Reverse Transcription aka: How The Jabs Can Change DNA

[katya422]

I wasn't looking for this, but I wandered into it this morning and it has been a subject of speculation for a long time. Twitter is far from perfect and definitely a work in progress, but having a publicly available platform for the free exchange of information is a really big deal.

This is the old study which found that reverse transcription in liver cells was observed in the lab:

Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line

Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35723296/


What I saw today:



^^^
Linked to jikkyleaks thread.











So why did Jaenisch frame this preprint like this?

I don't know, but I think the wording is just a reflection of the fact that no paper will be published that suggests any danger of the mRNA therapies.

This is what happens to you if you try. -jikkyleaks

^^^
You can't get anything published which is openly critical of the mrna vaccinations. Along with this tweet jikky linked a substack article:

Welcome to Gilead

A scientific scandal with huge implications for women's health is brewing and you weren't going to hear about it - until now.

TLDR: A paper was published in October showing how the mRNA vaccines could massively impact ovarian and breast cancer risk. Two scientists linked to the NIH and Pharma conspired to remove it from publication - putting a generation of women at risk.

Link:
https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/welcome-to-gilead


Then an important bit from the study is pointed out by a colleague:




Following which jikky expounds on why this is important...out of pics, so quotes:

The quantity of spike mRNA in the COVID mRNA gene therapy vaccines more resembles the infectious clone transfection used in the study, than N-gene transfection.

Rudy is telling you that this mRNA spike transfection is bad. He's been telling you for 2 years. - jikkyleaks

For comparison, most low grade infections are associated with a blood vRNA level of less than 6000 copies/ml

Link to referenced study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34374761/

This is 1000x fold lower than the levels produced by infectious clones

Link to referenced study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32289263/

Link to reposted thread:
https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/statu...65508616036353


Thread: https://twitter.com/Jikkyleaks/statu...233889280?s=20

Preprint Study:

LINE1-mediated reverse transcription and genomic integration of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA detected in virus-infected but not in viral mRNA-transfected cells

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1....527906v1.full

Jikkyleaks own TLDR:

So read this paper again, and read between the lines.

TLDR: the vaccine mRNA is reverse transcribed into DNA in your cells - not least because of the quantity flooding your cells. The virus can not, to any significant extent.

The paper shows it.


Katya Cliffs: If you are looking for a spouse out of caution you may want to find an unvaccinated partner if you plan to have children.

[Noliberals4]

Honestly reading stuff like this makes me glad I got the vaccine because now I am not lumped with crazy morons.

[TappingTheZen]

No vax here and no stake in this - but i'm curious what evidence exists to actually show that the vax can effect the germline (as the article implies these changes could be passed on, as well as the so called 'katya conclusion') and not merely ****tic cells (not that it's ideal either, but at least ****tic changes aren't inherited)?

What evidence even is there that it does actually stimulate reverse transcription (rather than 'can')? I've seen this claimed repeatedly or speculated upon but not seen any actual strong evidence for it.

[Bodhy]

How do the jabs change DNA?

The short answer is:

Spoiler!

they don't.

[navid93]

Just stop. 99% of the misc will not be able to read anything you posted and take any meaningful information from it.

Just look at the abstract from the study you posted: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35723296/


What percentage of miscers do you think know what “endogenous reverse transcriptase” means?

[MonsieurWhite]

Honestly reading stuff like this makes me glad I got the vaccine because now I am not lumped with crazy morons.

lol whatever you gotta tell yourself, mudblood

[katya422]

No vax here and no stake in this - but i'm curious what evidence exists to actually show that the vax can effect the germline (as the article implies these changes could be passed on) and not merely ****tic cells (Not that it's good either, but at least ****tic changes aren't inherited)?

What evidence even is there that it can actually stimulate reverse transcription? I've seen this claimed repeatedly or speculated upon but not seen any actual strong evidence for it.

possible = | = proven

My understanding was that the paper shows a mechanism which makes this possible, not that it is a presentation of proof that it IS happening.

There is an ongoing discussion in the comments.





^^^
Another claim that publication of studies is being blocked by vested interests.

[J.L.C.]

Why do the skeptics continue to conflate viral spike with vaccine-encoded spike?

[katya422]

Just stop. 99% of the misc will not be able to read anything you posted and take any meaningful information from it.

What percentage of miscers do you think know what “endogenous reverse transcriptase” means?

Not a lot. I went ahead and posted it up as it came up in an R&P thread about a week ago.

I don't try to over hype stuff and I think my cliffs are reasonable- this *may* happen, so if you are planning to make babies you might want to choose an unvaccinated partner.

[TappingTheZen]

possible = | = proven

My understanding was that the paper shows a mechanism which makes this possible, not that it is a presentation of proof that it IS happening.

There is an ongoing discussion in the comments.





^^^
Another claim that publication of studies is being blocked by vested interests.

But that's my exact point; people will take what you post as 'does' rather than 'can', and there's a huge distinction.

The other part you didn't touch upon, but nowhere here do i see any evidence is that even if it 'does' reverse transcribe to DNA, this occurs in germline cells, which would be required if the gene is to be inherited. Liver cells, for example are ****tic cells and not germline cells, so it's very premature to be telling people to seek a partner who isnt vaxxed to prevent passing on vax genes, when again there's not strong evidence it actually is reverse transcribed, and even less evidence it's reverse transcribed into germline cells.

I'm not a fan of the vax and don't deny certain negative facets surrounding it (hence why i remain completely vax free), but we should aim for honest dialogue in my opinion, not sensationalism to suit our belief system (this whole vax thing feels more like a war of belief than a war based on evidence, from both sides pf the public). I'm not saying the vaccine's mRNA sequence doesn't incorporate itself into ****tic cells or even the germline (although i am very skeptical about this last part, there's a large gulf between ****tic cell and germline cell changes), i'm saying we shouldn't be acting like it does when we really have very little idea at the moment.

Can't be bothered to dig for and read the full paper, so this is based on your OP.

[katya422]

Why do the skeptics continue to conflate viral spike with vaccine-encoded spike?

Probably because the vaccine-encoded spike isn't proven safe. It was tinkered with to attempt to reduce damage, however the delivery is very different:

injection > spread through the body > produced by cells all over for at least 60 days, maybe longer

vs.

inhaled or ingested then cleared post infection [7 to 10 days for most viruses]

[navid93]

^^^
Another claim that publication of studies is being blocked by vested interests.

Without googling

Define “RNA polymerase”

Define “Reverse transcriptase”

Define “viral segment“

Define “genome”

Define “spike protein”

There’s a huge difference between being able to read something scientific and actually being educated enough to understand what you’re reading.

I could have replaced those words in that tweet with random bio words and you would not have even noticed.

[OffwhiteBrah]

aaaayyyy shawty lemme get some cliffs

[Deathstroke]

I am horrified. I know vaxed couples who are expecting.

Man it’s like religion topics though. You got to speak respectfully and keep it polite irl. On here we can vent, argue, and not get heated / fired up. But I wish I could drive home the dangers of getting the vax to the younger people I converse with.

Irl when refute subjects arise like politics I often just nod my head and say, “yeah” “yup”.

[J.L.C.]

Probably because the vaccine-encoded spike isn't proven safe. It was tinkered with to attempt to reduce damage, however the delivery is very different:

injection > spread through the body > produced by cells all over for at least 60 days, maybe longer

vs.

inhaled or ingested then cleared post infection [7 to 10 days for most viruses]

Your claims aren't supported.

The spike proteins and conformationally different.

The fears expressed in this thread were demonstrated with the viral spike - not a vaccine-encoded spike.

If you're gonna be worried about changes to DNA, be worried about the virus and (repeated) infections.

[conics]

I have no idea what any of this means

Even if it does turn to dna what does that mean and why is that bad?

And did everyone get that or just ppl who got the actual thing?

[steeler505]

How do the jabs change DNA?

The short answer is:

Spoiler!

they don't.

the chit smearing, tranny banger is vaxxcel, SHOCKER

and you're wrong, it can

[conics]

Probably because the vaccine-encoded spike isn't proven safe. It was tinkered with to attempt to reduce damage, however the delivery is very different:

injection > spread through the body > produced by cells all over for at least 60 days, maybe longer

vs.

inhaled or ingested then cleared post infection [7 to 10 days for most viruses]

I read a study the spike was found 8 months post vax throughout the body.

Now I’m wondering if it’s different for each person where it goes and how long it stays?

This study was stopped after 8 months but could potentially still stay longer

Could the indications of symptoms post vax be an indication of where the spike traveled. For example if u had no symptoms or just a sore arm could u assume the spike was localized only at the injection site?

Meanwhile for ppl that have more symptoms such as myocarditis etc could we assume the spike traveled to other parts of the body?

[katya422]

But that's my exact point; people will take what you post as 'does' rather than 'can', and there's a huge distinction.

The other part you didn't touch upon, but nowhere here do i see any evidence is that even if it 'does' reverse transcribe to DNA, this occurs in germline cells, which would be required if the gene is to be inherited. Liver cells, for example are ****tic cells and not germline cells, so it's very premature to be telling people to seek a partner who isnt vaxxed to prevent passing on vax genes, when again there's not strong evidence it actually is reverse transcribed, and even less evidence it's reverse transcribed into germline cells.

I'm not a fan of the vax and don't deny certain negative facets surrounding it (hence why i remain completely vax free), but we should aim for honest dialogue in my opinion, not sensationalism to suit our belief system (this whole vax thing feels more like a war of belief than a war based on evidence, from both sides pf the public). I'm not saying the vaccine's mRNA sequence doesn't incorporate itself into ****tic cells or even the germline (although i am very skeptical about this last part, there's a large gulf between ****tic cell and germline cell changes), i'm saying we shouldn't be acting like it does when we really have very little idea at the moment.

We don't know that it will effect germline cells. We also don't know that it will NOT effect germline cells.




We DO know that the LNPs concentrated in the ovaries.


This is an older archived thread on the topic:
https://archive.md/aWY17

[J.L.C.]

the chit smearing, tranny banger is vaxxcel, SHOCKER

and you're wrong, it can

Where does he say covid vaccines alter genes (DNA)?

[TitsAlternative]

That was in vitro, and had to do with specific LINE1 sequences. And also, in vivo spike proteins do not enter the nucleus so this is not a cause for concern.

Also "jikkyleaks" is some dude on twitter and not a reliable source. Ditto for "ethicalskeptic".

[conics]

Doesn’t stop transmission and doesn’t stop infection

So what’s the point of it

Inb4 lessens severity which hasn’t been proven

It’s basically useless

[conics]

yet you took it and constantly make threads worrying about what happens you dumb fuk lmao

80% of US took it back then

No one knew anything back then


Maybe I got placebo?

[J.L.C.]

Doesn’t stop transmission and doesn’t stop infection

So what’s the point of it

Inb4 lessens severity which hasn’t been proven

It’s basically useless

Reduces chances of infection.

Plenty of evidence regarding better outcomes.

[messomi]

yet you took it and constantly make threads worrying about what happens you dumb fuk lmao

before that he made about 9 threads in a row how he didn't wanted to take it and deleted all of them end up taking it anyway now he is constantly wondering what's going to happen.

[conics]

before that he made about 9 threads in a row how he didn't wanted to take it and deleted all of them end up taking it anyway now he is constantly wondering what's going to happen.

Was basically forced

[TitsAlternative]

Was basically forced

Why are you taking anything these idiots say seriously over what your doctors say? Zoom out and think for a second.

[katya422]

80% of US took it back then

No one knew anything back then


Maybe I got placebo?

- you had 1 shot

- for those who didn't die suddenly after the 1st shot the 3rd shot seems to have the highest number of reported problems


If you are experiencing physical symptoms that concern you then talk to your doctor about it.

[TitsAlternative]

If you are experiencing physical symptoms that concern you then talk to your doctor about it.

Best advice you ever gave. But you think these people are part of a giant conspiracy to murder you. Strange you trust them for other problems.

[conics]

- you had 1 shot

- for those who didn't die suddenly after the 1st shot the 3rd shot seems to have the highest number of reported problems


If you are experiencing physical symptoms that concern you then talk to your doctor about it.

But isn’t 1 shot enough like if what ur saying about the dna stuff being true wouldn’t that all be in the first shot and same thing with the spike protein

Isn’t that all bad so idk how that’s any better

Plus no long term side effects still

I have been having chest pain last 3 weeks but I had these symptoms last year and during 2020 before I had the vax as well so I’m not sure if it’s related

The only thing is my pain is not as worse as last time so maybe it’s actually helping me

Since only 10% is partially vax there isn’t enough data on that group so idk what to expect

But I’m hoping my bod can recover go back to normal…

I’ll have to get everything tested to be sure tho

It’s hard to find a good doc these days that doesn’t care about $

Also I’m wondering do the increase % of stuff such as cancers are only for ppl 2+ doses