Imagine being a dedicated 49ers fan right now

[JayJ350]

They sunk absolutely everything into getting this new quarterback they've been hyping up, dude hardly does chit in his first outing and gets himself injured for the rest of the season.

What a joke.

[AndrewTateTopG]

They sunk absolutely everything into getting this new quarterback they've been hyping up, dude hardly does chit in his first outing and gets himself injured for the rest of the season.

What a joke.

It’s his first year what you mean? He only played like 3 games last year of course he’s gonna be bad troll, they just need him to play just as good as Jimmy g who only throws for about 230 yards a game

[BigDeeps01]

They sunk absolutely everything into getting this new quarterback they've been hyping up, dude hardly does chit in his first outing and gets himself injured for the rest of the season.

What a joke.

It's ok team is better with Jimmy anyway

still playoff bound

[Vhagar]

Hilarious

Dude played one decent season at a low tier college and they’re acting like he’s the savior

[JayJ350]

Hilarious

Dude played one decent season at a low tier college and they’re acting like he’s the savior

The cope from 9ers fans is incredible

[demfeelsbro]

I would like to thank the seahawks for getting us Jimmy back

feel bad for Trey though....hyped up, back up for Jimmy, finally gets to play, Jimmy kept as back up as they have no faith in him, shanahan keeps making him run needlessly, 1st game has to play in a literal monsoon, 2nd game breaks his ankle and out for the season....talk about a rough start to a career and difficult to come back from mentally.

[x-trainer ben]

It worked out the way it should have.
Jimmy got his shoulder fixed. Trey got ready, next man up!

[JayJ350]

I would like to thank the seahawks for getting us Jimmy back

feel bad for Trey though....hyped up, back up for Jimmy, finally gets to play, Jimmy kept as back up as they have no faith in him, shanahan keeps making him run needlessly, 1st game has to play in a literal monsoon, 2nd game breaks his ankle and out for the season....talk about a rough start to a career and difficult to come back from mentally.

Yup. It's all over for the 9'ers. Putting everything into Trey was a boneheaded move.

[iamgenus]

Yup. It's all over for the 9'ers. Putting everything into Trey was a boneheaded move.

Putting everything into Trey.

They went to the NFC Championship game last year. We'll see what happens this year.

Their draft this year looks great so far. Lance getting injured sucks but give me a break about acting like the guys' career is done. Dude is already more mature than Jimmy and other QBs who have been in this league for years.

Injuries may very well be his undoing but everything else he's going to work on.

They have one more pick to give away from the Trey trade. If they keep shooting themselves in the foot the Dolphins will be getting a good one but odds are they'll figure it out because their defense is still great.

They have 2 starters on the roster over 31 years of age. That's Trent Williams and Robbie Gould. Basically a freak of a man in Williams and a kicker who can play into their 40s no problem.

Gave up everything. What a drama queen.

[Miked1978]

If you watched Sunday night and have 1/2 a brain you'd see why the 49ers went all in on Trey bc Jimmy isnt it. Sucks the coach runs him up the middle like a fullback and he broke his ankle.

[Slamt]

Could be worse, you could be mentally ill like that miami fan or that one retarded mitchell tribustski stan.

[dyee4613]

I'm pretty sure half the 49ers thread post-draft is just me arguing with genus over the Lance pick. I was losing my mind.

[iamgenus]

I'm pretty sure half the 49ers thread post-draft is just me arguing with genus over the Lance pick. I was losing my mind.

True and you're no more correct now than you were then.

Draft picks are only as good as the players selected with them. 49ers gave away a lot to move up for Trey but had those first rounders produced guys like AJ Jenkins, Rashaun Woods, Kentwan Balmer, Josh Garnett, Kwame Harris, Solomon Thomas...etc you're not missing much. Especially if Trey ends up turning into a franchise QB.

Also when you have a roster filled with drafted players outside of the first round and you can find gems in the later rounds you can recover and keep the roster afloat.

[BigElephant]

They picked a bad year to go all in for a QB in the draft. Although I still think Fields can be good and TL might be turning a corner. We'll see though, Trey has had very little experience and he might turn out OK. I don't envy the position that team is in though.

[rocketfish]

the best years watching them cope were in the kaepernick years especially after the misc wizard predicted the downfall of the 49ers after alex smith was gone. they still thought kaepernick was good lmfao

[dyee4613]

True and you're no more correct now than you were then.

Draft picks are only as good as the players selected with them. 49ers gave away a lot to move up for Trey but had those first rounders produced guys like AJ Jenkins, Rashaun Woods, Kentwan Balmer, Josh Garnett, Kwame Harris, Solomon Thomas...etc you're not missing much. Especially if Trey ends up turning into a franchise QB.

Also when you have a roster filled with drafted players outside of the first round and you can find gems in the later rounds you can recover and keep the roster afloat.

I was right when the trade was made. I will be right if Trey busts out of the league. I will be right if Trey is a hall of famer. It made no sense to invest that much into a QB when you have an elite team. It makes sense for crap franchises to roll the dice because the upside is so great and there is no real downside. There are MASSIVE problems for a team like the 49ers. When you're this good, you want to go all-in and try to win a few titles before your guys age out/become too expensive. Trey is a long-term move for a team that likely won't be elite when he is ready to shine.

[iamgenus]

I was right when the trade was made. I will be right if Trey busts out of the league. I will be right if Trey is a hall of famer. It made no sense to invest that much into a QB when you have an elite team. It makes sense for crap franchises to roll the dice because the upside is so great and there is no real downside. There are MASSIVE problems for a team like the 49ers. When you're this good, you want to go all-in and try to win a few titles before your guys age out/become too expensive. Trey is a long-term move for a team that likely won't be elite when he is ready to shine.

49ers have nailed just one pick under Shanahan and that's the obvious Nick Bosa selection.

If Trey ends up being a stud it won't matter what they gave up and even if he doesn't if they can draft good players later in the draft it won't doom the team.

So far they gave away a 29th pick and a 3rd round comp pick they got from one of their coaches being hired. You guys are acting like they traded away half the team.

[JayJ350]

True and you're no more correct now than you were then.

Draft picks are only as good as the players selected with them. 49ers gave away a lot to move up for Trey but had those first rounders produced guys like AJ Jenkins, Rashaun Woods, Kentwan Balmer, Josh Garnett, Kwame Harris, Solomon Thomas...etc you're not missing much. Especially if Trey ends up turning into a franchise QB.

Also when you have a roster filled with drafted players outside of the first round and you can find gems in the later rounds you can recover and keep the roster afloat.

How are people still trying to hype up this bust after he hasn't done chit and gets himself injured for a year?

Let me guess, you're the same type of 9ers fan who says Kaepernick got blackballed as you swear he was one of the best quarterbacks.

[JayJ350]

If you watched Sunday night and have 1/2 a brain you'd see why the 49ers went all in on Trey bc Jimmy isnt it. Sucks the coach runs him up the middle like a fullback and he broke his ankle.

If the guy can't figure out how to run his own plays and protect himself, he's worthless as a quarterback.

[iamgenus]

How are people still trying to hype up this bust after he hasn't done chit and gets himself injured for a year?

Let me guess, you're the same type of 9ers fan who says Kaepernick got blackballed as you swear he was one of the best quarterbacks.

I don't know who the **** you are nor do I care but I can tell you have no idea how the game works or what it takes to improve at it for quarterbacks.

Lance's issues are all related to his lack of reps. The Kap comparisons are there for obvious reasons and it has nothing to do with football. Lance had a better grasp on pro concepts as a freshman at NDSU than Kap did in the NFL.

This was after Lance's 3rd NFL start in those **** conditions in Chicago

https://twitter.com/PFF_Jeff/status/...eMIoqx6Ero1eCA

But sure let's pretend the guy is a bust after 3 starts.

[iamgenus]

If the guy can't figure out how to run his own plays and protect himself, he's worthless as a quarterback.

Yup...clueless

[dyee4613]

49ers have nailed just one pick under Shanahan and that's the obvious Nick Bosa selection.

If Trey ends up being a stud it won't matter what they gave up and even if he doesn't if they can draft good players later in the draft it won't doom the team.

So far they gave away a 29th pick and a 3rd round comp pick they got from one of their coaches being hired. You guys are acting like they traded away half the team.

To be fair, I excluded a number of solid players that might be seen as debatable. Remember Lynch took over in 2017.

All-Pros:
- Kittle 17, Warner 18, Deebo 19

Pro-bowl:
Bosa 19

Above-average players
Greenlaw 19, Aiyuk 20, Aaron Banks 21 (so far), Mitchell 21

There are very few teams that can compare to this run.

[iamgenus]

To be fair, I excluded a number of solid players that might be seen as debatable. Remember Lynch took over in 2017.

All-Pros:
- Kittle 17, Warner 18, Deebo 19

Pro-bowl:
Bosa 19

Above-average players
Greenlaw 19, Aiyuk 20, Aaron Banks 21 (so far), Mitchell 21

There are very few teams that can compare to this run.

Even more reason to swing for the fences for a QB. But look at the first rounders they took since Lynch and Shanahan(cuz he calls the shots) took over

Solomon Thomas
Reuben Foster
Mike McGlinchey
Nick Bosa
Javon Kinlaw
Brandon Aiyuk

Thomas and Foster were busts
McGlinchey is an ok RT but certainly not the OT you think of when using a top 10 pick on one.
Bosa is a slam dunk and no brainer pick who would've went #1 overall if not for Kingsbury & Kyler Murray connection.
Kinlaw and Aiyuk are up in the air and they may be solid. I think Aiyuk has a better chance to be special than Kinlaw at this point

But fact is if you can hit on the QB you take it. And the position is so critical that you have to take those shots.

49ers have the best defense in the NFL so far and are 1-2 to show for it. Including 1 loss where they played their ass off and the QB literally gave the game away.

Also the fact that they've been able to hit with their later picks is why you make that move as well. Just ****ed up luck that Lance gets hurt and now will be 2 years without game reps.

[dyee4613]

Even more reason to swing for the fences for a QB. But look at the first rounders they took since Lynch and Shanahan(cuz he calls the shots) took over

Solomon Thomas
Reuben Foster
Mike McGlinchey
Nick Bosa
Javon Kinlaw
Brandon Aiyuk

Thomas and Foster were busts
McGlinchey is an ok RT but certainly not the OT you think of when using a top 10 pick on one.
Bosa is a slam dunk and no brainer pick who would've went #1 overall if not for Kingsbury & Kyler Murray connection.
Kinlaw and Aiyuk are up in the air and they may be solid. I think Aiyuk has a better chance to be special than Kinlaw at this point

But fact is if you can hit on the QB you take it. And the position is so critical that you have to take those shots.

49ers have the best defense in the NFL so far and are 1-2 to show for it. Including 1 loss where they played their ass off and the QB literally gave the game away.

Also the fact that they've been able to hit with their later picks is why you make that move as well. Just ****ed up luck that Lance gets hurt and now will be 2 years without game reps.

lmao. 49ers are great at drafting so that means we should invest all our assets into trying to draft a QB. that is some next level logic

[JayJ350]

Yup...clueless

Listen bub, Brady isn't the GOAT because of his coaches.

[dyee4613]

Listen bub, Brady isn't the GOAT because of his coaches.

you think Brady is the reason for the 1st patriots dynasty?

[Miked1978]

lmao. 49ers are great at drafting so that means we should invest all our assets into trying to draft a QB. that is some next level logic

Logic is sound to me. They have a great roster so why not swing for the fences and try to get a franchise QB.

[dyee4613]

Logic is sound to me. They have a great roster so why not swing for the fences and try to get a franchise QB.

Let's break this down conceptually and then in this specific instance.

Point 1: Let's use a poker analogy. If you have an edge, you maximize value by increasing volume because as the sample size grows your skill advantages will become more apparent while variance decreases. The same concept applies here. A better drafting team will want more picks as a base rule. You only want to increase the invested based on your confidence level (IE: bet more with monsters). This is not the case here because..

Point 2: NFL teams are not great at evaluating QBs. The first QB taken is rarely the best QB in a class. The bust rate for QBs is very high while the chances of finding an elite QB (defined as all-pro) is very low. It's far riskier than any other position and that is without factoring in the fact QBs tend to require significantly more draft capital than other positions.

Point 3: A rookie QB generally doesn't match a championship window. It will generally take 2 years for the QB to become a major asset. This is a long-term move as it almost always makes your team worse at the time.

Point 4: There are massive opportunity costs tied to this QB. You could have got a high-caliber immediate impact player.

The reason you want a franchise QB it is the easiest way to build a championship contender. Bad teams tend to do it because it is really hard to find a franchise QB and if you miss it sets your franchise back. The 49ers already are a championship contender so it would make more sense to trade for an establish QB like the Rams did or try to bring in a stud at another position and win in spite of the QB.

For the 49ers specifically, I think the move is much worse when you consider the context of how this happened. The 49ers actions suggest they are really high on Lance. I don't think there is a compelling argument to justify the 49ers spending all that capital to move up as nothing about Lance as a prospect suggests he would be head and shoulders better than Fields and Jones. Additionally, the only risk of Lance getting drafted was the Falcons and I think they were sold on Pitts.

I think Lance in year 2 is worse than Jimmy. This was before a freak injury ruined him for two years and who knows what will happen after that. The 49ers could have got a lot better in a WIDE OPEN NFC instead they decided to get worse and star players will need to be paid.

[iamgenus]

Let's break this down conceptually and then in this specific instance.

Point 1: Let's use a poker analogy. If you have an edge, you maximize value by increasing volume because as the sample size grows your skill advantages will become more apparent while variance decreases. The same concept applies here. A better drafting team will want more picks as a base rule. You only want to increase the invested based on your confidence level (IE: bet more with monsters). This is not the case here because..

This isn't poker bro. The draft is not a science or math problem.

Point 2: NFL teams are not great at evaluating QBs. The first QB taken is rarely the best QB in a class. The bust rate for QBs is very high while the chances of finding an elite QB (defined as all-pro) is very low. It's far riskier than any other position and that is without factoring in the fact QBs tend to require significantly more draft capital than other positions.

A. Not all teams are the same level as far as evaluations and past history of QB busts doesn't mean anything. The reward of hitting on an all pro level QB is way higher than any risk involved with the picks given away.
B. QB development is just as much coaching, player work ethic and intelligence as it is based on pre-draft evaluations. If an offensive minded HC like Shanahan decides he likes someone enough to make the jump to 3 and give up that capital then he should do it. Especially when the roster is already strong enough to compete because you're not likely to have a high draft pick for a while.

Point 3: A rookie QB generally doesn't match a championship window. It will generally take 2 years for the QB to become a major asset. This is a long-term move as it almost always makes your team worse at the time.

Maybe...problem is the QB they had starting is Jimmy G, same guy making rookie level mistakes well into his NFL career. You're not replacing a Patrick Mahomes level player so a rookie or 2nd year QB coming in to that team can still win you games basically being a game manager. Lance's selling point was high football IQ, strong work ethic and big tools.

Point 4: There are massive opportunity costs tied to this QB. You could have got a high-caliber immediate impact player.

The reason you want a franchise QB it is the easiest way to build a championship contender. Bad teams tend to do it because it is really hard to find a franchise QB and if you miss it sets your franchise back. The 49ers already are a championship contender so it would make more sense to trade for an establish QB like the Rams did or try to bring in a stud at another position and win in spite of the QB.

For the 49ers specifically, I think the move is much worse when you consider the context of how this happened. The 49ers actions suggest they are really high on Lance. I don't think there is a compelling argument to justify the 49ers spending all that capital to move up as nothing about Lance as a prospect suggests he would be head and shoulders better than Fields and Jones. Additionally, the only risk of Lance getting drafted was the Falcons and I think they were sold on Pitts.

I think Lance in year 2 is worse than Jimmy. This was before a freak injury ruined him for two years and who knows what will happen after that. The 49ers could have got a lot better in a WIDE OPEN NFC instead they decided to get worse and star players will need to be paid.

Amazing what hindsight can get you right? 49ers saw what Jimmy was getting them. Made the evaluation they liked with Lance and saw the roster they had in place to support him as he develops from a game manager like QB to a potential elite QB. The ankle injury hurts in more ways than one because you're losing 2 years of that rookie deal and he still has an insanely limited amount of game reps.

However you last point is backed by nothing but blind speculation. You're making an evaluation on the kid from 1 game on the road in sh*t ass field conditions? Same game where PFF had him graded as making the most "big time throws" that week despite those conditions?


Jeff Deeney
@PFF_Jeff
·
Sep 13
NFL leader in Big Time Throw percentage after one week? That would be Trey Lance at 6.9%. #49ers

We simply had no real understanding how good this offense would be this year with Trey vs Jimmy because of how early in the season he got hurt and how crazy the conditions in week 1 were. Those are not the games to evaluate a QB in.

And while Jimmy played very well vs the Rams this week he hurt the team WAY more vs Denver than Trey did against Chicago in conditions that were way worse. Let's not forget the last game we saw Garoppolo play in similar conditions without George Kittle vs a similar scheme(even though Jimmy played at home after a bye week) his numbers looked like this

16/27 181 1 TD 2 INT 2 rush attempts for 0 yards 2 fumbles 1 lost

Lance in his 3rd NFL start on the road in worse conditions(field was dog **** from the first snap and late in the 4th when they had to throw it was at its worst)
13/28 164 0 TD 1 INT 13 rush attempts for 54 yards 1 fumble 0 lost.

Like seriously imagine the crap Lance would get if he ever stepped out of the endzone for a safety and on the same play threw a pick 6?

And btw another reason to take a young QB IS because those star players need to get paid. How you doing that with a vet QB? You're talking against yourself. If you find your franchise QB and can show that he can be a star, guys want to come to play with him.

You take the shot. When it's all said and done if the 49ers can get good Garoppolo and stop losing guys to injury they may end up giving away 2 low 1st round picks and a low 3rd round pick. Trade value chart wise if you account for depreciating value of future picks at the time of the trade, they may end up coming out on top of the trade value. That's not even taking into account whether Trey can turn into a great one or not.