Will Chinese anti-lockdown protests work?

[frankdtank20]

Thoughts on the Chinese protests across much of China against the Coof lockdowns? I wish I were hopeful they would accomplish something but I don't think they will. Look at how Canada shut down the trucker protests, and that's a "liberal" republic, so what are the chances of getting the CCP to stop the lockdowns?

Will Xi and the CCP suddenly realize there's no fighting the virus, you just have to let it run its course? That's the only way the lockdowns end it seems. They can't keep a big chunk of the country in perpetual lockdown can they? If they keep up the lockdowns isn't homegrown terrorism inevitable?

[N0stradamus]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the CCP gives a f/ck about its citizens. Nobody knows the real reason for these lockdowns, but it's definitely not to protect the public.

[HateLiberals]

It'll work in them shoving protestor or whoever they want to disappear into them

[Dave22reborn]

Did they work in Western Liberal countries? Canada, Australia? Why would they work in China?

[frankdtank20]

LOL @ anyone who thinks the CCP gives a f/ck about its citizens. Nobody knows the real reason for these lockdowns, but it's definitely not to protect the public.

The only reason I can see the CCP keeping up the lockdowns is to use them as a scapegoat. Maybe they think the lockdowns will prevent their real estate implosion from getting worse. Pandemic measures caused a real estate bubble across the West, so maybe they're counting on hard lockdowns to prevent their unique real estate problem from rapidly getting out of hand. Hoping that under hard lockdown people will stick with their mostly useless over investment in empty real estate. And if the lockdowns don't stop the implosion the CCP can stick with "we were trying to keep you safe, don't blame us" excuse.

That's all the comes to me off the top of my head, because you're right, it sure as chit isn't about protecting the public, from what is now a common cold virus.

[ParsleyTea]

I doubt the purpose of the Chinese harsh lockdowns have much to do with health reasons. Xi and the communist party I'm guessing feel threatened by the growing Chinese wealthy business class. More western firms will feel it will be better to manufacture products in other countries, and Xi will be happy about that.

[sfgiants13]

Did they work in Western Liberal countries? Canada, Australia? Why would they work in China?

To be fair the truckers sent Trudeau into hiding. That’s a win in my book.

[frankdtank20]

I doubt the purpose of the Chinese harsh lockdowns have much to do with health reasons. Xi and the communist party I'm guessing feel threatened by the growing Chinese wealthy business class. More western firms will feel it will be better to manufacture products in other countries, and Xi will be happy about that.

Interesting take. I don't know much about their wealthy business class and why that's a threat specifically in China. Their wealth makes them harder to control? I know the CCP has kidnapped billionaires, so I'm not sure what to make of it. Manufacturing is definitely heading outward and won't be coming back, so it seems there are going to be a lot of idle hands. If those idle hands cause a problem the CCP can easily act as a police state, so they know they have that under wraps. But what of their economy? I don't see them magically going from being the world's factory to becoming a service based economy like advanced economies. That seems like trying to force tradies to become nurses overnight, but at a societal level.

Everything the CCP is doing seems like cutting off their country's nose to spite their face.

No matter what "the golden bull" isn't rising this century.

[frankdtank20]

They already have. The American public has literally zero, and I mean zero awareness how far along China has come across the board and what they are capable of. Instead, they are influenced by Youtube videos sensationalizing housing crises "leading to the collapse of China", debt traps "leading to the collapse of China", or sentiment promoting the "inferiority" of Chinese ingenuity and production. This is one area where the US Government and MSM have absolutely failed us.

From one perspective, the sheer volume of successful space launches they are executing every year and type of technology they are putting in space has the right people very concerned.... yet crickets from institutions that should be educating us. And that's just one piece of China's development.

Fair points about tech developments. Their real estate problem isn't going to cause a mythical collapse obviously, it will definitely hurt their economy for awhile. And it is inevitable, just a matter of when and how quickly it wrecks their economy for several years like "green energy" pushes are wrecking Western economies compared to where they ought to be.

But China's bigger problem is demographic. They don't have 1.4 Billion people. It's 1.3 Billion and has been shrinking for years already. The shrink is going to accelerate and more and more resources will need to be devoted to caring for the elderly with a smaller and smaller base of young and middle aged people to support the elderly. It's why China will likely never escape the middle income trap. They're on a path to having more power on the world stage through technology while as a whole being a non wealthy nation.

And you definitely overestimate with the use of the word "ingenuity." China is a pirate, copying IP from all over the world. We don't call them on it, because we rely on them to mostly make our stuff cheaply, which itself is changing. I don't see their plans to treat Africa essentially as a colony working out in the long term either. There will be more pushback as time goes by. The West is definitely weakening itself through self-destruction, but I simply don't see China rising to take its place. Japan is more of a juggernaut in the 21st Century even with 1/10th of China's population.



Edit: this is getting off topic, by the way. I'd much rather this stay on track about lockdowns and when the CCP will relent on those.

[Dave22reborn]

Biden administration reacts with caution to China protests

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/1...covid-00070924

[N0stradamus]

My theory is that these zero COVID lockdowns are meant to get people to breed. China maybe trying to avert a population collapse like in Japan, S Korea and Russia.

[turk75]

Based ass business owner knocks down F@gg0ty walls put around his restaurant:

[Dave22reborn]

My theory is that these zero COVID lockdowns are meant to get people to breed. China maybe trying to avert a population collapse like in Japan, S Korea and Russia.

A population collapse??? What is with people like you that believes there has to be constant population growth on this planet???

[frankdtank20]

A population collapse??? What is with people like you that believes there has to be constant population growth on this planet???

South Korea's fertility rate is less than 1 per woman. In reality China's is barely over 1 (they of course lie about it). In 50 or so years their populations are going to be half what they are right now. That may sound gradual but it's going to be slow at first and then really get going quickly. China is going to have 1 working person per retiree as best case scenario. BRB it's the year 2055 and they're losing the equivalent of a medium sized American city every 1-2 days.

[N0stradamus]

A population collapse??? What is with people like you that believes there has to be constant population growth on this planet???

Please improve your reading comprehension. I never said I want or advocate for population increase. I'm throwing out a theory. but like I also said, no one really knows what the CCP's end game is.

[Dave22reborn]

South Korea's fertility rate is less than 1 per woman. In reality China's is barely over 1 (they of course lie about it). In 50 or so years their populations are going to be half what they are right now. That may sound gradual but it's going to be slow at first and then really get going quickly. China is going to have 1 working person per retiree as best case scenario. BRB it's the year 2055 and they're losing the equivalent of a medium sized American city every 1-2 days.

Okay??? Does China really need 1.3 billion people? We have what??? Close to 350 million??? Were we worse off when we had 250 million?

[AlwaysFocus]

To be fair the truckers sent Trudeau into hiding. That’s a win in my book.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

Lmao.... And to think all the retards in the USA who virtue signalled in favor of lockdowns, will now virtue signal in favor of china protesting lockdowns.

Nothing has changed. You were fooled.

[saltypits]

Please improve your reading comprehension. I never said I want or advocate for population increase. I'm throwing out a theory. but like I also said, no one really knows what the CCP's end game is.

It is impossible to for them to reverse course on their population reduction unless they clone like 500 million Michelle Yeohs.

[PyleShazam]

Aren't they also trying to start nationalizing housing?

[saltypits]

I don't think they are really worried about population reductions, it's in the best interest of the WEF & China's mutual goals. Whatever's leftover they're going to use to pursue their own version of Manifest Destiny anyways.

They realize they have too many people. Mao wanted a large standing army and then the nuclear bomb came along. Just another case of Chinese leaders fuking up.

[saltypits]

Aren't they also trying to start nationalizing housing?

You don’t even own the land, you lease it. So what’s to nationalize.

[saltypits]

This is how they show the world cup.

[BlackHeart.au]

Thoughts on the Chinese protests across much of China against the Coof lockdowns? I wish I were hopeful they would accomplish something but I don't think they will. Look at how Canada shut down the trucker protests, and that's a "liberal" republic, so what are the chances of getting the CCP to stop the lockdowns?

Will Xi and the CCP suddenly realize there's no fighting the virus, you just have to let it run its course? That's the only way the lockdowns end it seems. They can't keep a big chunk of the country in perpetual lockdown can they? If they keep up the lockdowns isn't homegrown terrorism inevitable?

The "Lockdowns" are done to destroy the supply for western nations. What they're doing, is crippling the west by keeping the US FED to keep on tightening monetary balanced sheet until the system collapses.

China is working with the "World Economic forum" as a beta test for when we have new "Climate Lockdowns" in the west.

CBDC's are rolling out, then our current energy & financial system will collapse.

Welcome to the "Great Reset"

[ParsleyTea]

Was disappointed to read this morning that Apple is working with the Chinese communists to suppress messages from the Chinese COVID protestors.


Elon Musk Wants Answers About Apple’s Support Of Censorship

https://thefederalist.com/2022/11/28...of-censorship/

[BlackHeart.au]

Was disappointed to read this morning that Apple is working with the Chinese communists to suppress messages from the Chinese COVID protestors.


Elon Musk Wants Answers About Apple’s Support Of Censorship

https://thefederalist.com/2022/11/28...of-censorship/

Apple securities would take a major hit with this. Probably drag the whole market along with it LOL

[frankdtank20]

Okay??? Does China really need 1.3 billion people? We have what??? Close to 350 million??? Were we worse off when we had 250 million?

It isn't about any specific number. It's what happens AS their population quickly goes down. China technically has a social security system in place, operated by their provinces, but not really. They don't have the money to dole out the elderly now, much less when there is 1 retiree for every 1 worker. Their very top heavy aged population and small base of young people to support the elderly is going to financially cripple China, making western worries about our ageing populations seem like a walk in the park.

And China already has entire ghost cities (and villages), where 30,000 people live in a city built for millions. Similar will be happening in many of their currently
second and third tier congested cities, the ones with lots of people that most of us have never even heard of. The hollowing out will happen through the mere passage of time. Resources won't be spent to keep up cities that are demographically fading fast. Infrastructure and services will crumble in said places. They'll be begging for help they will not receive. A lot of the issue is the speed their population will be decreasing too, which goes further than what I've mentioned above. One small piece is think of all the resources spent just on the death industry, the courts to figure out wills and inheritances and other arrangements when their rate of natural death is like a light pandemic's figures, but every year.


But to be fair I'm sure China will figure out some fixes. "Over age 50 and feeling sad and depressed? Call this number to see if CCP medically assisted suicide is right for you" the way Big Pharma advertises drugs to us. I'm sure most of the assisted suicides will be voluntary, after it's promoted as the patriotic thing to do. They'll probably have incentives set up for the families left behind.

[BlackHeart.au]

It isn't about any specific number. It's what happens AS their population quickly goes down. China technically has a social security system in place, operated by their provinces, but not really. They don't have the money to dole out the elderly now, much less when there is 1 retiree for every 1 worker. Their very top heavy aged population and small base of young people to support the elderly is going to financially cripple China, making western worries about our ageing populations seem like a walk in the park.

And China already has entire ghost cities (and villages), where 30,000 people live in a city built for millions. Similar will be happening in many of their currently
second and third tier congested cities, the ones with lots of people that most of us have never even heard of. The hollowing out will happen through the mere passage of time. Resources won't be spent to keep up cities that are demographically fading fast. Infrastructure and services will crumble in said places. They'll be begging for help they will not receive. A lot of the issue is the speed their population will be decreasing too, which goes further than what I've mentioned above. One small piece is think of all the resources spent just on the death industry, the courts to figure out wills and inheritances and other arrangements when their rate of natural death is like a light pandemic's figures, but every year.


But to be fair I'm sure China will figure out some fixes. "Over age 50 and feeling sad and depressed? Call this number to see if CCP medically assisted suicide is right for you" the way Big Pharma advertises drugs to us. I'm sure most of the assisted suicides will be voluntary, after it's promoted as the patriotic thing to do. They'll probably have incentives set up for the families left behind.

If you don't have any idea about the WEF & China, then you have no fkn clue what's going on (Ded Fkn Srs)

[J.L.C.]

They need more honking.