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    Weight Loss Is Simply Calories In Vs Calories Out

    Why do people cope and use other factors like sleep, hormones, thyroids etc
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    People like to make excuses for failure, they don't want to admit they're eating too much/not moving enough.
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    Originally Posted by aranadiscoteca View Post
    People like to make excuses for failure, they don't want to admit they're eating too much/not moving enough.
    some sloot was arguing with me making all these excuses and i just gave up, cant change a stupid persons mind
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    You can’t just track calories; you also need macros and food quality

    Unless you don’t care about health or body composition
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    Originally Posted by Ironface View Post
    You can’t just track calories; you also need macros and food quality

    Unless you don’t care about health or body composition
    thats not gonna effect weight gain/loss, thats a different argument
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    Originally Posted by Bishomang View Post
    Why do people cope and use other factors like sleep, hormones, thyroids etc
    Yes and no.

    Most people do not count calories, will never count calories, and have zero interest in counting calories, for those people you have to use other tricks to get them to eat less calories, that’s where hormones come in, this is why low carb diets are so popular, generally they make people less hungry, so they eat less calories. that effect is hormonal.

    Also, nobody’s really interested in losing weight, people are interested in losing fat, this is where the macros come in.
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Yes and no.

    Most people do not count calories, will never count calories, and have zero interest in counting calories, for those people you have to use other tricks to get them to eat less calories, that’s where hormones come in, this is why low carb diets are so popular, generally they make people less hungry, so they eat less calories. that effect is hormonal.

    Also, nobody’s really interested in losing weight, people are interested in losing fat, this is where the macros come in.
    interesting point with the low carb thing, never looked at it like that.
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    Naw no way , first of all your not even taking in the thermobolic effect of protein

    Eat 2000 kcal of doughy nuts vs

    2000 kcal of chicken (is only like eating 1400 kcal because 30% metabolized to break protein down)
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    Originally Posted by hydraides View Post
    Naw no way , first of all your not even taking in the thermobolic effect of protein

    Eat 2000 kcal of doughy nuts vs

    2000 kcal of chicken (is only like eating 1400 kcal because 30% metabolized to break protein down)
    sounds like cope
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    People act like tracking calories and macros is something only a scientist can do

    Reality is they can just use a free app and it takes about 10 minutes a day.

    of course if they do that they they will have to face the fact that they are the ones to blame and not some magical hormone thing or metabolism crap.
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    Weight loss? that's kind of a generic Redditor Pheggytiem statement anyways. Body composition, fat loss, muscle gain are more specific goals, as another miscer pointed out. And none of those are simple IMO.

    Sure, anyone can just starve and lose weight. Your body will just gain it back immediately.
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    Originally Posted by Bishomang View Post
    Why do people cope and use other factors like sleep, hormones, thyroids etc
    You're right it goes back to your calories. With that being said, those factors are important and come into play in the way we feel when dieting down.
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    Originally Posted by crupiea View Post
    People act like tracking calories and macros is something only a scientist can do

    Reality is they can just use a free app and it takes about 10 minutes a day.

    of course if they do that they they will have to face the fact that they are the ones to blame and not some magical hormone thing or metabolism crap.
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    I also think 'plateaus' arent real.... If the person was honestly tracking their food, theyd see exactly why they "plateaud"
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    And alcoholics just need to stop drinking.

    What is all the cope with this addiction talk?

    Easy for me to say, since I don’t have an addiction to alcohol. Right?

    Do you see now how something can be true but also useless to say?
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    Originally Posted by hydraides View Post
    Naw no way , first of all your not even taking in the thermobolic effect of protein

    Eat 2000 kcal of doughy nuts vs

    2000 kcal of chicken (is only like eating 1400 kcal because 30% metabolized to break protein down)
    Okay but at the end of the day, what does this mean? The amount of weight you lose is still based on CALORIES and the deficit you create.

    2000cals of donuts doesnt = 2000cals of chicken because of the thermic effect of food, but if you take that into account and adjust (lets say TEF of donuts if 10% and chicken is 30% just for example sake)

    So if 2000 cals of donuts - 10% is actually 1800 calories after TEF, and then you go and eat ~2570 cals of chicken - 30% = 1800, and your maintenance is 2000, you'll have that same 200 calorie deficit and lose the same amount of WEIGHT.

    What is important here though is that you'll likely hold on to much more muscle by eating the chicken (over the long term, when combined with resistance training) and lose more fat. Fat free mass is what makes up your BMR, thus itll keep your metabolism (and TDEE) higher than if you were to try to lose fat eating highly processed and palatable food (donuts).

    Like someone else in the thread said, people should be aiming for FAT loss not weight loss, but a lot of people just want to see the scale go down by any means necessary when dieting and this is a big no-no
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    Calories aren't even a measure of human energy. The entire CICO model is bs.
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    Originally Posted by Gronnie View Post
    Calories aren't even a measure of human energy. The entire CICO model is bs.
    It's not BS at all.

    But it's just not the only consideration.

    You're doing the same thing OP is doing, simplifying to an extreme. You're both wrong.
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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    And alcoholics just need to stop drinking.

    What is all the cope with this addiction talk?

    Easy for me to say, since I don’t have an addiction to alcohol. Right?

    Do you see now how something can be true but also useless to say?
    that’s nothing to do with what the OP is sayin


    He’s saying that some people think losing weight isn’t even related to calorie expedientare and that other factors play a role and stop them from losing weight
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    Originally Posted by Gronnie View Post
    Calories aren't even a measure of human energy. The entire CICO model is bs.
    Interesting take, what makes you say that? never heard this one before (no hate just curious of your perspective)

    I do agree that trackers and food labels are generally way off, but they give us a base and place to start, and then you can make weekly (or so) adjustments.
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    Originally Posted by AriesTH View Post
    Interesting take, what makes you say that? never heard this one before (no hate just curious of your perspective)

    I do agree that trackers and food labels are generally way off, but they give us a base and place to start, and then you can make weekly (or so) adjustments.
    Calories are a measure of heat. The human body runs on chemical energy. It's also not a closed thermal system.
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    Originally Posted by ChrisPrattt View Post
    that’s nothing to do with what the OP is sayin
    Then you didn't think about it hard enough.

    It's a good analogy. There are other factors to consider besides just calories, even though energy expenditure vs intake does ultimately regulate bodyweight.

    Just like there are other factors to consider besides just quitting alcohol despite the fact that you can literally cure it by stopping the habit right now.
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    Originally Posted by AriesTH View Post
    Interesting take, what makes you say that? never heard this one before (no hate just curious of your perspective)

    I do agree that trackers and food labels are generally way off, but they give us a base and place to start, and then you can make weekly (or so) adjustments.
    Originally Posted by Gronnie View Post
    Calories are a measure of heat. The human body runs on chemical energy. It's also not a closed thermal system.
    Aries if you want more information on this, Gary Taubes writes about it in his books.
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    Originally Posted by DrewDarden View Post
    It's not BS at all.

    But it's just not the only consideration.

    You're doing the same thing OP is doing, simplifying to an extreme. You're both wrong.
    Let me clarify -- energy in energy out will dictate a large part of what you weigh. Calories however are not the correct way to measure energy in and energy out will be dictated by a ton of things.... certainly not just some bs TDEE calculator.
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