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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    Or protestants are in the same boat based on the statement as protestants are alleged to have accidentally spun off into the "correct church" no thx

    I'll stick with the foundation of Christianity.

    Which church is following scripture?

    The catholic church has an ugly history, and some strange teaching, for example the teaching of purgatory, and how your love ones can shorten their trip in purgatory if you donate to the church.

    Maybe the catholic church was the first, but does that mean they are not heretical?

    I grew up in a catholic home, and after reading the bible for myself things just didnt add up.
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    Which church is following scripture?

    The catholic church has an ugly history, and some strange teaching, for example the teaching of purgatory, and how your love ones can shorten their trip in purgatory if you donate to the church.

    Maybe the catholic church was the first, but does that mean they are not heretical?

    I grew up in a catholic home, and after reading the bible for myself things just didnt add up.
    Catholics also invented the idea that the soul is immortal which contradicts the bible
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    Originally Posted by CelkyN6 View Post
    Evangelicucks =/= Christians.
    Do you know Jesus's last command in the book of Matthew was to evangelize?

    Matthew 28:16-20
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    16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go.(A) 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.(B) 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,(C) baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(D) 20 and teaching(E) them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you(F) always, to the very end of the age.”(G)
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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    Catholics also invented the idea that the soul is immortal which contradicts the bible
    Lots of things in the Bible contradicts the Bible, which makes a good read. You read it cover to cover yet or nah?
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    Do you know Jesus's last command in the book of Matthew was to evangelize?
    That's like saying a group labeling themselves "true believers" automatically makes them saved.

    All I'm gonna say for the 'catholics aren't christians' debate is there's a reason people are leaving mainstream christianity in droves but not catholicism.
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    Originally Posted by CelkyN6 View Post
    That's like saying a group labeling themselves "true believers" automatically makes them saved
    If you're gonna be a Christian the least you can do is teach what Jesus taught, otherwise you are just a hypocrite.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Lots of things in the Bible contradicts the Bible, which makes a good read. You read it cover to cover yet or nah?
    There isn't a single reference to the soul being immortal in the bible, it's literally just something Catholics pulled out of their hat.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Lots of things in the Bible contradicts the Bible, which makes a good read. You read it cover to cover yet or nah?
    Can you point out just one those contradiction?

    I guarentee if you read the bible in context there are zero contradictions.

    The key is context, context, context.
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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    There isn't a single reference to the soul being immortal in the bible, it's literally just something Catholics pulled out of their hat.
    "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    Can you point out just one those contradiction?

    I guarentee if you read the bible in context there are zero contradictions.

    The key is context, context, context.
    The genealogy of Jesus between Luke and Matthew.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
    ?

    That's referring to the fact that man can't kill your soul. That doesn't make it immortal

    If you seriously think that says the soul is immortal than it shows your standard for 'contradiction' is retarded.



    The next verse literally says "Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."
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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    ?

    That's referring to the fact that man can't kill your soul. That doesn't make it immortal

    If you seriously think that says the soul is immortal than it shows your standard for 'contradiction' is retarded.
    I didn't say it was a contradiction.

    If man can't kill your soul and a saved soul has everlasting life, what's up, son?
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul."
    Think he might've been implying that the souls of non-believers aren't stated as immortal, because there are countless references to believers having eternal life.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    The genealogy of Jesus between Luke and Matthew.
    That's an easy one, one book is the genealogy going back from Mary,
    And the other going back from Joseph, and using both genealogy regardless of Mary's or Joseph, Jesus bloodline goes all the way back to David.
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    Maybe the catholic church was the first, but does that mean they are not heretical?
    The guys who make it up in the first place can't be heretical, duh. Anyone who says anything contrary to what they say is the heretic, that's the rules.
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    Originally Posted by Muscle2021 View Post
    Catholics are Christian but not all Christians are Catholics.
    Furthermore Catholicism is like the tree trunk of the tree that is Christianity.
    Without Catholicism there would be no Christians... well maybe Orthodox.
    Congratulations sir. You've won the stupidest post of the day award.

    Originally Posted by Deathstroke View Post
    Catholic Church was the first church of Christ. Peter is the first pope. Whatever its original intent I believe it has become a corruption of the truth.

    I’m a seventh day Adventist believer myself.
    LOL Peter was NEVER the first pope. Roman Catholicism is utter bullchit. It's based on different pagan beliefs. Also, the stupid religion came to be only because their own people were converting to Christianity and they knew they were losing the battle for control. Instead, they made up the catholic church along with their stupid rules and persecuted Christians to convert or else die. This was part of the Roman Crusades.

    Anything other than non-denomination bible-based Christianity is bullchit. There is only 1 way to salvation and that is through Jesus Christ. Even Jews will die in hell because they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Good luck filthy jews.
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    Originally Posted by niospecv View Post

    Anything other than non-denomination bible-based Christianity is bullchit. There is only 1 way to salvation and that is through Jesus Christ. Even Jews will die in hell because they don't recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Good luck filthy jews.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    The genealogy of Jesus between Luke and Matthew.
    Theres a really easy explanation for this, one genealogy is following Joseph's blood line, and the other one is following Mary's.

    And using both, Jesus is still a descendant of King David, regardless of which blood line you follow.

    When I was really young in my walk like you, I also wondered about this "contradiction" but after a little digging, not much, I learned I was wrong, and the Bible was right.
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    Theres a really easy explanation for this, one genealogy is following Joseph's blood line, and the other one is following Mary's.
    Speculation does not mean the contradiction does not exist.

    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    When I was really young in my walk like you
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Speculation does not mean the contradiction does not exist.



    Lmao.
    How many different paths of genealogy are there on any family tree?

    Two separate paths not matching up is no a "contradiction"
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    How many different paths of genealogy are there on any family tree?
    For the same person? You tell me.
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    For the same person? You tell me.
    Many.

    Ironically the catholic bible does contradict itself with the extra books they added to it 500 years ago.

    Another red flag in the catholic church.
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    Originally Posted by CelkyN6 View Post
    Think he might've been implying that the souls of non-believers aren't stated as immortal, because there are countless references to believers having eternal life.
    Yes that's right. The fact believers are GIVEN eternal life proves what I'm saying.

    The immortal soul is Greek mythology, Catholics combined the two and now basically every denomination (including Islam which branched from Christianity) teaches it because of a couple symbolic verses in Revelation
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    Originally Posted by BlackJack619 View Post
    Many.

    Ironically the catholic bible does contradict itself with the extra books they added to it 500 years ago.

    Another red flag in the catholic church.
    Lol. You're not going to get me to defend Catholicism. Still doesn't change the over 100 contradictions in the Bible that people will gaslight to explain.
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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    Yes that's right. The fact believers are GIVEN eternal life proves what I'm saying.
    Where do non-believers go or do they just die and that's that?
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    Originally Posted by z4v4 View Post
    Where do non-believers go or do they just die and that's that?
    They are in hell which is the grave until the resurrection of the just and unjust.

    The final judgement is either eternal life if you accept Christ, or death in the lake of fire after being shamed before God and the holy angels.
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    Originally Posted by ninetynine8 View Post
    They are in hell which is the grave until the resurrection of the just and unjust.

    The final judgement is either eternal life if you accept Christ, or death in the lake of fire after being shamed before God and the holy angels.
    So "Shame on you! Off to hell you go!" is what happens upon death to a non-believer? What happens in hell? Does one just cease living and that's that, or is there an eternity of torture and suffering?
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