C*19 Death Rate WAY Lower Than Media Claimed

[nutsy54]

All I can say, is deaths spiked every time a booster was released.

You can say anything you want... But can you prove that claim? Especially since most "boosters" weren't released on a specific date, they were rolled out relative to prior vaccination date for each person. The bivalent vaccines were approved on a specific date last year (Aug 31st), but there's no corresponding spike as you claim, just LESS of the normal increase we see every Nov-Dec.

[z4v4]

I'll still never forget the sight of seeing security stationed at the food court and only those who had a vax card were allowed in.

That must have been a really tough time for you, son.

[J.L.C.]

What's the latest data on getting it more often? JLC mentioned the young would be getting it 'repeatedly'. I only know from personal experience, I have gotten it twice now, but years between them. And this second time it was the watered-down current strain that nobody seems too worked up about. With the OG strain, I was exposed to it multiple times after having it once, did not get re-get it.

My perspective is that governments and health officials figure they can handle most people getting covid a couple times a year. Us plebes will do as we do/can and see how it works out.

[katya422]

Best of luck to anyone looking for exact flu related ICU data. With flu almost nobody ever gets tested, which is why they do a huge range of guesstimates. In year ___ there were 30 to 70 million flu infections. We know every winter media would report of overflowing hospitals from flu season in Los Angeles (and other cities), with temporary tents full of flu patients set up outside some years. And of course none of what you pointed to counteracts the Stanford study.

If it makes you feel better the very elderly with multiple comorbidities were definitely at risk and dying in 2020. 30% of the US population was infected with SARS2 in 2020 (Colombia University peer reviewed study), which is more than any seasonal flu, so that definitely made things seem bad. Even with the overexaggerated younger deaths about 40% of all Covid deaths in 2020 were being reported out of nursing homes. With revised data it would probably have been more like 55-60% of all deaths were in nursing homes, where less than 1% of the population live.

Cliffs: It was far more upwardly stratified toward the elderly than originally believed, far less of a worry for everyone under 60, especially under 50. The #1 comorbidity wasn't diabetes or obesity, #1 was dementia, then liver disease and liver failure. Not a lot of people under 60 with those.

Either I didn't see that, or just don't recall seeing it.

Hence things like the Barrington Declaration. Take extra upon extra steps to protect the old, let younger healthier people get it. Instead we got an ineffective one-size fits all plan for everyone with little to no protection masks in nursing homes and hospitals, keeping them sequestered in their rooms instead of getting them outside for sunlight (Vitamin D). During the Spanish Flu pandemic they noticed patients who were left outside every day had a much better survival rate and lesser symptoms. A full century later and simple strategies like that were ignored. Not to mention Covid transmission outside was a lie that went on for awhile. The "let it rip" in younger populations would have been fine.

That's the direction Sweden leaned toward and they faired better than the UK's long lockdowns or France's repeated harsh lockdowns and 6pm curfews.

This is a good article about the public health response IMO.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...eadmore-target

It isn't about the vaccines, but about how the dialogue about the virus was manipulated and a bit about how that censure of any alternative narratives played out.

This failure to engage with a different mindset of eminent scientists and clinicians at this time has probably cost the UK Government at least a trillion pounds, given the long-lasting disastrous legacy of lockdown on everything from education, mental health and misdiagnosis leading to early deaths from cardiac and other diseases, such as cancer.

What has really drove home the relative harmlessness of covid for me is reading about essentially enforced iatrocide- doctors being forbidden from prescribing treatments to patients including HCQ and ivermectin, but also antibiotics for post-viral pneumonia.

Who thought it was a good idea to withhold antibiotics from sick mostly elderly people with pneumonia? If these same people would have been ill with flu in 2019 and had contracted pneumonia they would have had much more humane treatment and with antibiotics perhaps 3 or 4 out 5 may have recovered.








Imagine if all the hospitals and doctors would have rolled with this instead of waiting for the magic juice.




Could have at least save some hundreds of thousands from pneumonia.

[TitsAlternative]

Thats what I mean, not a single expert has recommended health and fitness to combat the Rona.

My brother for example is obese, he got some kind of cold virus last summer and he was ****ed up former 2-3 weeks. He gave it to me, and I got over it in 3 days.

Now if you're unhealthy, elderly, frail, obese, have numerous pre-exisiting conditions, etc, something like the Rona pr the flu is gonna **** you up.

Hell Keanu had the flu during the famous club shootout in the first John Wick movie.

That Ortega chick who played Wednesday Adam's had the Rona during her dance scene.

You overestimate the relevance of physical fitness to health. Even an olympic athlete in perfect condition could die of covid. It's a numbers game.

[JUSA]

You overestimate the relevance of physical fitness to health. Even an olympic athlete in perfect condition could die of covid. It's a numbers game.

The stats speak for themselves. Young and healthy people are not at significant risk.

Even an Olympic athlete can be struck in the head and killed by a falling meteor, too. We do not mandate every American wear a heavy 10lb metal helmet that slowly causes injury to their necks while slightly increasing their chance of being struck by lightning, though.

The reason we do (and should) not is because it's ineffective and addressing a non-risk. Btw, that helmet increases your chance of surviving being hit by a meteor by only 15%, it does not ensure survival even if struck by one. Ouch.

[TitsAlternative]

The stats speak for themselves. Young and healthy people are not at significant risk.

Even an Olympic athlete can be struck in the head and killed by a falling meteor, too. We do not mandate every American wear a heavy 10lb metal helmet that slowly causes injury to their necks while slightly increasing their chance of being struck by lightning, though.

The reason we do (and should) not is because it's ineffective and addressing a non-risk. Btw, that helmet increases your chance of surviving being hit by a meteor by only 15%, it does not ensure survival even if struck by one. Ouch.

I mean it is the #5 disease related cause of death in kids in the US.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2800816

Low risk does not equal no risk, and you need to understand the baseline and compare appropriately.

[Dave22reborn]

You overestimate the relevance of physical fitness to health. Even an olympic athlete in perfect condition could die of covid. It's a numbers game.

80% of deaths were from the morbidly obese, with numerous pre-exisiting conditions. You already know this, so quit being ignorant.

[TitsAlternative]

80% of deaths were from the morbidly obese, with numerous pre-exisiting conditions. You already know this, so quit being ignorant.

So what? Why does that matter? Ignorant is you thinking "healthy" people (which your ignorant fuk brain thinks means physically fit, and before you strawman this, allow me to be explicit: Some physically fit people are healthy. Some are not.) cannot die from covid. In fact, they can and have. This is a respiratory virus. Whether you beat it or not is a matter of whether your immune system produces the right binding antibodies before you die. It's a numbers game. It is not a trial of strength or machismo or a sign of masculinity, you uneducated troglodyte.

[JUSA]

I mean it is the #5 disease related cause of death in kids in the US.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2800816

Low risk does not equal no risk, and you need to understand the baseline and compare appropriately.

I'll tackle this tomorrow, I have the CDC's own link. Almost no children are dying. If it's the #5 cause, that just speaks to how rarely children die. I'll put up some #s in the morning though. Off the top of my head, something like barely over 1,000 *in total* have died from covid of non-infants under the age of 18.

It's barely any.

And, we're speaking of Olympic athletes, which I assume are top-level athletes we know have not abused PEDs, which is probably an even safer group. The analogy was an Olympic athlete in perfect condition, so one who isn't elderly or using PEDs with no other disease. Not one person fitting this criteria has died yet, have they?

Is there an Olympic-level athlete somewhere close to their prime, who we know doesn't have AIDS or anything and we do not suspect has used PEDs that died then of covid? I know it's not a large group to pick from, but you made the statement. Not me.

We can speculate it's possible, which you kind of did, but we've had enough people die of/with Covid, you'd expect someone near this description to have unfortunately passed by now, were it that likely a problem.

[Dave22reborn]

You can say anything you want... But can you prove that claim? Especially since most "boosters" weren't released on a specific date, they were rolled out relative to prior vaccination date for each person. The bivalent vaccines were approved on a specific date last year (Aug 31st), but there's no corresponding spike as you claim, just LESS of the normal increase we see every Nov-Dec.

Enlighten us boot-licker why a child should get the jab.

[TitsAlternative]

I'll tackle this tomorrow, I have the CDC's own link. Almost no children are dying. If it's the #5 cause, that just speaks to how rarely children die. I'll put up some #s in the morning though. Off the top of my head, something like barely over 1,000 *in total* have died from covid of non-infants under the age of 18. It's barely any.

You said it yourself. Children rarely die, period. But as far as infectious diseases go, this is the #1 cause of death in kids in the US.

[TitsAlternative]

Enlighten us boot-licker why a child should get the jab.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2800816

This is why.

[Dave22reborn]

So what? Why does that matter? Ignorant is you thinking "healthy" people (which your ignorant fuk brain thinks means physically fit, and before you strawman this, allow me to be explicit: Some physicially fit people are healthy. Some are not.) cannot die from covid. In fact, they can and have. This is a respiratory virus. Whether you beat it or not is a matter of whether your immune system produces the right binding antibodies before you die. It's a numbers game. It is not a trial of strength or machismo or a sign of masculinity, you uneducated troglodyte.

Majority of those who died "with" Covid, were unhealthy. You can't dispute that. We get it, you felt important during all of this, lecturing others about safety, probably praying for that "Doomsday" variant to emerge that Fauci was predicting, hopefully he dies soon.

[Dave22reborn]

You said it yourself. Children rarely die, period. But as far as infectious diseases go, this is the #1 cause of death in kids in the US.

Wait, it went from #5 to #1???

[JUSA]

Wait, it went from #5 to #1???

#1 infectious disease and the #5 reason overall. I guess 1-4 are accidents or non-disease things.

Here, I don't know. Pneumonia has been a leading cause of deaths for children in the past, I have a hard time believing covid overtook it but I haven't dived into Wincel's links, so I won't comment.

[TitsAlternative]

Wait, it went from #5 to #1???

#1 infectious disease and the #5 reason overall. I guess 1-4 are accidents or non-disease things.

Here, I don't know. Pneumonia has been a leading cause of deaths for children in the past, I have a hard time believing covid overtook it but I haven't dived into Wincel's links, so I won't comment.

There are other kinds of diseases besides infectious ones. And in fact, covid was a major cause of opportunistic pneumonia.

[TitsAlternative]

Majority of those who died "with" Covid, were unhealthy. You can't dispute that. We get it, you felt important during all of this, lecturing others about safety, probably praying for that "Doomsday" variant to emerge that Fauci was predicting, hopefully he dies soon.

I love how it's ok for you to wish death on Fauci, but you clutch pearls when people wish death on Trump or nazis or idiotic antivaxxers.

[JUSA]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2800816

This is why.

I'm looking at this now. I see one flaw to begin with, it's including children aged 0, which is bullchit. Take newborns out of the equation and those deaths halve or somewhere close to it.

Sorry, newborns have weak immune systems and I'm fairly certain are not candidates for vaccination and likely would have huge problems if they were vaccinated. That 1,300 Children they're citing should be much lower if you discount newborns.

Reading... and wait, they do address this.

Results There were 821 COVID-19 deaths among individuals aged 0 to 19 years during the study period, resulting in a crude death rate of 1.0 per 100 000 population overall; 4.3 per 100 000 for those younger than 1 year; 0.6 per 100 000 for those aged 1 to 4 years; 0.4 per 100 000 for those aged 5 to 9 years; 0.5 per 100 000 for those aged 10 to 14 years; and 1.8 per 100 000 for those aged 15 to 19 years. COVID-19 mortality in the time period of August 1, 2021, to July 31, 2022, was among the 10 leading causes of death in CYP aged 0 to 19 years in the US, ranking eighth among all causes of deaths, fifth in disease-related causes of deaths (excluding unintentional injuries, assault, and suicide), and first in deaths caused by infectious or respiratory diseases when compared with 2019. COVID-19 deaths constituted 2% of all causes of death in this age group

So anywhere from 0.6 to 1.8 per 100,000... really.

Sorry but a 0.0006% - 0.0018% chance is not significant. Moreover, we *KNOW* that the 0.6 out of 100,000 dying here is grossly obese and sickly, a 0.0% chance it was a healthy person of that age. None.

So, no, I do not think your link shows by a child should get a jab, although I do not agree with calling Nutsy a boot-licker.

[TitsAlternative]

I'm looking at this now. I see one flaw to begin with, it's including children aged 0, which is bullchit. Take newborns out of the equation and those deaths halve or somewhere close to it.

Sorry, newborns have weak immune systems and I'm fairly certain are not candidates for vaccination and likely would have huge problems if they were vaccinated. That 1,300 Children they're citing should be much lower if you discount newborns.

Reading... and wait, they do address this.

So anywhere from 0.6 to 1.8 per 100,000... really.

Sorry but a 0.001% - 0.002% chance is not significant. Moreover, we *KNOW* the 0.6 out of 100,000 dying here is grossly obese and sickly, a 0.0% chance it was a healthy person of that age. None.

So, no, I do not think your link shows by a child should get a jack, although I do not agree with calling Nutsy a boot-licker.

Was 9/11 "significant"? What does that even mean to you? And you're just going to assume none of the dead were healthy? Again, there were people who died who had no preexisting conditions and were otherwise fine. I don't understand this level of denial. You understand how a virus works right? Like I said, it's a total chance thing whether you survive or not. Being healthy helps reduce your risk, but it is still just a numbers game.

And the benefits absolutely outweigh the risks for kids. The utility of repeated boosting for kids is debatable, but vaccination is clearly worth doing, and the data supports that. If I had kids over 6 mos old, I'd give them 2 jabs of Pfizer's vaccine.

[JUSA]

Was 9/11 "significant"? What does that even mean to you? And you're just going to assume none of the dead were healthy? Again, there were people who died who had no preexisting conditions and were otherwise fine. I don't understand this level of denial. You understand how a virus works right? Like I said, it's a total chance thing whether you survive or not. Being healthy helps reduce your risk, but it is still just a numbers game.

And the benefits absolutely outweigh the risks for kids. The utility of repeated boosting is debatable, but vaccination is clearly worth doing, and the data supports that.

Yes. Thousands more dying in an instant, a declaration against the entire country and billions in damages are significant and really can't and should not be compared to people dying of a disease.

And yes, I am just going to assume none of the dead were healthy. NONE. We can make this safe assumption because we can look at the overall death numbers and see a trend so strong that it can not be ignored.

- The average age of death is 78
- Well over 1/3 of ALL that died were over the age of 85
- 80% of those that died of/with covid were obese
- The average number of comorbidities of those who died of/with was 2.8
- Of the million+ who died, only 1,000ish were aged 1-18.

So, yes, it is a very safe assumption to say none of those children who died were healthy.

And, it's a numbers game. Just like it's a numbers game to avoid being trampled by a tower of giraffes at the zoo, being struck be meteors or winning a 100 million dollar jackpot. Any of those can happen and none of them are things anyone should revolve their lives around. Nobody should live in fear of meteors or giraffes, nobody shoudl count on winning the lottery -- it's numbers game and the numbers do not lie.

You tell me how significant 0.6 out of 100,000 is again, and then take into account of that 0.6 the known data on the group of people who get hit the hardest by covid.

HEALTHY CHILDREN ARE NOT AT RISK. Period.

[TitsAlternative]

Yes. Thousands more dying in an instant, a declaration against the entire country and billions in damages are significant and really can't and should not be compared to people dying of a disease.

And yes, I am just going to assume none of the dead were healthy. NONE. We can make this safe assumption because we can look at the overall death numbers and see a trend so strong that it can not be ignored.

- The average age of death is 78
- Well over 1/3 of ALL that died were over the age of 85
- 80% of those that died of/with covid were obese
- The average number of comorbidities of those who died of/with was 2.8
- Of the million+ who died, only 1,000ish were aged 1-18.

So, yes, it is a very safe assumption to say none of those children who died were healthy.

And, it's a numbers game. Just like it's a numbers game to avoid being trampled by a tower of giraffes at the zoo, being struck be meteors or winning a 100 million dollar jackpot. Any of those can happen and none of them are things anyone should revolve their lives around. Nobody should live in fear of meteors or giraffes, nobody shoudl count on winning the lottery -- it's numbers game and the numbers do not lie.

You tell me how significant 0.6 out of 100,000 is again, and then take into account of that 0.6 the known data on the group of people who get hit the hardest by covid.

HEALTHY CHILDREN ARE NOT AT RISK. Period.

K you're entitled to your retarded opinion. Pediatricians and epidemiologists who actually went to medical school and give a chit about protecting children take a different view. I can't convince you that number of kids who died matters, nor can I convince you anyone who died to covid matters. At the end of the day, to you, they are acceptable losses. The rest of polite society does not see it that way.

[GreatOldOne]

Idk how many of these people have another condition, but quite a few people under 50 have succumbed to covid.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

72,972 as of Feb 1, 2023. Enough imo to recommend taking precautions like the vaccines unless you had a really specific medical reason not to do that.

[Dave22reborn]

I love how it's ok for you to wish death on Fauci, but you clutch pearls when people wish death on Trump or nazis or idiotic antivaxxers.

What did Trump do to the world? Or Anti-Vaxxers?

I'm not wishing him to be killed, but the truth is, when he DOES die, people will rejoice.

[TitsAlternative]

What did Trump do to the world? Or Anti-Vaxxers?

I'm not wishing him to be killed, but the truth is, when he DOES die, people will rejoice.

He armed Ukraine. He allowed the US to continue raping Syria for oil. He destroyed the Iran nuclear deal, jeopardizing the region. He nearly overthrew our government, and he provided cover for bigots to shift the Overton window. Antivaxxers have eroded the public trust in the practice of medicine and vaccination, both of which eventually lead to unnecessary and preventable deaths in people.

People will rejoice over any number of things. It doesn't matter. Rejoice all you want.

[JUSA]

K you're entitled to your retarded opinion. Pediatricians and epidemiologists who actually went to medical school and give a chit about protecting children take a different view.

You, an appeal to authority? Really. Almost a declaration of defeat coming from you.

Also, while you rather rudely assessed my thoughts as 'retarded', you didn't show it. If it was such a bad take, how did you fail so miserably to show that?

You yourself brought up the numbers. How significant is 0.6 out of 100,000? Couldn't you have shown how it is? Then the shot about pediatricians and implying I think what I do because somehow I dislike children? You who admit you hate humanity, really?

Here is your AAP, American Academy of Pediatrics, who have said to get your kids the vaccine: https://www.influencewatch.org/non-p...of-pediatrics/

No thanks, at least they got re-opening schools better than most.

Oh and here are pediatricians, who know more than you and I, saying NOT to get healthy children vaccinated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...lthy-children/

Idk how many of these people have another condition, but quite a few people under 50 have succumbed to covid.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

72,972 as of Feb 1, 2023. Enough imo to recommend taking precautions like the vaccines unless you had a really specific medical reason not to do that.

Sure, but there is a world of difference between someone 50 and a healthy 12 year old - or as WIncel suggested an Olympic athlete in perfect health.

[Dave22reborn]

Idk how many of these people have another condition, but quite a few people under 50 have succumbed to covid.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

72,972 as of Feb 1, 2023. Enough imo to recommend taking precautions like the vaccines unless you had a really specific medical reason not to do that.

Once again, you're using a blanket number, without looking at specifics.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...-or-obese.html

Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623

"You" can get jabbed all you want, I'm not getting it.

[Dave22reborn]

He armed Ukraine. He allowed the US to continue raping Syria for oil. He destroyed the Iran nuclear deal, jeopardizing the region. He nearly overthrew our government, and he provided cover for bigots to shift the Overton window. Antivaxxers have eroded the public trust in the practice of medicine and vaccination, both of which eventually lead to unnecessary and preventable deaths in people.

People will rejoice over any number of things. It doesn't matter. Rejoice all you want.

You do know that just because you don't get the flu shot, or the Rona Shot, or the Monkeypox shot, the RSV shot, etc, doesn't mean you're anti-vax?

And everyone armed Ukraine. What next, gonna bash his 100 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia?

[TitsAlternative]

Once again, you're using a blanket number, without looking at specifics.

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnb...-or-obese.html

Covid-19: Highest death rates seen in countries with most overweight populations

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n623

"You" can get jabbed all you want, I'm not getting it.

There is no need for you to get it since you already had covid twice right? So stop crying.

[GreatOldOne]

You, an appeal to authority? Really. Almost a declaration of defeat coming from you.

Also, while you rather rudely assessed by nuanced thoughts as 'retarded', you didn't show it. If it was such a bad take, how did you fail so miserably to show that?

You yourself brought up the numbers. How significant is 0.6 out of 100,000? Couldn't you have shown how it is? Then the shot about pediatricians and implying I think what I do because somehow I dislike children? You who admit you hate humanity, really?

Here is your AAP, American Academy of Pediatrics, who have said to get your kids the vaccine: https://www.influencewatch.org/non-p...of-pediatrics/

No thanks, at least they got re-opening schools better than most.

Sure, but there is a world of difference between someone 50 and a healthy 12 year old - or as WIncel suggested an Olympic athlete in perfect health.

Under 18 looks like about 1500 deaths. Relatively speaking that's low, but it's not zero...and the vaccines do significantly decrease your relative probability of serious illness or death.

I look at it like using spotter bars in your home gym for bench. That's one of the only ways to die working out alone, but if you use the safeties it's avoided. Just in the covid case it's a bit worse going for young people. It's what it is, 1500 or so. That's not earth shattering but it's not great and can be avoided for the most part it seems.