jon Jones have Khabib as one of the GOAT's is enough to know that you're out of pocket.

[ninetynine8]

Retiring at the top of your game is way different than "calling it quits". GSP retired even sooner in his career than Khabib.. I guess GSP "called it quits" too? its pathetic logic that comes from haters who don't appreciate the amazing athlete and fighter that Khabib is. It's a lack of respect --thats all it it is.. Some people lack respect for Khabib because they watch MMA like it's WWE.. and choose favorites and hate on others. But you can't deny talent and you can't deny stats.

I guarantee if I asked you about some fighters that real MMA fans know about, you wouldn't even know who they are.. I'm pretty sure casual fans are the only ones who discredit Khabib being a GOAT. The fact that your GOATs like Jon Jones have Khabib as one of the GOAT's is enough to know that you're out of pocket.

Gsp retired after 13 title fights... After absolute wars being beaten half to death

Comparing that to Khabib whose had 3 title fights and hasn't had any damage... You're simply not looking at the facts

[Gainzzz]

Retiring at the top of your game is way different than "calling it quits". GSP retired even sooner in his career than Khabib.. I guess GSP "called it quits" too? its pathetic logic that comes from haters who don't appreciate the amazing athlete and fighter that Khabib is. It's a lack of respect --thats all it it is.. Some people lack respect for Khabib because they watch MMA like it's WWE.. and choose favorites and hate on others. But you can't deny talent and you can't deny stats.

I guarantee if I asked you about some fighters that real MMA fans know about, you wouldn't even know who they are.. I'm pretty sure casual fans are the only ones who discredit Khabib being a GOAT. The fact that your GOATs like Jon Jones have Khabib as one of the GOAT's is enough to know that you're out of pocket.

Spoiler!

Spoiler!

That's a 6 year, 11 fight reign vs a 2 year, 4 fight reign.. and two of those opponents were Lolaquinta and Conor McGuiness

How dare you compare GSP to Kabob



Khabib's legacy is going to age like milk. The absolute fact is, he didn't do enough against good competition to be in the GOAT conversation. Just look at the other names: Jon Jones, GSP, Fedor, Anderson, Aldo. He's nowhere near, lol. Volk has a much better shout than Khabib at this point, and he's still active.

Fighters peak at different ages as well. He was clearly in his prime when he left and GSP clearly wasn't.

One thing that also annoys me is how Conor's 145 run gets discredited due to him being a "weight bully", but he never once missed weight. Khabib killed himself just as much to make 155 and actually missed weight but cheated. He refused to test himself at 170 and ran away.

[ninetynine8]

also khabib arguably only has two title defenses because he missed weight without any repercussions

[Cartiac]

Retiring at the top of your game is way different than "calling it quits". GSP retired even sooner in his career than Khabib.. I guess GSP "called it quits" too? its pathetic logic that comes from haters who don't appreciate the amazing athlete and fighter that Khabib is. It's a lack of respect --thats all it it is.. Some people lack respect for Khabib because they watch MMA like it's WWE.. and choose favorites and hate on others. But you can't deny talent and you can't deny stats.

I guarantee if I asked you about some fighters that real MMA fans know about, you wouldn't even know who they are.. I'm pretty sure casual fans are the only ones who discredit Khabib being a GOAT. The fact that your GOATs like Jon Jones have Khabib as one of the GOAT's is enough to know that you're out of pocket.

dang, calm down dude, take a breath. Your entire post is based on your self imposed semantics of the words "called it quits" and has nothing to do with what I actually said or the point I was making.

[Jasonw1178]

Fukk off some of you. He's a very respectable humble guy. He came out of nowhere Russia, being trained by his dad. He came, clobbered everyone, and then he checked out. Once you become champ, what more is there to do? Just keep fighting until you lose your marbles and eventually lose? He's not the one calling himself the GOAT, others are. He came, made his point, accomplished his goal and left. He doesn't care much about the money or fame. When you make hypothetical "what if" arguments you just expose yourself as a hater especailly when you start bringing in extreme factors.

[ninetynine8]

Fukk off some of you. He's a very respectable humble guy. He came out of nowhere Russia, being trained by his dad. He came, clobbered everyone, and then he checked out. Once you become champ, what more is there to do? Just keep fighting until you lose your marbles and eventually lose? He's not the one calling himself the GOAT, others are. He came, made his point, accomplished his goal and left. He doesn't care much about the money or fame. When you make hypothetical "what if" arguments you just expose yourself as a hater especailly when you start bringing in extreme factors.

Calm down...

No one's saying Khabib isn't a great fighter.

[aspirex]

Khabib is more dominant than jon jones, on paper jon look impressive but he doesnt in his fight jon use eye pokes hold the fences and get taken down alot combined with the steroid use he is better than average fighter but not the goat
But khabib on the other hand always had clean fight smashed his opponent even against a stronger oppo one will always ask when does khabib finish his opponent no doubt he will win but ppl always have doubt in jon
So khabib definitely is not overrated if u actually watch fights instead of scrolling through wiki mma records u will be enlightened

[ninetynine8]

Khabib is more dominant than jon jones, on paper jon look impressive but he doesnt in his fight jon use eye pokes hold the fences and get taken down alot combined with the steroid use he is better than average fighter but not the goat
But khabib on the other hand always had clean fight smashed his opponent even against a stronger oppo one will always ask when does khabib finish his opponent no doubt he will win but ppl always have doubt in jon
So khabib definitely is not overrated if u actually watch fights instead of scrolling through wiki mma records u will be enlightened

you're obviously talking about jons later career because early on he was just as dominant as khabib in all styles...

jones used to look unbeatable, khabib still looks beatable after only 3 title defenses

[Saiyanbrahh]

disagree

you never saw Khabib in trouble once. he DOMINATED every single person he fought. people felt accomplished if they felt like they won a round from the guy. he trained his whole life with a super strict father who is one of the greatest trainers of all time (look how many students he has in his small village that are successful). he even coached his best friend to his own lightweight championship belt in the UFC. his cousin is the Bellator champ.

i was pissed when he left too. his father/coach/mentor/inspiration had just tragically died. he lost all motivation. nobody ever steps away at their peak and even turns down $100m to box floyd... but he did. he promised his mother he wouldn't fight again after Gaethje. Can't hate the guy for being one of the few in the world who actually promises something and ACTUALLY DOES IT. but saying he is overrated is too much. he defended his title against top tier contenders too. he fukin beat gaethje with a broken foot. didn't say a word. still made weight. nobody has dominated the guy ever. not even in training. he spars with fukkin ppl way bigger than him too...

i must say that resume wise you have to give Jon Jones the GOAT title. RESUME wise. but he can't claim that he was never in ANY TROUBLE like Khabib can. Khabib has not even been cut or bruised in any of his fights... Jon squeaked by Reyes, Santos, Gustaffson and so forth...

DOMINANCE = KHABIB
RESUME = JONES (but can't claim he dominated every round like Khabib. and wasn't cut open. or bruised.)

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/ded18af0e4eae2f7

Tibau won that fight lol and wym ? Khabib only fought 10 times, jons aint lost a round his first 10 fights too

[ninetynine8]

dominated at one weight class where he has massive weight cuts


he never went up another weight class. He cant be among the ATGs because if you are great you have the skill to win against larger men, he never even tried.

the funny thing is people talk about Jones physical advantages but he actually made weight every time. Khabib barely made weight and then missed a bunch of times



i'm fine with someone sticking to one weight class. It shouldn't factor whether they're an ATG in my opinion but missing weight all the time and then retiring because you don't want to move up is a whole different story.

[DavinasDildo]

dominated at one weight class where he has massive weight cuts


he never went up another weight class. He cant be among the ATGs because if you are great you have the skill to win against larger men, he never even tried.

massive weight cuts ❌

poor technique ✔️

he was 174 and 176 in his last two fights, there's dudes like Chandler, Tibau, Oliveira who come in over 180, all the more reason why Khabib's the GOAT 😂 his haters have to make **** up to discredit him

[ninetynine8]

massive weight cuts ❌

poor technique ✔️

he was 174 and 176 in his last two fights, there's dudes like Chandler, Tibau, Oliveira who come in over 180, all the more reason why Khabib's the GOAT ������ his haters have to make **** up to discredit him

so he barely cut weight but still missed so many times? damn dude has **** all discipline then

[mot1ve]

People are really arguing everything other than what the post is about "Most Overrated Fighter". Khabib definitely is not that. I agree with you all now who said that he's not the p4p greatest.. but once again, we're overlooking the topic.

Most overrated fighter might be Sean O Malley in all honesty.. well second to Ronda Rousey.

[ninetynine8]

People are really arguing everything other than what the post is about "Most Overrated Fighter". Khabib definitely is not that. I agree with you all now who said that he's not the p4p greatest.. but once again, we're overlooking the topic.

Most overrated fighter might be Sean O Malley in all honesty.. well second to Ronda Rousey.

no one fuks with ronda anymore, but yeah seans overrated


i only say most overrated because there's genuinely a huge amount of people that think he's the best ever. I don't think he's overrated in terms of being the best lightweight