Official 2023 Season Formula 1 Thread

[LargePeter]

Max will always be THE red bull driver. Everyone knows it. He will probably be driving the RB car for the entirety of his F1 career.

After RB, what have you got for any chance at a championship; Merc, Ferrari, maybe McLaren or maybe Aston Martin.... At that point, you may as well commit to bumbling Ferrari and hope they hire another Ross Brawn or something before you're done driving in F1.

There really aren't a ton of choices.

It's at the point, right now, that if Max makes the move to another team at some point and he's still dominating the way he has at that time, the Ross Brawn type person will want to go there - it won't be a case of making the move and hoping that person comes along

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

absolute cringe fest "prize-giving ceremony"

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Lmao Mercedes is apparently suing the FIA over all this bull chit.

On the one hand, fk the FIA. But on the other hand, fk Mercedes too...


Hmmm, let's see what happens. At an absolute minimum, I'd say Mohammed Ben Sulayem is done as FIA president.

[LargePeter]

Lmao Mercedes is apparently suing the FIA over all this bull chit.

On the one hand, fk the FIA. But on the other hand, fk Mercedes too...


Hmmm, let's see what happens. At an absolute minimum, I'd say Mohammed Ben Sulayem is done as FIA president.

I haven't been following, what's the scoop?

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I haven't been following, what's the scoop?

- FIA launches investigation into Susie Wolff feeding info to Toto that he isn't supposed to know after multiple team principals allegedly brought it up as a concern
- All teams get together behind closed doors and all issue the exact same blanket statement at the exact same time of the day saying no, they didn't in fact mention any such thing
- FIA decides after a couple days "eh, maybe this investigation is a bad idea" and drop the whole thing
- Mercedes sues FIA for what I'm assuming to be something along the lines of slander or defamation of character


Rumor mill is saying this was all schemed up by Ben Sulayem since he apparently doesn't like Toto and he tried to make it seem like this was a concern that multiple team principals had, when apparently it really wasn't.

[Tuga88]

Let's not forget that before the teams said anything, Susie came out and said the whole thing was misogynist and immediately the woke mob started invading.

Pretty sure NONE of the teams want that kind of bad PR, hence the coordinated statements a day or 2 later.

I mean you'd have to be a complete idiot to think there isn't a conflict of interest between the Wolff's positions....like ofc, she never tells him anything

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I mean you'd have to be a complete idiot to think there isn't a conflict of interest between the Wolff's positions....like ofc, she never tells him anything

Of course she's telling him things he's not supposed to know.
The problem is this sort of thing is near impossible to definitively prove, and without the backing of the teams supporting their investigation, they don't have much choice but to back off.

Now of course Mercedes will not be happy until they know where the real source of all this actually came from, which is likely Ben Sulayem IF a team(s) really weren't who started it.

[Tuga88]

Of course she's telling him things he's not supposed to know.
The problem is this sort of thing is near impossible to definitively prove, and without the backing of the teams supporting their investigation, they don't have much choice but to back off.

Now of course Mercedes will not be happy until they know where the real source of all this actually came from, which is likely Ben Sulayem IF a team(s) really weren't who started it.

Oh yeah, it was a dumb move on their part, doing this with no evidence. Maybe they didn't expect the "it's sexism!!" response but they should have seen it coming.

I do wonder if some teams DID say anything and now essentially threw FIA under the bus lol.

[LargePeter]

- FIA launches investigation into Susie Wolff feeding info to Toto that he isn't supposed to know after multiple team principals allegedly brought it up as a concern
- All teams get together behind closed doors and all issue the exact same blanket statement at the exact same time of the day saying no, they didn't in fact mention any such thing
- FIA decides after a couple days "eh, maybe this investigation is a bad idea" and drop the whole thing
- Mercedes sues FIA for what I'm assuming to be something along the lines of slander or defamation of character


Rumor mill is saying this was all schemed up by Ben Sulayem since he apparently doesn't like Toto and he tried to make it seem like this was a concern that multiple team principals had, when apparently it really wasn't.

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lolwut

Ben says team principals claimed Susie was corrupted and feeding Toto info, so all team principals got together and released a statement after calling BS?

Fuk man, imagine getting cucked that hard. Liberty probably put him up to it to create drama and interest for DTS next year lulz

I know Horner had no issues. His response to Totos whining a while back was fix your fucking car

[ProSaibot]

Lmao Mercedes is apparently suing the FIA over all this bull chit.

On the one hand, fk the FIA. But on the other hand, fk Mercedes too...


Hmmm, let's see what happens. At an absolute minimum, I'd say Mohammed Ben Sulayem is done as FIA president.

Doubt it. Ben Sulayem has connections and money.

Seems more like Mercedes don't have the same power they once had (do whatever they want like those secret Pirelli testing and get away with it) and it is getting more obvious with their constant desperate fuming about any inconvenience they get.


SRS though I wish this team gets worse over time - Toto is annoying af and Hamilton isn't any different
FIA is shyt but with the Mercs amount of moaning and gaslighting drama they spread when it doesn't go their way is annoying.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I do wonder if some teams DID say anything and now essentially threw FIA under the bus lol.

Definitely possible. Most, if not all, teams do not like the FIA in general. There has been talk numerous times over the years of F1 splitting from the FIA entirely and figuring out how to govern all the rules, etc themselves.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Doubt it.

I don't. He has been doing a lot of fking up lately. Don't see him in his position for much longer. He can't open his mouth or make a move without saying or doing something stupid as ****.

[Kylehero]

Fukin LMAO

Record books:
- Fuked constantly by team
- Paid at least 50m a year 2024-29 for more of the same
- Conclusion: High priced hooker

Max - probably a 9 time WDC by the end of that period

It really is mind boggling considering the performance of Ferrari lately. Maybe if they invested a 1/4 off that salary bump into team infrastructure, they’d be able to convert some of this investment into points.

Also, what a boss move of Lewis to leave his P3 trophy behind after the Prize shoving Ceremony. F1 is becoming a clown show no longer focused on sport and only on greed, and he’s calling them out.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Also, what a boss move of Lewis to leave his P3 trophy behind after the Prize shoving Ceremony. F1 is becoming a clown show no longer focused on sport and only on greed, and he’s calling them out.

Calling them out by attending the ceremony? lol. k.

Lewis is a clown and pretends to be something that everyone with working brains sees right through.

He'd be a million times more likeable if he didn't try so hard.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

Average gap to team-mate from the champion, by year. This doesn't include races of DNF's, or significant gaps like a full lap down. Just races where both drivers were both finishing well.

Champion----Gap------Teammate---Years
Verstappen--19.931s---Perez-------2021-23
Hamilton-----11.025s--Bottas-------2017-20
Rosberg------2.811s----Hamilton---2016
Hamilton-----1.585s----Rosberg----2014-15
Vettel---------11.969s--Webber-----2010-13
Button--------5.136s---Barrichello--2009
Hamilton-----10.063s---Kovalainen-2008
Raikkonen----7.587s---Massa-------2007
Alonso--------19.326s--Fisichella----2005-06
Schumacher-10.754s---Barrichello--2000-04
Hakkinen-----4.478s----Coulthard---1998-99
Villeneuve----11.783s--Frentzen----1997
Hill------------9.513s----Villeneuve--1996

Sorry for chit-tier formatting.

[Tuga88]

F1 still churning out the content to keep everyone busy till March.

I quite enjoyed this one so sharing with my misc F1 bros.

[LargePeter]

It really is mind boggling considering the performance of Ferrari lately. Maybe if they invested a 1/4 off that salary bump into team infrastructure, they’d be able to convert some of this investment into points.

Also, what a boss move of Lewis to leave his P3 trophy behind after the Prize shoving Ceremony. F1 is becoming a clown show no longer focused on sport and only on greed, and he’s calling them out.

lolwut

This isn't Kobe refusing to shoot in the second half vs the Suns in Game 7 back in 2005 or whenever that was

Lewis is being a jerk off for the sake of being a jerkoff. The only boss thing about him may be some Hugo Boss clothing.

Average gap to team-mate from the champion, by year. This doesn't include races of DNF's, or significant gaps like a full lap down. Just races where both drivers were both finishing well.

Champion----Gap------Teammate---Years
Verstappen--19.931s---Perez-------2021-23
Hamilton-----11.025s--Bottas-------2017-20
Rosberg------2.811s----Hamilton---2016
Hamilton-----1.585s----Rosberg----2014-15
Vettel---------11.969s--Webber-----2010-13
Button--------5.136s---Barrichello--2009
Hamilton-----10.063s---Kovalainen-2008
Raikkonen----7.587s---Massa-------2007
Alonso--------19.326s--Fisichella----2005-06
Schumacher-10.754s---Barrichello--2000-04
Hakkinen-----4.478s----Coulthard---1998-99
Villeneuve----11.783s--Frentzen----1997
Hill------------9.513s----Villeneuve--1996

Sorry for chit-tier formatting.

Fuuuuuuuuck

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

A cool verstappen career overview.

https://youtu.be/NBto2iPKc_A

[Barteh]

A cool verstappen career overview.

https://youtu.be/NBto2iPKc_A

Watched that one last night. I'm sure I'm not the only one who found out through that video that it wasn't Albon who yelled "Oh my lord Max" on the team radio in Abu Dhabi 2021.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

"If you had a free day to yourself, what would you do?"

Max: "I think I'd go to the go-kart track and have some fun there."


Fking dude just loves to race. Period. I personally don't need to see another Championship from him in F1 to know that by the time his career is over, he will without a doubt go down as one of, if not THE SINGLE best driver Formula 1 has ever seen. One only needs to look at his racing career start to finish to see that he's something incredibly special that just doesn't come along often.

[LargePeter]

"If you had a free day to yourself, what would you do?"

Max: "I think I'd go to the go-kart track and have some fun there."


Fking dude just loves to race. Period. I personally don't need to see another Championship from him in F1 to know that by the time his career is over, he will without a doubt go down as one of, if not THE SINGLE best driver Formula 1 has ever seen. One only needs to look at his racing career start to finish to see that he's something incredibly special that just doesn't come along often.

It's impossible to know how good Senna would have been in this day and age but he was a once in a lifetime racing talent that was putting sub par cars in to positions they had no business being in early in his career before McLaren dominated for half a decade.

Max, I would argue, has much of the same talent but as well as being a 3x F1 WDC he's also like a top 5 in the world sim racer who lives and breathes motor racing. Senna didn't have any of that to hone his skills when not in the car.

He's also the "Racing is in my blood" guy - I have no doubt that, if Patrick Head didn't fuk with his car and wind up killing him, he would have taken at least two more titles - I also have no doubt that in the days of factory simulators and sim racing - if he chose to participate - he would be more dominant than Verstappen.

Senna will always be the GOAT as far as I'm concerned if you take into account the opportunities he wasn't afforded that exist for racing drivers now - but based on all things considered in this day and age, Max is the GOAT and I can't argue that.

That said, imagine Schumacher with his ruthlessness, his ability to just knuckle down and execute a plan (19 qualifying laps to build up a 21 second lead after a mid race strategy change in an inferior car vs Hakkinen and Coulthard in McLarens?), and his raw speed and talent with access to everything the drivers of today have. Fuark.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

You should all be following the DAKAR rally.

Sainz's papa is in 2nd place after the first stage, but this won't last very long LOL. He did have an incredible stage tho.

I'm thinking Sebastian Loeb will take it down this year, but the TOYOTA teams all look STRONG AF, so there might be an upset.

It's funny because endurance rally is TRUE driver ability. Sure, there's the durability aspect of the cars, but honestly the driving in these conditions is hell, and you have to do it for 2 weeks straight.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

Gunther Steiner is no longer leading HAAS.

Contract officially not being renewed for 2024 by Gene.

No surprise there. He seemed pretty done.