New PC Build

[BullittEV]

Alright ****gets,

It's about time to build a desktop PC..

My current set up is a HP Omen laptop (9750h/2080 GPU @ 150W) and it runs everything pretty smoothly- however, if it's a hot day it'll just shut down on me and it's not the best for long-term usage IMO.

Monitor setup: 23" Acer 1080p - 28" PX277 1440p/165hz - 23" Acer 1080p

I want to run the latest games on the main screen but also have the Acer's for streaming youtube/netflix/etc and being able to run 20-30 web pages open at the same time. As of right now my laptop does all this perfectly fine, but there are cooling issues- and this is also something I do work on.

With the research I've done so far, I've decided to stray away from the new AMD line because everything as far as lows points to Intel.

CPU: 12700K or 13700K
It's between the 12700K and 13900K but I dont see much difference there really. They say 12700K can run DDR5-4800 but with XMP can bring it to the 13th gen levels anyway.

Motherboard: Z690 or Z790
I think if I go with the Z690 it'll be cheaper and pretty much do what I needed it to do.. No PCIe5 for the SSD but supposedly I'll never care about that difference.

GPU: 3080 12GB- I dont believe I need the 3090/3090ti or the 3080ti as the % gains is minimal verse the cost/power draw.

Cooling: Never used liquid cooling but I want to in this build.. 240MM/360MM AIO but I have no idea which brands are good.

The other peripherals are going to be a 2TB nvme, 4TB 7200RPM, 32 or 64GB of DDR5.


Any advice on which way to go regarding the CPU/Mobo/Cooling/GPU?

edit: Also, timing- I think wait until November after all the new AMD/Intel/NVIDIA products drop?

[jackamo2887]

If you're just playing in 1080p I think your system will be overkill. A 3070ti and a 12600 is all you really need for 1080p.

[BullittEV]

If you're just playing in 1080p I think your system will be overkill. A 3070ti and a 12600 is all you really need for 1080p.

Im running a 1440p 165hz monitor, the 1080p are on the sides for streaming/browsing.. I also may want to upgrade to 4K.

[MiamiLife305]

-Reminder you get Modern Warfare 2 for free for buying an Intel i5 or higher tier- *This is a huge promotion




Do you plan on overclocking? Which isn't even needed nowadays, if so get a Z690. No need for a Z790 mostly.

I'd just get a good B660 board and not bother overclocking these chips

13th Gen raptor lake is literally about to release, so unless you find a 12700k on SALE for a good price, I would wait for 13th gen

Also, if its a whole new build. Seriously consider DDR5, there are some performance gains over DDR4 in lots of games ESPECIALLY at 1080p where CPU makes a huge difference.

I have a $25 Tower cooler on my 12600k, zero issues. Again, if you are not overclocking, there is no need to go big on a CPU cooler, just about any well reviewed CPU cooler will work.

Consider getting a 6800xt or 6900xt. You might find these GPU's for a great price VS Nvidia 3080s

Do not buy the 3080 10 "TEN" GB, get the 12GB. I got mines on amazon for $659 2 months ago. If you find one under $600 its a good buy

The 6800xt/6900xt/3080 12gb will crush any game at 1440p

Who cares about PCI 5.0, won't make a difference

32GB of Ram is all you need

I have 32GB now and I have never maxed or come close. Even while gaming and using Firefox/youtube/discord/ etc

64gb is overkill unless you do some sort of professional work that needs it

I'll take payment for my advice in form of reps

[BullittEV]

Reminder you get Modern Warfare 2 for free for buying an Intel i5 or higher tier

Do you plan on overclocking? Which isn't even needed nowadays, if so get a Z690. No need for a Z790 mostly.

I'd just get a good B660 board and not bother overclocking these chips

13th Gen raptor lake is literally about to release, so unless you find a 12700k on SALE for a good price, I would wait for 13th gen

Also, if its a whole new build. Seriously consider DDR5, there are some performance gains over DDR4 in lots of games ESPECIALLY at 1080p where CPU makes a huge difference.

Yeah, at this point I think the price point would be smarter to get the 13900K, but does that push me into a z790? I find a z690 is plenty and has DDR5 support.

[MiamiLife305]

Yeah, at this point I think the price point would be smarter to get the 13900K, but does that push me into a z790? I find a z690 is plenty and has DDR5 support.

Z690 will work

BUT you might need to flash the bios to make the 13th gen chip work on it

It will be safer just to get a Z790

[theory816]

What bout the 3060?

[JUSA]

OOC, what's a midgrade desktop setup run these days, including mouse/keyboard, monitor?

[Vikes723]

would settle on 12th gen, the 13th gen prices aren't worth the extra money imo. I'm real curious how the 13th gen will fair up the 7000 series AM5. Shiet if you really wanted to get a great build at a great price to performance the 5800x3d is within spitting distance of the 13th gen and fairs very well against the 12th gen. So take that as you will, I generally am team blue but Intel has been sitting idle as AMD has been making big strides to not only catch up but imo beating them now. The 7000 series price point will most likely be adjusted to fair better against the 13th gen.

For AIO they're all the same shiet I have the EVGA 360AIO because it was on sale and I didn't want too much RGB and so far almost 2 years of owning it still going strong. But also the 12/13th gen intels run real hot so the bigger the AIO the better plus more fans too where you can get them. I always suggest people to get the Li Lian O11 case because you can slap in 9 fans easily and has awesome airflow

[BullittEV]

What bout the 3060?

I want something more powerful than my current 2080.. I dont think the 3060 does that.. in a generic sense I think a 3060 will run most newer games at mid-low settings just fine

OOC, what's a midgrade desktop setup run these days, including mouse/keyboard, monitor?

Pre-built or self built?

Pre built probably looking at around 1300-1500 for a 11th/12th gen cpu w/ a 3070 gpu

would settle on 12th gen, the 13th gen prices aren't worth the extra money imo. I'm real curious how the 13th gen will fair up the 7000 series AM5. Shiet if you really wanted to get a great build at a great price to performance the 5800x3d is within spitting distance of the 13th gen and fairs very well against the 12th gen. So take that as you will, I generally am team blue but Intel has been sitting idle as AMD has been making big strides to not only catch up but imo beating them now. The 7000 series price point will most likely be adjusted to fair better against the 13th gen.

For AIO they're all the same shiet I have the EVGA 360AIO because it was on sale and I didn't want too much RGB and so far almost 2 years of owning it still going strong. But also the 12/13th gen intels run real hot so the bigger the AIO the better plus more fans too where you can get them. I always suggest people to get the Li Lian O11 case because you can slap in 9 fans easily and has awesome airflow

Im actually reading that the 13th gen might be worth it- 12700K costing about $400 currently, and then 13700k pre order is $450 (MSRP is 409- newegg gouging). We'll have to see how far prices come down for the 12th gen/Z690 mobo's.. that's why I am waiting until November

I was contemplating the 7700x, however, price has to be adjusted as you said.

I'm definitely going to go with a high-end 360 AIO cooling setup for the CPU.

[theory816]

I want something more powerful than my current 2080.. I dont think the 3060 does that.. in a generic sense I think a 3060 will run most newer games at mid-low settings just fine

Brah the 3060 is pretty strong. You'll be pretty future proof with it for the cost, if not playing 4k.

[Vikes723]

I want something more powerful than my current 2080.. I dont think the 3060 does that.. in a generic sense I think a 3060 will run most newer games at mid-low settings just fine



Pre-built or self built?

Pre built probably looking at around 1300-1500 for a 11th/12th gen cpu w/ a 3070 gpu



Im actually reading that the 13th gen might be worth it- 12700K costing about $400 currently, and then 13700k pre order is $450 (MSRP is 409- newegg gouging). We'll have to see how far prices come down for the 12th gen/Z690 mobo's.. that's why I am waiting until November

I was contemplating the 7700x, however, price has to be adjusted as you said.

I'm definitely going to go with a high-end 360 AIO cooling setup for the CPU.

At the end of the day if you're not overclocking your cpu or gpu a great air cooler would work just as good as an AIO, tons of test have been done comparing the two and the differences are very close.

Only reason I would wait for the next gen intel is because supposedly the next gen will be a different socket and will be better performance wise but again this is all hearsay... I'm still on the the 9th gen 9900k and its been super solid for me. I render a lot of 4k videos and even now it can render 5-10 minute videos super quickly(1 to 2 mins at most) and I don't overclock anything I leave it all stock as far as performance goes.

If you're going the pre-built route, just be sure the power supply isn't some cheapy knock off because that's where a lot of these companies skimp out to save money which to me is insane because you can get a really good power supply for 100 dollars and it'll have power surge protectors and such. The cheap ones generally do not and can fry your entire system if something went haywire. Just some food for though and things to look into

Also the 3070 will out perform the 2080 pretty easily I believe it was compared to a 2080ti to be about the same if not better. If I remember correctly the 3070 outperformed a 2080 by 20% but dont quote me its been awhile since I've kept up with any GPU change since I plan to use my 3080 until the wheels fall off. But my only worry is EVGA won't be able to honor my 10 year warranty since they got out of the GPU business now

[JUSA]

Pre-built or self built?

Pre built probably looking at around 1300-1500 for a 11th/12th gen cpu w/ a 3070 gpu

I was more just spitballing, I'm not in the market, my 2020 Omen is more than fine even today, I invested in it after I bought it anyway, so I'm just thinking 3-5 years down the line when I feel it's time to upgrade.

Interesting #s, a little higher than what I was figuring - while I have never built a PC myself, I'm not too terrified of trying new things and consulting the internet for guidance. My guessing was about a grand building your own midgrade gaming rig. $1,300 for a pre-built is kind of around that, maybe a hair higher than my guess.

[BullittEV]

Brah the 3060 is pretty strong. You'll be pretty future proof with it for the cost, if not playing 4k.

Do you have any links to some benchmarks?

At the end of the day if you're not overclocking your cpu or gpu a great air cooler would work just as good as an AIO, tons of test have been done comparing the two and the differences are very close.

Only reason I would wait for the next gen intel is because supposedly the next gen will be a different socket and will be better performance wise but again this is all hearsay... I'm still on the the 9th gen 9900k and its been super solid for me. I render a lot of 4k videos and even now it can render 5-10 minute videos super quickly(1 to 2 mins at most) and I don't overclock anything I leave it all stock as far as performance goes.

If you're going the pre-built route, just be sure the power supply isn't some cheapy knock off because that's where a lot of these companies skimp out to save money which to me is insane because you can get a really good power supply for 100 dollars and it'll have power surge protectors and such. The cheap ones generally do not and can fry your entire system if something went haywire. Just some food for though and things to look into

Also the 3070 will out perform the 2080 pretty easily I believe it was compared to a 2080ti to be about the same if not better. If I remember correctly the 3070 outperformed a 2080 by 20% but dont quote me its been awhile since I've kept up with any GPU change since I plan to use my 3080 until the wheels fall off. But my only worry is EVGA won't be able to honor my 10 year warranty since they got out of the GPU business now

I believe the 2080 (I have the 150W TDP, not the max Q or max P bullchit) is basically the equivalent of a 3070 desktop card. However, I am not totally sure.

I am not going to go the pre built route, I want to build it myself. I actually dont know whether to add a Windows key... I used to build computers but that was when I had a burned copy of XP that worked on everything.

I was more just spitballing, I'm not in the market, my 2020 Omen is more than fine even today, I invested in it after I bought it anyway, so I'm just thinking 3-5 years down the line when I feel it's time to upgrade.

Interesting #s, a little higher than what I was figuring - while I have never built a PC myself, I'm not too terrified of trying new things and consulting the internet for guidance. My guessing was about a grand building your own midgrade gaming rig. $1,300 for a pre-built is kind of around that, maybe a hair higher than my guess.

Yeah, I have the Omen laptop.. It's a beast, just not built for 24/7.. it overheats on me maybe 2-3x a month. Even more so if it's hot out.

I'm hoping the release of the 40xx GPU's makes the 12gb 3080 very cheap, I would take one of those instantly at the right price.

[theory816]

Do you have any links to some benchmarks?

Aww fk my naming convention is all fd up lol.

[Vikes723]

I believe the 2080 (I have the 150W TDP, not the max Q or max P bullchit) is basically the equivalent of a 3070 desktop card. However, I am not totally sure.

I am not going to go the pre built route, I want to build it myself. I actually dont know whether to add a Windows key... I used to build computers but that was when I had a burned copy of XP that worked on everything.

don't add a windows key, haven't bought one in 5+ years. Just get the windows installer via their website and install it on a flash drive and go into the bios make sure that flash drive is the first thing the computer boots from and run the installer. Takes 15 minutes or so. If you're not sure how to do it just youtube it there are a ton of videos on how to do it.

[rocketfish]

im waiting til Q1 2023, almost every large tech spot is saying AMD's 7000 ryzen 3D cache processors are coming.. I want to see whats going on with those puppies cause the 5800x3D is matching these new Ryzen 7000 cpu's in gaming performance and in some games beating them.. so just imagine ryzen 7000 3d cache, HHNNNGGGGG

[MiamiLife305]

Brah the 3060 is pretty strong. You'll be pretty future proof with it for the cost, if not playing 4k.

Please do not listen to this guy

The 3060 is a terrible price/performance card

A 6700xt CHITS on the 3060 for less $$

[theory816]

Please do not listen to this guy

The 3060 is a terrible price/performance card

A 6700xt CHITS on the 3060 for less $$

Yes, the 6700 is better than the 3060, BUT NOT FOR LESS MONEY, MORAN.

The better metric is cost per frame.

[Kev1972]

Yes, the 6700 is better than the 3060, BUT NOT FOR LESS MONEY, MORAN.

The better metric is cost per frame.

The AMD cards fall on their face with games that have ray tracing and dlss enabled. Like 20fps at 1080p. No thx jeff.

[theory816]

The AMD cards fall on their face with games that have ray tracing and dlss enabled. Like 20fps at 1080p. No thx jeff.

Im still learning about GPUs. The naming convention confuses the f outta me.

[Kev1972]

Im still learning about GPUs. The naming convention confuses the f outta me.

[theory816]

The AMD cards fall on their face with games that have ray tracing and dlss enabled. Like 20fps at 1080p. No thx jeff.

where do you get your benches for the ray tracing?

[Kev1972]

where do you get your benches for the ray tracing?

https://www.tomshardware.com/feature...or-ray-tracing

As it stands now, even without DLSS, Nvidia clearly leads in the majority of games that use DirectX Raytracing. Look at our rasterization-only GPU benchmarks and you'll find the RX 6900 XT and RX 6800 XT in spots two and three, with the RX 6800 in fifth place. With DXR, the 3080 goes from being just barely behind the 6800 XT to leading by over 30%. The same goes for the RTX 3070 and RX 6800: Without DXR, the 6800 is about 12% faster than the 3070; with DXR, the 3070 turns the tables and leads by 15%.

Turn on DLSS Quality mode and things go from bad to worse for Team Red. The RTX 3080 more than doubles the performance of the RX 6900 XT, never mind the 6800 XT. The RTX 3070 also more than doubles the performance of the RX 6800. Heck, even the RTX 3060 12GB beats the 6900 XT by 16% at 1080p and 23% at 1440p. Bottom line: AMD needs FSR, and it really should have had a working solution before the RDNA2 GPUs and consoles even launched. Better late than never, hopefully.

[theory816]

https://www.tomshardware.com/feature...or-ray-tracing

As it stands now, even without DLSS, Nvidia clearly leads in the majority of games that use DirectX Raytracing. Look at our rasterization-only GPU benchmarks and you'll find the RX 6900 XT and RX 6800 XT in spots two and three, with the RX 6800 in fifth place. With DXR, the 3080 goes from being just barely behind the 6800 XT to leading by over 30%. The same goes for the RTX 3070 and RX 6800: Without DXR, the 6800 is about 12% faster than the 3070; with DXR, the 3070 turns the tables and leads by 15%.

Turn on DLSS Quality mode and things go from bad to worse for Team Red. The RTX 3080 more than doubles the performance of the RX 6900 XT, never mind the 6800 XT. The RTX 3070 also more than doubles the performance of the RX 6800. Heck, even the RTX 3060 12GB beats the 6900 XT by 16% at 1080p and 23% at 1440p. Bottom line: AMD needs FSR, and it really should have had a working solution before the RDNA2 GPUs and consoles even launched. Better late than never, hopefully.

I place more importance on higher framerates though. Is ray tracing all that important?

[MiamiLife305]

Yes, the 6700 is better than the 3060, BUT NOT FOR LESS MONEY, MORAN.

The better metric is cost per frame.

God youre stupid

3060 is literally $360-380 new

6700xt can be bought for $380 new

and the performance difference is massive

Do more research before spouting opinions

[theory816]

God youre stupid

3060 is literally $360-380 new

6700xt can be bought for $380 new

and the performance difference is massive

Do more research before spouting opinions

Fk off retard. You're telling to do my research when the first result on newegg says the the 6700 is $550.

[Kev1972]

Fk off retard. You're telling to do my research when the first result on newegg says the the 6700 is $550.

I think I'd wait for the 4060 though if I was spending 4-500. It's going to be much more capable.

Even if you don't want ray tracing for enhanced visuals, dlss is a huge frame rate boost.

[theory816]

I think I'd wait for the 4060 though if I was spending 4-500. It's going to be much more capable.

Even if you don't want ray tracing for enhanced visuals, dlss is a huge frame rate boost.

All I know is I need 200fps on 1080p and 120fps on 1440p.

[Vikes723]

All I know is I need 200fps on 1080p and 120fps on 1440p.

All I know is I need 200fps on 1080p and 120fps on 1440p.

I was getting 200+ fps on a 1070 on 1080p, once I switched over to a 1440p I did notice it struggle a little more on Apex and such but once I get a 3080 I max out pretty much any game on FPS on my monitor. Also need to factor in the HZ rating of monitors. Having great components but running budget 60hz monitors sort of defeats any purpose. 1080p is cool of you're fps chasing but I like quality and the 1440p are not only imo affordable now but also look incredible.

I do agree DLSS is worth the price and if OP wanted to spend a little more for a 3070 I would say that is a solid investment and will be great for 3-5 years depending on how dependent games become on VRAM but for the near future? I would say its an easy choice. 3060 is fine for a real budget build on 1080p but 3070 should easily hit the 140fps-ish on most game titles at 1440p and could probably squeeze out even better performance with some tweaks on afterburner