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    Overrated & underrated

    It applies for everything: exercises, movements, programming, type of weights, nutrition, supplements and so on...

    Stuff that work well or not that well for you.

    For me:

    Overrated:

    - cable stiff arm pulldowns; I noticed it is a popular exercise, especially for people who believe back = lats. I tried it different ways {several grips, rope, bar, standing, kneeling} and a kneeling one arm cable high row seems so much better to isolate the lats.

    - preworkout; after experimenting with some of them, 200 mg of a caffeine pill is the same. Also, I don't understand why most people take it, 15-20 minutes before starting to warm up. For me, I feel the caffeine effects after 10 minutes and I prefer to take it after warmup, it's not like I need help for the first 6-8 sets. Also, I want to experiment with nicotine gum before training.

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    Underrated:

    - mobility work/stretching; I just feel much better after it, both physically and mentally. I know some people here see it as a "if you can do a lifting exercise with full ROM, no need for mobility", but even a strongman like Brian Alsruhe talks highly about it.
    https://youtu.be/To1VPRd2hRY

    - dumbell bentover tucked fly with the elbows bent for the traps and rhomboids.

    - GHD reverse hyper {gym doesn't own a reverse hyper machine} feels great on the lower back

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    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    Hopefully, this will not become a "trap bar vs conventional deadlift" thread
    I wasn't even thinking about that until you said it. I think that one's already pretty clearly on the record for and against lol.

    Overrated:

    - Highly leaned-forward, fixed handle tricep pulldowns. I know that's not the way to do them but I see them done that way all the time.

    - Straps

    Underrated:

    - Overhead Press. Lately it seems like this one has gotten dogged on a lot and I'm not sure why.

    - Curls. People get made fun of for giving them any kind of real emphasis but it's the ideal exercise for biceps and if you've got a strong curl, odds are good that your arms are big. Totally fair to regard with importance IMO.
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    Overrated -

    dumbell pullovers
    Dumbbell flyes
    Laying hamstring curls
    V-handle "Tbar rows"
    Arms fully flared for almost anything

    Underrated -

    Pullover machine
    Ghr leg curl
    Cambered bar bench!
    Prowler/sled drags and pushed

    Things that upset me that they are over rated -

    Bands/chains/adjusting strength curves are stupid fun but no better ffs certainly not the god send some claim, ill still be going it tho
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    Originally Posted by MyEgoProblem View Post
    D-handle "Tbar rows"
    What's a D-handle? And would be curious to hear you elaborate on this one.
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    Originally Posted by jaxqen View Post
    - preworkout; after experimenting with some of them, 200 mg of a caffeine pill is the same. Also, I don't understand why most people take it, 15-20 minutes before starting to warm up. For me, I feel the caffeine effects after 10 minutes and I prefer to take it after warmup, it's not like I need help for the first 6-8 sets. Also, I want to experiment with nicotine gum before training.
    Beta alanine for sure increases power endurance.
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    What's a D-handle? And would be curious to hear you elaborate on this one.
    Just a single hand grip. The grip is straight but it rounds out a bit for the hypotenuse of the attachment.
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    Underrated: pink dumbbells
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    Originally Posted by EliKoehn View Post
    What's a D-handle? And would be curious to hear you elaborate on this one.
    My bad.
    I meant the V Handle.... Dunno why my phone corrected that one.



    Over rated as ****, most cheated and bastardised lift.
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    Overrated:
    1. Squat
    2. Bench
    3. Deadlift
    4. Pendlay / Barbell Rows
    5. Barbell Curls
    6. Tricep Pushdowns

    Underrated:
    1. Ass To Grass Reverse Banded Hack Squats
    2. Converging Isolateral Chest Press Machine
    3. Rounded Back 45 Degree Back Raise
    4. Diverging Isolateral Chest Supported Row Machine
    5. Preacher Curl Machine
    6. EZ Bar French Press

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    Originally Posted by Camarija View Post
    Overrated:
    1. Squat
    2. Bench
    3. Deadlift
    4. Pendlay / Barbell Rows
    5. Barbell Curls
    6. Tricep Pushdowns

    Underrated:
    1. Ass To Grass Reverse Banded Hack Squats
    2. Converging Isolateral Chest Press Machine
    3. Rounded Back 45 Degree Back Raise
    4. Diverging Isolateral Chest Supported Row Machine
    5. Preacher Curl Machine
    6. EZ Bar French Press

    I mean, you’re not wrong.

    However straight bar curls and pressdowns are in no ways overrated, just often bastardized.
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    Originally Posted by BeginnerGainz View Post
    ... straight bar curls ... are in no ways overrated, just often bastardized.
    Wait, does this officially put you on record as liking a barbell exercise?
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    Originally Posted by Camarija View Post

    Converging Isolateral

    Diverging Isolateral

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    Overrated

    1. T-Bar Row

    It's the lift I see done poorly the most. Probably the most ego driven lift as it's usually heaved up without focusing on the muscle.

    2. Close Grip Bench

    Personal one but just don't like it. I don't feel the same activation as skullcrushers or dips in my triceps.

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    Underated

    1. Chin ups

    Newer lifters avoid them like the plague, probably because it's a difficult to perform (if not impossible) exercise when you're overweight or not strong enough. Assisted chin ups to eventual chin ups with bodyweight (then weighted) belt are just as important as other compound lifts imo.
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    Overrated - pullovers

    Just can't get a good feel from them, and my tri's take over

    - concentration curls

    Can't get a good feel from these either

    Underrated - Y raises on an angled bench for lower traps.

    Doesn't take much weight, using 2.5 kg plates, one in each hand atm, but it really hits the
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