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    REJOICE - Sony and Microsoft do not plan to release any new consoles until 2028

    In its response to the CMA’s concerns, Microsoft said the next generation of consoles is many years away and claimed any impact from the Activision deal was highly speculative.

    “The Parties [Microsoft and Activision] do not dispute that some portion of gamers are likely to re-assess their console ownership at the start of a new generation,” it wrote. “But they also note that this is an event that only occurs approximately every eight years.

    “I[n]need the next new generation of consoles are not expected to be released before the fall of 2028 at the very earliest.”
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    Thank god.

    Bring on a Pro version in 2025 or even 2026, let that ride it out to 2028 and then drop the next gen. This gives plenty of room for the new consoles to breathe and for dev's to make full use of their power.
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    How is this a rejoice. Literally no one expected different, it's the standard console cycle.
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    Originally Posted by Coal Man View Post
    How is this a rejoice. Literally no one expected different, it's the standard console cycle.

    Because "no new console" might also mean no new pro console, which I am fine with. Fine with a pro as well, but i dont need to see one until at least 2025/2026 but I know people on here want one like asap.
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    Once again consoles will remain lightyears behind PC in terms of performance. As of now, PC GPU's and CPU's are already basically 2 generations ahead.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Because "no new console" might also mean no new pro console, which I am fine with. Fine with a pro as well, but i dont need to see one until at least 2025/2026 but I know people on here want one like asap.
    I didn't click the link cuz again this is all just a bunch of dramatic chit to get the deal to go through/be stopped but from the part you quoted there's nothing to indicate they were speaking about pro models. A ps5 pro will just be counted as a ps5 anyway.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Once again consoles will remain lightyears behind PC in terms of performance. As of now, PC GPU's and CPU's are already basically 2 generations ahead.
    Dude the thread has nothing to do with console vs PC graphics yet you insecure PCcels have to mention it in every thread for some reason lmao. Seek help.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Because "no new console" might also mean no new pro console, which I am fine with. Fine with a pro as well, but i dont need to see one until at least 2025/2026 but I know people on here want one like asap.
    I agree here. I’m not buying the pro version of either this time if they do release. I’d prefer they didn’t and just focus on avoiding what they went through with this gen.
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    Of course they won't; it took 2+ years just for PlayStation units to become available to the general public

    Now they can finally start making some games for it, there's like 5 PS5 titles lmao



    Wait maybe that's why they called it a PS(5)

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    Originally Posted by blissful88 View Post
    Of course they won't; it took 2+ years just for PlayStation units to become available to the general public

    Now they can finally start making some games for it, there's like 5 PS5 titles lmao



    Wait maybe that's why they called it a PS(5)

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    no wonder.. 2 years in and they still releasing cross gen games, probably another 2 just to get games that somewhat take full advantage of the console tech
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    no wonder.. 2 years in and they still releasing cross gen games, probably another 2 just to get games that somewhat take full advantage of the console tech
    As of next year bro. Ragnarok was the last ps4 exclusive. I totally understand why some exclusives are cross gen. Development time for games could be 5 years. Much of these games were started being worked on with ps4 in mind.
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    VERY GOOD serious.

    Games look more than good enough already and if devs keep giving the choice of you giving more importance to gfx or framerate I'm good.

    "Bu muh raytracing" nobody cares besides basement dwelling nerds. We want good games.

    And because of the SSD, we finally have good loading times too.

    I have no problem at all for this console to last untill 2030, serious.
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    Originally Posted by bongowongo View Post
    Because "no new console" might also mean no new pro console, which I am fine with. Fine with a pro as well, but i dont need to see one until at least 2025/2026 but I know people on here want one like asap.
    Nah, that makes no sense. They are talking about a new generation in the context of the statement. And it's not as if they are dropping mid gen refreshes with how wildly succesful they were last gen. Couple that with you are finally starting to be able to find these things in stock, so mid gen makes more sense now than ever. Everything should go down just as it did last gen, just delayed because of chip shortages. Remeber, Sony has had their dual GPU PS5Pro patented for forever now.

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    VERY GOOD serious.

    Games look more than good enough already and if devs keep giving the choice of you giving more importance to gfx or framerate I'm good.

    "Bu muh raytracing" nobody cares besides basement dwelling nerds. We want good games.

    And because of the SSD, we finally have good loading times too.

    I have no problem at all for this console to last untill 2030, serious.
    I care about RayTracing. To me lighting in games makes a huge difference in reality and immersion.

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    Dude the thread has nothing to do with console vs PC graphics yet you insecure PCcels have to mention it in every thread for some reason lmao. Seek help.
    Imagine being a PCcel. Clear to me based upon the actions and reactions of PCcels on this board that it's the most miserable life existance one could possibly have.
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    After just purchasing a PS5 recently I’m not wanting to see a PS5 pro or PS6 for a long long time.

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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post

    I care about RayTracing. To me lighting in games makes a huge difference in reality and immersion.
    Old school lighting technics are good enough if implemented well.

    And tell me what do you care about most; gameplay or graphics?
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    Nah, that makes no sense. They are talking about a new generation in the context of the statement. And it's not as if they are dropping mid gen refreshes with how wildly succesful they were last gen. Couple that with you are finally starting to be able to find these things in stock, so mid gen makes more sense now than ever. Everything should go down just as it did last gen, just delayed because of chip shortages. Remeber, Sony has had their dual GPU PS5Pro patented for forever now.

    Yeah, but those consoles were severely gimped with chit tier cpus and needed a "refresh" despite the refresh being subpar as fuk lol... This gen has been a substantial upgrade, esp in terms of cpu and now ssds.

    But yeah, I'm sure we'll see a mid gen refresh eventually, i'll be there day one even though I prefer they dont.
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    Originally Posted by ****inator View Post
    Old school lighting technics are good enough if implemented well.

    And tell me what do you care about most; gameplay or graphics?
    First statement is opinion, and I disagree with yours

    Gameplay, obviously, probably the opinion of everyone but EOD. Doesn't mean graphics are meaningless though, still bring a lot to a game IMO.

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    Yeah, but those consoles were severely gimped with chit tier cpus and needed a "refresh" despite the refresh being subpar as fuk lol... This gen has been a substantial upgrade, esp in terms of cpu and now ssds.

    But yeah, I'm sure we'll see a mid gen refresh eventually, i'll be there day one even though I prefer they dont.
    This gen is now gimped at well. not even powerful enough to give the latest releases RT. Everything had RT in the beginning, but now to push 4k40fps devs no longer have the additional power to implement RT. And the most demanding games for this gen are yet to come.

    It's not needed, but it wasn't needed last gen either. It's a luxury buy for the more serious gamers.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post


    This gen is now gimped at well. not even powerful enough to give the latest releases RT. Everything had RT in the beginning, but now to push 4k40fps devs no longer have the additional power to implement RT. And the most demanding games for this gen are yet to come.

    It's not needed, but it wasn't needed last gen either. It's a luxury buy for the more serious gamers.
    Brah the thing you want isn't even possible yet on PC unless you have a 4090.

    If you want to play at 4K/60fps with Ray tracing and top of the line gfx you'll be paying out of your ass. Let's be realistic here. Costs have to go down A LOT for it to be commericialy viable in consoles. Maybe in 5 years...

    Also luckily we have FidelityFX too thanks to AMD, will be keeping these consoles even longer alive than normal.
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    Originally Posted by Islandboyo View Post
    After just purchasing a PS5 recently I’m not wanting to see a PS5 pro or PS6 for a long long time.

    If a ps5 pro comes out within the next 2 years i’m going to feel as if i wasted my money on the current PS5.
    Spoiler: you wasted money on the current PS5.
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    Originally Posted by ****inator View Post
    Brah the thing you want isn't even possible yet on PC unless you have a 4090.

    If you want to play at 4K/60fps with Ray tracing and top of the line gfx you'll be paying out of your ass. Let's be realistic here. Costs have to go down A LOT for it to be commericialy viable in consoles. Maybe in 5 years...

    Also luckily we have FidelityFX too thanks to AMD, will be keeping these consoles even longer alive than normal.
    I am no tech nerd but if they could implement 1440/60 with RT on older games I don't see why 4k/60 with RT would be impossible with double the GPU power on more modern games, or at least minimally give us 1440/60 w/ RT or 4k/40 w/ RT and VRR.
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    Originally Posted by ****inator View Post
    VERY GOOD serious.

    Games look more than good enough already and if devs keep giving the choice of you giving more importance to gfx or framerate I'm good.

    "Bu muh raytracing" nobody cares besides basement dwelling nerds. We want good games.

    And because of the SSD, we finally have good loading times too.

    I have no problem at all for this console to last untill 2030, serious.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I am no tech nerd but if they could implement 1440/60 with RT on older games I don't see why 4k/60 with RT would be impossible with double the GPU power on more modern games, or at least minimally give us 1440/60 w/ RT or 4k/40 w/ RT and VRR.
    2K is possible but guess what? Most people don't have 1440p tv's, they have either 1080p tv's or 4K. Like I said it needs to be commercially viable.
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    Originally Posted by ****inator View Post
    2K is possible but guess what? Most people don't have 1440p tv's, they have either 1080p tv's or 4K. Like I said it needs to be commercially viable.
    What? You are acting like you can't play a game at 1440p on a 4k TV.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    What? You are acting like you can't play a game at 1440p on a 4k TV.
    People are retarded and don't know what 1440p/2K even is, serious. It will be a nightmare to promote this.

    Maybe 5% of people who buy a console have a clue what 1440p is. So devs won't take the time to optimize their games for that resolution but hey I hope I'm wrong on this.
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    They don't really need it anyway, the ps4 was fine and so too are the games, they just need to unlock them (PS exclusives) for people playing on PCs - HZD 1 is from 2017 and made for the ps4, yet looks stunning on PC with ultra settings, etc.

    So we can deduce that the only difference really is the processing power of the PS5 vs PS4 - this isn't like the PS1 or PS2 vs PS3 or the PS3 vs the PS4 - the PS4 and PS5 are quite literally the same except for more powerful processing and some other crap like a new joy stick with a super-vibrator feature.

    Originally Posted by Islandboyo View Post
    After just purchasing a PS5 recently I’m not wanting to see a PS5 pro or PS6 for a long long time.

    If a ps5 pro comes out within the next 2 years i’m going to feel as if i wasted my money on the current PS5.
    Who cares what you think? The fact that you think something as stupid as that makes you a peasant in my eyes.

    BRB the world should stand still so that you don't feel duped, stupid, or like YOU got a bad deal.

    Miskka, I'd be hopin that they release a pro version ASAP so that it can actually render 4K with RT, etc - hoping the pro gets released asap but 2024 is the likely date of release.
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    Originally Posted by ****inator View Post
    People are retarded and don't know what 1440p/2K even is, serious. It will be a nightmare to promote this.

    Maybe 5% of people who buy a console have a clue what 1440p is. So devs won't take the time to optimize their games for that resolution but hey I hope I'm wrong on this.
    I am confused, devs are already doing 2k, 2k has been the sweet spot resolution for 60fps RT games so far on PS5.

    Originally Posted by WiseOldApe View Post
    They don't really need it anyway, the ps4 was fine and so too are the games, they just need to unlock them (PS exclusives) for people playing on PCs - HZD 1 is from 2017 and made for the ps4, yet looks stunning on PC with ultra settings, etc.

    So we can deduce that the only difference really is the processing power of the PS5 vs PS4 - this isn't like the PS1 or PS2 vs PS3 or the PS3 vs the PS4 - the PS4 and PS5 are quite literally the same except for more powerful processing and some other crap like a new joy stick with a super-vibrator feature.



    Who cares what you think? The fact that you think something as stupid as that makes you a peasant in my eyes.

    BRB the world should stand still so that you don't feel duped, stupid, or like YOU got a bad deal.

    Miskka, I'd be hopin that they release a pro version ASAP so that it can actually render 4K with RT, etc - hoping the pro gets released asap but 2024 is the likely date of release.
    The tears of poverty folks upset the money they spent on old tech no longer has them with the latest tech is never going to dictate the market though. If Sony/MS see demand for a mid gen feresh to the point where they will make a profit they are going to bring it to market. Tech changes, poor people will always be left behind and sour about it as new tech comes out.
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    Originally Posted by mgftp View Post
    I am confused, devs are already doing 2k, 2k has been the sweet spot resolution for 60fps RT games so far on PS5.



    The tears of poverty folks upset the money they spent on old tech no longer has them with the latest tech is never going to dictate the market though. If Sony/MS see demand for a mid gen feresh to the point where they will make a profit they are going to bring it to market. Tech changes, poor people will always be left behind and sour about it as new tech comes out.
    It's not even that poor people can't afford it - poor people are happy with a PS4.. I had a guy buy my PS4 with upgraded 2TB HDD and a bunch of games for like $400 AUD last year and he only got it because he couldn't purchase a PS5 for his other kid coz they kept arguing, and they love it.

    I bought a switch OLED which uses some poverty Nvidia SOC from 2014 in September this year and love playing Zelda on it even though I've got a gaming PC.

    It's just that some people have a poverty mindset where they feel good when everybody is 'even', but really they want to stop the advancement of the human race, so that they are even with those 'above' them.

    In all honesty a PC with a 3090/4090 is hitting the cap for performance anyway (in terms of 4k gaming) and it will only get better with new forms of DLSS coming out - i.e., an 'all out' i9/4090 PC made in 2022 will be valid until who the fkc knows when? Not just in 1440p but in 4k and even 8k.

    Unless you're literally gonna game in 8k, which is unlikely.. most people game in 1440p and those monitors are easily capped by 3070s and 6800XTs

    The PS5's refresh would be ideal with it had a 7700XT or equivalent chip (realistically speaking here), since the current one is a 5700XT.
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    Still cant even find ps5s in stores. Still barely any ps5/series x only games.

    makes sense. I dont even see why we'd need a pro at this point. Nothing has come close to even pushing the base models to capacity
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