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    Anyone going to play WoW : Dragonflight?

    I actually really don't know much about this expansion. Infact, the last few expansions I haven't touched.

    For someone that hasn't played since WOTLK - is WoW going to be worth playing again do you reckon?
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    Came ITT to shoutout WOTLK Classic, srs. This has been a fairly fun nostalgia trip. It's not the same experience we had in 2007-2009 though... unfortunately. Lots of elitists, lots of min/maxers (engineering, TBC weapon usage for BiS openers, etc.), and in general it feels like players know more about their spec than they ever did before. But it's the closest thing we'll ever get to what WOTLK was like...
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    I was gonna ask this.
    I had a great time with wotlk classic but now it just seems like you HAVE to do naxx to get the right gear to compete in pvp.
    It was fun clearing it for the first time.. but only being able to do it once a week, dealing with elitists.. having to find groups etc.. I got turned off from it.
    plus.. I played that exact game like 15 years ago? (or whatever it was)
    so I stopped and have been playing nba2k23 on my pc and super addicted. Got to goat league and now I can just take it easy and play a few games when I feel like it.

    Also only played shadowlands for a few months and havent played retail since.

    Anyone know if theres a good way to prepare for dragonflight? or any info I should know?
    I'll probably play my ele/ resto shaman

    but the new talent trees are confusing as fuk

    and are covenants still a thing? / important
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    WoW has always been a good way for me to get through my cuts, so yea I'll be picking it up. Pretty much any WoW expansion is fun for a couple months starting out. If it's a decent one it's fun even after that - there will be new storylines, zones, dungeons, new class I believe, but I'll probably stick with warlock as I'm not enthused about the new class.

    WOTLK has gotten kind of stale for some reason, haven't even hit 80 yet because another game was more interesting at the time.
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    Yeah I'll end up resubbing, playing it for a month or two on and off, then drop it again I am sure.
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    Ya I might try it out as I got bored of classic as it's not the same. I checked out some gameplay and what are these new talent trees? They look confusing as fuk
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    Originally Posted by Titansfan08 View Post
    Ya I might try it out as I got bored of classic as it's not the same. I checked out some gameplay and what are these new talent trees? They look confusing as fuk
    I liked when they were confusing back in the day, and min/maxxing required precision and hit and all that. Like in early wrath with fury warriors AGI gear was better than plate until you were Naxx+ gear. Many, many times entered into a heroic with randoms and they start clowning me for wearing hunter/rogue gear, and i proceed to double the DPS of everyone else.

    Or I played combat rogue alot cause I liked it, and you had about 3 or 4 buffs and knowing when to spaz them at the right time together meant something.

    That is what made it fun to me...
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    I'm in the beta and it's obvious that it was made during covid, that worker morale has been low, that the talent left the company, and that the budget for the game has gone way down.

    They just aren't innovating whatsoever anymore and the expansion is pretty bare bones. 4 zones, new class, 8 dungeons, 1 raid. That's it. There hasn't even been a new battleground in years. Never mind new features like Legion and every expansion before it had (or even BfA and SL even though the new features flopped).

    I didn't play all of the content, but it just seems low budget and low effort.

    I'll probably still buy it though. lol. Just because I like Warcraft so much. And it's tradition to play it during December (Christmas break from when I was a student).
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    Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    I'm in the beta and it's obvious that it was made during covid, that worker morale has been low, that the talent left the company, and that the budget for the game has gone way down.

    They just aren't innovating whatsoever anymore and the expansion is pretty bare bones. 4 zones, new class, 8 dungeons, 1 raid. That's it. There hasn't even been a new battleground in years. Never mind new features like Legion and every expansion before it had (or even BfA and SL even though the new features flopped).

    I didn't play all of the content, but it just seems low budget and low effort.

    I'll probably still buy it though. lol. Just because I like Warcraft so much. And it's tradition to play it during December (Christmas break from when I was a student).
    wtf man.

    was looking forward to sinking some time into this, now not so much. it can't be that bad can it?

    isn't the 4 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 new raid pretty standard for an expansion?
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    wtf man.

    was looking forward to sinking some time into this, now not so much. it can't be that bad can it?

    isn't the 4 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 new raid pretty standard for an expansion?
    I'm not saying it's terrible. It's just that every expansion built off of the one before it and added something new. Even the bad ones like WoD had Garrisons even if they weren't well received. Legion took what came before it and fixed it with Order Halls in addition to adding artifact weapons, the Suramar zone, which was something different, mythic plus, world quests, and so on. Then they eventually released the mage tower.

    Now they have stopped going through this process of fixing and innovation. They are just releasing the bare bones staples and nothing else. As I said, they haven't even designed a new BG in years. In BFA and SL they basically copy and pasted the Legion template, but a far worse version of it. Now, not only are they not innovating, but they are cutting corners due to an obviously diminishing budget.

    I guess the new feature if you can call it that is the flying/dragon riding mechanic. But Blizzard is hurting so much with the lack of features to advertise Dragonflight with that one of the bullet points in their marketing is the UI update.
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    Originally Posted by TugOfPeace View Post
    wtf man.

    was looking forward to sinking some time into this, now not so much. it can't be that bad can it?

    isn't the 4 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 new raid pretty standard for an expansion?
    the lack of systems is exactly why I'm trying it out.

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    Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    I'm not saying it's terrible. It's just that every expansion in WoW's history built off of the one before it and added something new. Even the bad ones like WoD had Garrisons even if they weren't well received. Legion took what came before it and fixed it with Order Halls in addition to adding artifact weapons, the Suramar zone, which was something different, mythic plus, world quests (new at the time), and so on. Then they eventually released the mage tower.

    Now they have stopped going through this process of fixing and innovation. They are just releasing the bare bones staples and nothing else. As I said, they haven't even designed a new BG in years.

    I guess the new feature if you can call it that is the flying/dragon riding mechanic. But Blizzard is hurting so much with the lack of features to advertise Dragonflight with that one of the bull points is the UI update.
    Is the questing fun/interesting atleast? Do the zones and dungeons look nice?

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    Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    I'm in the beta and it's obvious that it was made during covid, that worker morale has been low, that the talent left the company, and that the budget for the game has gone way down.

    They just aren't innovating whatsoever anymore and the expansion is pretty bare bones. 4 zones, new class, 8 dungeons, 1 raid. That's it. There hasn't even been a new battleground in years. Never mind new features like Legion and every expansion before it had (or even BfA and SL even though the new features flopped).

    I didn't play all of the content, but it just seems low budget and low effort.

    I'll probably still buy it though. lol. Just because I like Warcraft so much. And it's tradition to play it during December (Christmas break from when I was a student).
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    wtf man.

    was looking forward to sinking some time into this, now not so much. it can't be that bad can it?

    isn't the 4 zones, 8 dungeons, 1 new raid pretty standard for an expansion?
    People really have a hard time reading in between the lines. Blizzard all but came right out and said this xpac will be bare. Nothing facny or innovative. They tried to spin it as a 'reset' or sorts back to the basics. But really between covid and all the internal blizzard turmoil they just cant make any good games anymore.

    But REALLY what killed blizzard has been them hiring all the blue hair wokies who are talentless and only work in the games industry to poison it.

    I still bought the xpac and will be taking a week off work to play it. But mostly for the PVP and why not.

    The new dragon race is OP as fukk and everyone is playing it. Its thrown off all balance in PVP. And im betting the story will at BEST be just generic and bland. I HOPE thats what it is, instead of just dogchit like Shadowlands.

    Youre NEVER going to get an interesting nuanced storyline from wokies.
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    Is the questing fun/interesting atleast? Do the zones and dungeons look nice?

    WoW isn't a difficult game to get right, at the end of the day it's just about grinding content
    I haven't done all of the questing just because I didn't want to spoil everything. I like the zones and questing better than SL just because it feels more like Warcraft and isn't full of retcons. I hated the story and aesthetic of SL. The first zone is pretty unremarkable. 2nd zone is kind of like Mulgore/Nagrand, but with centaurs. 3rd zone is thematically like Northrend and has gnolls and tuskarr, and the last zone I never quested in, but I ran around it and it looks a bit boring. The starting zone for the Dracthyr is also kind of boring. I like the 2nd and 3rd zones the most.

    The story from what I've seen is just ok. Basically, some cultists called the primalists free some proto dragon that was imprisoned on the Dragon Isles. Then the dragons go to SW/Org to get the Alliance and Horde to come to the Dragon Isles to help them. These proto-dragons were originally followers of Galakrond, the giant proto dragon whose skeleton was left in Dragonblight in Wrath.

    This expansion in terms of story is intended to be a bit like MoP. We're exploring a previously unmarked place and we don't yet know who the big bad guy is. But the Dragon Isles IMO are nowhere near as impressive as Pandaria was. Although that's a high bar.
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    Looks like the most barebones xpac they ever made. Not sure even worth $50 and a sub fee.
    Beginning of xpacs always has some entertainment though.
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    I haven't done all of the questing just because I didn't want to spoil everything. I like the zones and questing better than SL just because it feels more like Warcraft and isn't full of retcons. I hated the story and aesthetic of SL. The first zone is pretty unremarkable. 2nd zone is kind of like Mulgore/Nagrand, but with centaurs. 3rd zone is thematically like Northrend and has gnolls and tuskarr, and the last zone I never quested in, but I ran around it and it looks a bit boring. The starting zone for the Dracthyr is also kind of boring. I like the 2nd and 3rd zones the most.

    The story from what I've seen is just ok. Basically, some cultists called the primalists free some proto dragon that was imprisoned on the Dragon Isles. Then the dragons go to SW/Org to get the Alliance and Horde to come to the Dragon Isles to help them. These proto-dragons were originally followers of Galakrond, the giant proto dragon whose skeleton was left in Dragonblight in Wrath.

    This expansion in terms of story is intended to be a bit like MoP. We don't yet know who the big bad guy is. but the Dragon Isles IMO are nowhere near as impressive as Pandaria was. Although that's a high bar.
    Im most looking foward to dragon riding, pvp, and the new talent trees and hopefully better balancing. The story and questing ... meh if its cool, it will be something to do. But sadly I know it wont be FF14 story good. I swear its like the Japanese are the only ones capable of writing really good interesting stories now days. I guess thats what happens when you dont have a dogmatic SJW/femmenine culture.
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    Originally Posted by Guyfawkes1010 View Post
    Im most looking foward to dragon riding, pvp, and the new talent trees and hopefully better balancing. The story and questing ... meh if its cool, it will be something to do. But sadly I know it wont be FF14 story good. I swear its like the Japanese are the only ones capable of writing really good interesting stories now days. I guess thats what happens when you dont have a dogmatic SJW/femmenine culture.
    Yeah, to list some positives, I actually like the dragon flying. I mean it doesn't make up for the lack of content, but it's superior to mounting as far as gameplay goes. And the zones are designed with it in mind. Lots of verticality and the zones are big.

    I made a Dracthyr and I kind of like the class at least compared to other ranged classes. Although it was a bit hard to make a visage form that doesn't look gay.

    Also, the Azure Span in terms of art/music is my favourite zone in quite a few years. Probably since Pandaria. It's like an updated Northrend zone with way more detail and huge pine trees everywhere.

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    Evoker is gay as phuk
    Literally little pussi bois. Hell I created one the afternoon they came out and didnt even see an option to roll a male one LOL. They either hid the option or something.

    But seriously 100% the product of woman in blizzard wanting a cute twink femboi dragon
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    Originally Posted by Guyfawkes1010 View Post
    Literally little pussi bois. Hell I created one the afternoon they came out and didnt even see an option to roll a male one LOL. They either hid the option or something.

    But seriously 100% the product of woman in blizzard wanting a cute twink femboi dragon
    At first I thought they designed them to be LGBT/Pride oriented or something. They probably did. Pretty much every visage form looks like it would've been on queer eye for the straight guy back in the day.

    I like how mine looks, but the difficulty was similar to making a highlander in FF14 that doesn't look like a retard.
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    Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    At first I thought they designed them to be LGBT inclusive or something. They probably did. Pretty much every visage form looks like it would've been on queer eye for the straight guy back in the day.

    I like how mine looks, but the difficulty was similar to making a highlander in FF14 that doesn't look like a retard.
    Bro ... its a fukkin literal Tranny class. LITERALLY TRANSFORMS from 'dragon' which is specifically all male looking (twink male but still) into either a drag queen looking dude or woman.
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    Originally Posted by Guyfawkes1010 View Post
    Bro ... its a fukkin literal Tranny class. LITERALLY TRANSFORMS from 'dragon' which is specifically all male looking (twink male but still) into either a drag queen looking dude or woman.
    The dragons were going to be even bigger twinks originally I think. Because they only had the small body size. People complained and they added more muscular options.

    The visage form however still has the blood elf posture and for the most part looks 'fabulous.'
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    Originally Posted by Kokanee View Post
    The dragons were going to be even bigger twinks originally I think. Because they only had the small body size. People complained and they added more muscular options.

    The visage form however still has the blood elf posture and for the most part looks 'fabulous.'
    Well whatever its clown world after all. Im more concerned with the fact I seen the DPS ver do 40k DPS burst in a BG with about 20k sustain.
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    Not a wow white knight despite my username but...

    Besides the major new content (new zones, dungeons, raid, class etc), if you haven't played in shadowlands the game has gotten significantly better imo. Here's my major takeaways of DF as a shadowlands-sucked-dik-retail-quitter-but-back-for-DF:

    No gay anima power/arti power/covenant systems

    ALT FRIENDLY. leveling has gotten nerfed and is piss easy. You can 1 to 60 a class in a day with only a few hours. Also no grindy systems in df apparently so you're not tied to a main as hard. Chromie time also means you can level 1 to 60 in any expansion you want, so its a smart way to recycle old leveling content while avoiding repetitiveness

    Talent trees feel good. They baked in previous expansions legendary powers and borrowed power (covenants/leggos) into the talent tree. There will be meta builds but rn in prepatch, there's meaningful tradeoffs and build diversity for the classes I've tried. They're well conceived imo

    Pve is cross faction. Dungeons and raids completely cross faction.

    M+ being buffed to be on par with mythic raiding rewards, but also difficulty increases. Overall the aim is to have smaller 5man content be on par with larger raid content for rewards. As a fan of 5man content, I'm looking forward to just pushing keys and not gaf about raids

    Fated raids mean old raids can remain in the current cycle of progression. Also affixes in raids is actually an interesting concept, not sure how it will feel in the long run but since its new to me it feels pretty exciting
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    Originally Posted by pallybrah View Post
    Not a wow white knight despite my username but...

    Besides the major new content (new zones, dungeons, raid, class etc), if you haven't played in shadowlands the game has gotten significantly better imo. Here's my major takeaways of DF as a shadowlands-sucked-dik-retail-quitter-but-back-for-DF:

    No gay anima power/arti power/covenant systems

    ALT FRIENDLY. leveling has gotten nerfed and is piss easy. You can 1 to 60 a class in a day with only a few hours. Also no grindy systems in df apparently so you're not tied to a main as hard. Chromie time also means you can level 1 to 60 in any expansion you want, so its a smart way to recycle old leveling content while avoiding repetitiveness

    Talent trees feel good. They baked in previous expansions legendary powers and borrowed power (covenants/leggos) into the talent tree. There will be meta builds but rn in prepatch, there's meaningful tradeoffs and build diversity for the classes I've tried. They're well conceived imo

    Pve is cross faction. Dungeons and raids completely cross faction.

    M+ being buffed to be on par with mythic raiding rewards, but also difficulty increases. Overall the aim is to have smaller 5man content be on par with larger raid content for rewards. As a fan of 5man content, I'm looking forward to just pushing keys and not gaf about raids

    Fated raids mean old raids can remain in the current cycle of progression. Also affixes in raids is actually an interesting concept, not sure how it will feel in the long run but since its new to me it feels pretty exciting
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    Originally Posted by pallybrah View Post
    Not a wow white knight despite my username but...

    Besides the major new content (new zones, dungeons, raid, class etc), if you haven't played in shadowlands the game has gotten significantly better imo. Here's my major takeaways of DF as a shadowlands-sucked-dik-retail-quitter-but-back-for-DF:

    No gay anima power/arti power/covenant systems

    ALT FRIENDLY. leveling has gotten nerfed and is piss easy. You can 1 to 60 a class in a day with only a few hours. Also no grindy systems in df apparently so you're not tied to a main as hard. Chromie time also means you can level 1 to 60 in any expansion you want, so its a smart way to recycle old leveling content while avoiding repetitiveness

    Talent trees feel good. They baked in previous expansions legendary powers and borrowed power (covenants/leggos) into the talent tree. There will be meta builds but rn in prepatch, there's meaningful tradeoffs and build diversity for the classes I've tried. They're well conceived imo

    Pve is cross faction. Dungeons and raids completely cross faction.

    M+ being buffed to be on par with mythic raiding rewards, but also difficulty increases. Overall the aim is to have smaller 5man content be on par with larger raid content for rewards. As a fan of 5man content, I'm looking forward to just pushing keys and not gaf about raids

    Fated raids mean old raids can remain in the current cycle of progression. Also affixes in raids is actually an interesting concept, not sure how it will feel in the long run but since its new to me it feels pretty exciting
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    Eneba has dragonflight on sale believe it or not, $43 after tax! If you add to cart and use code GGD8.

    https://www.eneba.com/blizzard-world...s&currency=USD

    Might buy it here, just don't know if it's legit. How can they be selling it at a discount already?
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