"real question" Do any pros use an i.v drip?

[winstrow]

Would be better than milk before bed.

[Vadim Beliaev]

Would be better than milk before bed.

even some amateurs do that. Its a quite common practice in many pro sports not just BBing.
It is not done before bed though, most commonly post workout. You need some external factors to make it effective as well.

[winstrow]

Why is it post workout why not at bed time?

[Vadim Beliaev]

Why is it post workout why not at bed time?

Same reason why you drink a whey+simple carb shake post workout and not before bed.

[Mikalis_m]

x-man toney freeman i think said he uses it.

[worker07]

If I understand correctly, winstrow is asking if any of these guys use an IV drip throughout the night to supply a slow, constant stream of nutrients rather than relying on slow-digesting protein being absorbed from the digestive tract.

[Vadim Beliaev]

Would you sleep with a drip in your arm?
Ffs people are pretty illogical sometimes.

[airnzah]

wtf? that's outrageous man. but come to think of it, it is a steady supply of nutrients for the whole night. but I can't imagine having those inserted every night, can't move much, plus a swollen hand. lol

[gomez26]

even some amateurs do that. Its a quite common practice in many pro sports not just BBing.
It is not done before bed though, most commonly post workout. You need some external factors to make it effective as well.

Would you sleep with a drip in your arm?
Ffs people are pretty illogical sometimes.

thats ancient technology, these they go thru their modems & go wireless....

anyway would you know what is the main purpose of these? first impression would be to get nutrients instantly, but for this to be important there would have to have been shown there is a very steep decline in window of opportunity for the ideal time to receive post workout nutrients. has there been much study into this? last i heard there is a window of about 1/2 hr to 1hr to receive nutrients. has this since been refined down to minutes or seconds thus making the drip more relevant?

when i first heard about this i thought it was to reduce gut sizes. given that one big influence of gut sizes is the swelling from tract due to eating huge amounts of food (together with igf-1 effect), it would make sense to bypass it. but then other athletes wouldnt have this as a big problem

[SOMEPARTS]

First time I ever heard of pros sleeping with an IV was back when Dorian was Mr. O. There's probably something to it.

[BigChamp89]

haha wtf do they really

[SmarterChild]

seems like a high chance for infection if they did that night after night

[Tyrbolift]

seems like a high chance for infection if they did that night after night

Have a shunt put in.

[winstrow]

http://sportsci.org/encyc/index.html
V OR NOT IV? Only for grueling multi-day sports



Louise Burke, Australian Institute of Sport, Canberra, Australia

This month's CompEat is taken from our book "Peak Performance: Training and Nutritional Strategies for Sport" by John A Hawley and Louise M Burke, to be published by Allen and Unwin, Sydney, in 1998.

You may have noticed dehydrated and heat-stressed athletes in the medical tents of marathons and triathlons receiving intravenous (IV) fluids for their medical problems. In the last year or two there has been a growing interest by athletes to use IV feedings as a recovery tool rather than a medical treatment. It has become trendy in tennis tournaments, stage cycle races and other multi-day sports events for athletes to request an IV to speed their recovery for the next day's performance. Athletes are even starting to walk into the medical tents of races like the Ironman triathlon and asking for an IV to boost their recovery.

Standard intravenous fluids provide saline (water and sodium) and sometimes a low concentration of glucose. In medical practice they are used to correct fluid, electrolyte and carbohydrate deficits in people who are unable to do this by eating and drinking. If someone is unconscious, asleep, or has a non-functioning gut (for example, has severe vomiting, diarrhea, or gastric shut-down), an IV drip provides an alternative and effective means of getting fluid and carbohydrate into the body. In rare medical cases, people may receive substantial nutrition via IV means. And the solution may contain also contain lipids, amino acids, vitamins, minerals and trace elements. The procedure is expensive, carries a high risk of infection, and may cause nutritional imbalances. Such nutrient-rich solutions generally have to be given via a large "central" vein rather than a peripheral arm vein, because the concentration may cause a small vein to collapse.

It might sound dramatic and "state of the art" for an athlete to receive intravenous fluids or intravenous nutrition after prolonged intensive exercise. Some athletes claim that it makes them feel better and recover more quickly. However most race medical directors say that it's nothing more than a placebo effect. They counter that the main benefits are the novelty and attention, and being forced to lie still for 1-2 hours after the event. Many won't provide the service to "well" athletes, particularly if it ties up resources for athletes with real medical problems arising from the race.

There is also the issue of fluid overload. Some athletes finish ultra-endurance events with low blood sodium levels, generally an effect of overhydration rather than dehydration. And in some cases the athlete appears to have a kidney malfunction, which stops excess fluid from being urinated out. It can be dangerous--even fatal--to pour liters of fluid into such athletes.

It's even possible that IV fluids aren't as good as low-technology drinking. A recent study (Riebe et al., 1997) addressed this question. Males were dehydrated by 4% of body mass by 2-4 hours of mild exercise in the heat, then rested for a couple of hours. During this recovery period they either received a 1900 ml IV infusion of dilute saline, drank 1900 ml of the saline, or received no fluid at all. Then it was back to exercise. The subjects rated the experience of exercise without fluid replacement as the hardest, and reported being very thirsty. Hardly surprising. But subjects reported feeling thirstier and having to work harder at the exercise following IV rehydration compared with oral rehydration. One explanation is that the sensation of drinking--having cool liquid pass from your mouth into your stomach--sends important signals to the brain about thirst. And this may impact on what you feel during subsequent exercise. So, it may not be enough top up plasma and other body fluids. Your whole body may need to join in the experience for the full benefit. Whether this conclusion holds true for athletes working at higher intensities, and whether it affects performance, need further investigation.

Here's the bottom line for someone who has just finished a marathon or ultra-distance triathlon without collapsing: forget about IV nutrition. You should have complete rest for up to a week afterwards, and that's plenty of time to eat, drink, and recharge your fluid and energy levels.

What about the athlete in the middle of Wimbledon or the Tour de France? It is likely that this athlete has a lot on the line, is severely fluid and fuel depleted from today's effort, and has a date to do it all again the tomorrow. Some of the components of the secret IV formulae reportedly used by pro cyclists are unstudied and of dubious benefit. But there is still no proof that even the basic ingredients of IV preparations are of special help in recovery. Studies need to be undertaken to see if IV carbohydrate promotes faster glycogen storage than dietary carbohydrate, or whether IV fluids promote superior rehydration to post-event drinking. No doubt there is a psychological edge from having an IV when recovery before the next grueling day is in doubt. And there may also be a practical edge. It is often hard to juggle the priority of eating and sleeping during busy competition schedules. With an IV, the athlete can be given a known amount of fluid and carbohydrate, and can recharge with these while sleeping. The last word is that where IV recovery is used, medical supervision and strict control over the conditions in which it is given are essential.

Riebe D., Maresh C.M., Armstrong L.E. et al. (1997). Effects of oral and intravenous rehydration on ratings of perceived exertion and thirst. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, 29, 117-124.

[carman336]

I doubt any use IV on a daily basis but I'm sure plenty of bodybuilders use them after a contest to re-balance electrolytes and hydration levels. This would make sense as you probably aren't feeling particularly up to eating or drinking right after an event.

[winstrow]

yeh from reading what I posted before it seems it would only really be usefully for competitions like strongman comps where your doing multiple events one after the other

[Zuzanakostol]

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[Zuzanakostol]

I do not train the holidays, need to rest))

[Zuzanakostol]

My friend is a doctor. She use IV therapy for beauty, energy booster, hangover, weigth loss.