what are your thoughts on Jon Jones?

[ninetynine8]

he's obviously up for goat debate, but his recent performances have been questionable. I think it boils down to the fact other people caught up rather than him getting any worse. He was a gamechanger and people studied him

I think he beats Francis and Stipe, but loses to Ciryl.

[bicmane123]

Didn't Francis beat Ciryl in the wrestling?

Jones wrestling >>> Francis >>> Ciryl

and what recent performances lmao

[PrimarisIn]

I saw a recent pic, he looked liked he had noodle arms

[ninetynine8]

Didn't Francis beat Ciryl in the wrestling?

Jones wrestling >>> Francis >>> Ciryl

and what recent performances lmao

mma math huh...

i actually predicted Francis to beat Ciryl by decision because of wrestling and made a lot of money from it. Styles make fights

Cormier is a better wrestler than Jones, yet Jones always got the better of him in their matches. It's situational. Jones relies on setups for his takedowns where as Ngannou is so powerful he just brute forces it. Jones won't be able to do that against Ciryl despite being more technical.


i meant in regards to his resume

[ninetynine8]

I saw a recent pic, he looked liked he had noodle arms

guy is 6'4 and looks swole... ur tripping or saw an old image

[PrimarisIn]

guy is 6'4 and looks swole... ur tripping or saw an old image

I seened it

[PrimarisIn]

I think Francis beats him srs. Also with the 3 year layoff, Stipe probably beats him.

But looks like he's back with wink-jackson so that's a plus for him

[Coach McGuirk]

Is he ever going to fight again? He’s nearing the end of his career.

[Schnitzl]

Is he ever going to fight again? He’s nearing the end of his career.

I think he said next April but then again he has been coming back for almost 3 years now. Even lulzier is Kanr Mcgrogle who last won against a currently active UFC fighter in 2014 (Dustin).

[ninetynine8]

I think Francis beats him srs. Also with the 3 year layoff, Stipe probably beats him.

But looks like he's back with wink-jackson so that's a plus for him

he doesn't have noodle arms. He just doesn't have a bodybuilder phenotype, guy is massive and it would show IRL. He's even bigger than Ngannou

Is he ever going to fight again? He’s nearing the end of his career.

I'm the first guy to doubt Jones but I think so yes. Why else would he put on that much size at his age?

[Coach McGuirk]

he doesn't have noodle arms. He just doesn't have a bodybuilder phenotype, guy is massive and it would show IRL. He's even bigger than Ngannou

I'm the first guy to doubt Jones but I think so yes. Why else would he put on that much size at his age?

I don’t think it’s so much that “he put on size” but rather “stopped keeping size off”.

I think he enjoys the powerlifting stuff, and he’d probably naturally get that big if he wasn’t actively keeping his weight down for LHW. Have you seen his brothers?

So it could go either way I guess. He figured if he ever came back he would do it at HW, so why bother keeping weight down. If he never comes back it’s moot.

[woadito]

Would be easy GOAT status if it weren't for testing positive multiple times, otherwise its GSP.

[Tuga88]

Jon Jones is the GOAT. Anyone who watched him coming up knows this.

Here was some kid coming out and dominating champions and future HOFs.

Not only was he destroying them, he was doing it at their game.

Oh you're a striker? Cool I'm gonna beat you at stand up.

Oh you like wrestling? No problem, I'll dominate you there too.

Muay thai? Got it, here's a kick to the face.

etc. etc.

Then throw in that this guy was partying and doing coke before fights and still winning....GOAT.

[ninetynine8]

Would be easy GOAT status if it weren't for testing positive multiple times, otherwise its GSP.

lets be real, gsp was juicing too he was just smarter about it.

[Barteh]

He's obviously one of the 4 GOATs that everybody agrees on. Personally I have him second behind Fedor but I'm always doubting whether to put him just ahead of Anderson or just behind him.

I don't think he'll ever end up fighting at HW or having a lot of success there.

[bicmane123]

mma math huh...

i actually predicted Francis to beat Ciryl by decision because of wrestling and made a lot of money from it. Styles make fights

Cormier is a better wrestler than Jones, yet Jones always got the better of him in their matches. It's situational. Jones relies on setups for his takedowns where as Ngannou is so powerful he just brute forces it. Jones won't be able to do that against Ciryl despite being more technical.


i meant in regards to his resume

Wrestling is different. Levels are definitely more defined when it comes to wrestling than striking. The best strikers still get caught often. Wrestlers rarely get beat by lesser wrestlers, period.

Jones and Cormier are close enough in wrestling, AND striking even.

Jones/Cormier wrestling is levels and levels above Francis/Ciryl.

For example: It's pretty safe to safe to say a high level wrestler with stop takedowns would fuk over Alex Perierra more often than not, based off his complete lack of ground game vs Adensanya

[ninetynine8]

Wrestling is different. Levels are definitely more defined when it comes to wrestling than striking. The best strikers still get caught often. Wrestlers rarely get beat by lesser wrestlers, period.

Jones and Cormier are close enough in wrestling, AND striking even.

Jones/Cormier wrestling is levels and levels above Francis/Ciryl.

For example: It's pretty safe to safe to say a high level wrestler with stop takedowns would fuk over Alex Perierra more often than not, based off his complete lack of ground game vs Adensanya

You're still wrong.

Going by your logic since Jones was barely able to take down Reyes that means he has no chance of taking down someone with a better TDD


It just doesn't work.

For example: It's pretty safe to safe to say a high level wrestler with stop takedowns would fuk over Alex Perierra more often than not, based off his complete lack of ground game vs Adensanya

Still not true.

You're forgetting that Alex wasn't focused on Israels wrestling, he would be vs a wrestler and prepared to knee him in the face at all times. That goes for Izzy too, Pereira was able to take him down, even though he was able to defend takedowns from the best wrestlers in that division.

[bicmane123]

You're still wrong.

Going by your logic since Jones was barely able to take down Reyes that means he has no chance of taking down someone with a better TDD


It just doesn't work.




Still not true.

You're forgetting that Alex wasn't focused on Israels wrestling, he would be vs a wrestler and prepared to knee him in the face at all times. That goes for Izzy too, Pereira was able to take him down, even though he was able to defend takedowns from the best wrestlers in that division.

-.

Reyes is a scrub. That was like one of his only good performances. Jones runs through him 9/10 times.

I remember it being a competitive fight, but pretty sure Jones didn't go in their planning to wrestle him.

If Jones plans a wrestling game plan against Reyes, I guarantee Reyes gets taken down and held down all day.

As for Alex, he gets wrecked by any dominating wrestler, IE: Khamzat, Whittaker with a wrestling game plan.

[fightorrot]

Jon jones is a cheater well known roid abuser

Nothing else

Oh BTW reyes beat him even a blind man could see it

[ninetynine8]

-.

Reyes is a scrub. That was like one of his only good performances. Jones runs through him 9/10 times.

I remember it being a competitive fight, but pretty sure Jones didn't go in their planning to wrestle him.

If Jones plans a wrestling game plan against Reyes, I guarantee Reyes gets taken down and held down all day.

As for Alex, he gets wrecked by any dominating wrestler, IE: Khamzat, Whittaker with a wrestling game plan.

It wasn't just a competitive fight. Jones lost the fight according to the scoring criteria.

Gane beats Jones. Jones doesn't have the kind of wrestling that's effective vs Gane.

[ninetynine8]

Jon jones is a cheater well known roid abuser

Nothing else

Oh BTW reyes beat him even a blind man could see it

He is a cheater, but so is 90% of the roster. Who do you thinks the GOAT? Guarantee they're not natty lmao


Jones losing to Reyes makes that his first loss - 12 title defences down from 13... Cmon brah, you're a hater.

[miscbrah44]

He's the goat fk what we think. He gonna show out

[adamsz]

GOAT, but I think he's done for

more tape to study on him than basically anyone else

last two fights were toss ups

kicked out of the camp that made him who is he

in his mid 30's now which is when people start declining fast in MMA

[ninetynine8]

GOAT, but I think he's done for

more tape to study on him than basically anyone else

last two fights were toss ups

kicked out of the camp that made him who is he

in his mid 30's now which is when people start declining fast in MMA

i partly agree

thing is he might be even better at HW. Like I said I don't see him beating Gane, but I can see him beating Ngannou with the wrestling mixup.

[ninetynine8]

so Jones is an underdog vs Ngannou. i'm already horny, if that fight happens i'm betting on jones srs.


This is coming from someone who bet on Ngannou to beat Gane by decision and would also bet on Gane to beat Jones.

Jones wins that style matchup.

[Ravishing_Rick]

Would be easy GOAT status if it weren't for testing positive multiple times, otherwise its GSP.

everybody on steroids

[JosephVis]

nothing wrong being on steroids

[CanardMedic]

He's the goat and a psycho. His fight IQ is superior to any fighter.
Yea his reyes fight kindda sucked but I suspect he didn't even train hard for it.

[eternalnoob]

It's hard to judge because he's a several times steroids cheat.

[adamsz]

i partly agree

thing is he might be even better at HW. Like I said I don't see him beating Gane, but I can see him beating Ngannou with the wrestling mixup.

Jones' wrestling has greatly deteriorated since the DC fights IMO. IIRC he couldn't anything going wrestling wise vs Reyes or Santos, and in general most people's TDD has gotten much better

I don't think he has the strength to throw HW's around in the grappling dept like he did at LHW either. They're just too big