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    How are these squat and deadlift metrics?

    I managed to hit a 355-pound squat and 445-pound deadlift at 145 pounds natural. I squatted with only sleeves, and deadlifted raw. I did not use a belt. My lifetime goals were a raw 405 squat and 495 deadlift, but my back pain has become unbearable, probably because I didn't use a belt. I'm stopping here for now and I'm going to try to work this pain out, but I wanted to know how good these numbers were for raw, natural lifts. Hopefully I can reach my ultimate goals one day.
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    So you’re casually lifting these weights in your basement and have set these goals, with no idea of what’s a good squat or DL?
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    I would say quite good. Well done!
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    I would say quite good. Well done!
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    So you’re casually lifting these weights in your basement and have set these goals, with no idea of what’s a good squat or DL?
    Of course I have a "good idea" of what a good squat and deadlift are. Strengthlevel ranks my squat as advanced and my deadlift as elite. I just wanted to know what people on this forum thought, because I wanted to hear the opinions of real, experienced lifters over an automatically generated ranking. My lifts seem mediocre at best to myself.
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    While these lifts at your body weight aren't impossible, it seems unlikely unless you're just here to humble brag and get kuddos. Please post vids. You can load to youtube and add spaces to the links since you don't have 50 posts yet. In addition to being impressed, we might be able to give you some insight into what is (or isn't) likely causing your back pain.
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    Originally Posted by erigni View Post
    Of course I have a "good idea" of what a good squat and deadlift are. Strengthlevel ranks my squat as advanced and my deadlift as elite. I just wanted to know what people on this forum thought, because I wanted to hear the opinions of real, experienced lifters over an automatically generated ranking. My lifts seem mediocre at best to myself.
    I was being cheeky about your clear humble brag thread. I'm not as skeptical as others on this thread, as I think it's possible that your lifts could be legit even though they could also be partial ROM, non-existent trolling, etc.

    That being said, I don't recommend sacrificing a healthy back to push PRs at all costs. You want to look at both your form & current/past programming as the culprit. Unbearable back pain IMO is a lose-lose whether your lifts are novice, advanced or elite.
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    Originally Posted by erigni View Post
    My lifts seem mediocre at best to myself.
    Humble brag or not, if you can actually do that at your bodyweight, I think some patting yourself on the back is warranted. But come on man... Strength Level, a site which is often taken as an unofficial standard, has you advanced/elite and you find it mediocre at best? That sounds exactly like you're looking for people to compliment you, but if you really can do that, I don't see anything wrong with that.

    How about gain 50 pounds and double those numbers though?
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    I gave you some Rep Power, but I don't think it shows up until you have 50 posts.
    Unfortunately, rep power doesn’t help one to avoid injuries in the gym caused by hasty progression schemes, paulinkansas!
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    How about gain 50 pounds and double those numbers though?
    In b4 OP is posting new PRs from his wheelchair.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    In b4 OP is posting new PRs from his wheelchair.
    Well, that does (probably) leave bench at least.
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    Well, that does (probably) leave bench at least.
    swap the wheels with plates and you can do weighted dips with some parallel bars whenever you want
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    Unfortunately, rep power doesn’t help one to avoid injuries in the gym caused by hasty progression schemes, paulinkansas!
    OP is probably trying to show off. That would be like me saying that I scored in the 99% percentile of some tests in high school and the military hounded me to join for the next 6 years. 40 years later I asked a military recruiter why they wanted me so bad. He said you would have been in intelligence, analysis or a spy.
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    He said you would have been in intelligence, analysis or a spy.
    Spy Paul would be a good timeline

    My grandpa was in the army, he'd go behind enemy lines and protect the nerds who would set up explosives

    He was 6'3" 245 lbs with blond haor and blue eyes in southeast asia, so he wasn't a very good spy

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    I'll admit that I wanted to feel good about it, because my actual goals for this training cycle were 365 pounds and 455 pounds, which I failed at. Then the back pain became so bad that I decided to stop training heavy entirely for at least a month. I made this post to feel better about my progress up to this point.

    Nevertheless, I do feel like anything below 400 is beneath what a man at any weight, assuming that they aren't emaciated, should be able to accomplish eventually. Thanks for letting me know that what I accomplished is still impressive.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    Humble brag or not, if you can actually do that at your bodyweight, I think some patting yourself on the back is warranted. But come on man... Strength Level, a site which is often taken as an unofficial standard, has you advanced/elite and you find it mediocre at best? That sounds exactly like you're looking for people to compliment you, but if you really can do that, I don't see anything wrong with that.

    How about gain 50 pounds and double those numbers though?
    I guess part of it is that when you just fail a lift and know you could have done it if you were a bit more focused, it's hard to be satisfied with a ranking.

    If I gained 50 pounds, it would either be muscle with the help of anabolics, or fat. I'm very short, and I may have filled out my frame as a natural, although maybe not. I prefer a six-pack over being extremely strong.
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    Originally Posted by air2fakie View Post
    I was being cheeky about your clear humble brag thread. I'm not as skeptical as others on this thread, as I think it's possible that your lifts could be legit even though they could also be partial ROM, non-existent trolling, etc.

    That being said, I don't recommend sacrificing a healthy back to push PRs at all costs. You want to look at both your form & current/past programming as the culprit. Unbearable back pain IMO is a lose-lose whether your lifts are novice, advanced or elite.
    Yeah, I'm going to have to improve my form and start wearing a belt. I'm also going to follow all the advice that I was given in the other thread I made, although I'm still reluctant to do those hip abductions I was recommended in public.
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    Originally Posted by erigni View Post
    Yeah, I'm going to have to improve my form and start wearing a belt. I'm also going to follow all the advice that I was given in the other thread I made, although I'm still reluctant to do those hip abductions I was recommended in public.
    Keep in mind you can still get hurt with a belt if you have form deficiencies & are beyond your capacity. Also, if you know your back is at risk at certain weights, don't lift it.

    Nothing wrong with hip abductions, man up if you feel you need them. If it helps, girls next to you on the adduction machine will often strike up a friendly or humorous conversation when they see a 3x bw DLer like yourself on their machines.
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    swap the wheels with plates and you can do weighted dips with some parallel bars whenever you want
    Bet he can do wheelchair + 135 dips for sets of 10
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    Originally Posted by Camarija View Post
    My grandpa was in the army, he'd go behind enemy lines and protect the nerds who would set up explosives

    He was 6'3" 245 lbs with blond haor and blue eyes in southeast asia,
    My wife's dad left high school and joined the Army when he was 17. World War 2. He was a scout in the Philippines. He came back with a bunch of Japanese shoulder patches and ears.
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