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    Originally Posted by ScramFranklin View Post
    Aren’t going to be better looking? Or better in terms of gameplay. Because they will definitely get better looking once cross gen is done
    A cross between both

    More tech to use should mean more innovations in game engines, but all we see are the same style games from the last 20 years. "open world" games don't really mean anything other than the game has roaming cells it loads with LOD, something accomplished decades ago.

    I'd expect open world games to have lush detail and incredible freedom to do whatever you want, with appropriate response from the game. We don't get that. We basically get, what is in reality, a large single level with internal rooms that are loaded upon entrance. When's the last time you saw an NPC react to environment destruction???? It should be a component of the AI to recognize the behavior of the player....we have ai for this....

    Basically, all of this tech power and the degree of freedom in games haven't really increased. So to answer your question, its really a cross between both. Its how better tech SHOULD affect the gameplay but hasn't.
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    Originally Posted by OptimusTrajan View Post
    1080ti is like the 3060, which is totally usable. Maybe he just got used to his magical 3080.
    $400 card vs $800 but that 1080ti held up for a long time. Wonder if the 4080 will be relevant for 8 years.
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    there is no game that im interested in that would utilize even close what the 4080/4090 is capable of

    my 3080 tuf gaming crushes everything maxed out, wont bother replacing for years to come unless I have a good reason to do so
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    Lol look at that sh*t power/watt performance.

    Also consoles decide graphical standards, so don't expect anything better than PS5 gfx Peeceecels.
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    Originally Posted by Kev1972 View Post
    $400 card vs $800 but that 1080ti held up for a long time. Wonder if the 4080 will be relevant for 8 years.
    Well of course the same performance goes down in cost. Next gen the 5060 will be 4080 performance.

    1080ti is 5 years old.

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    Lol look at that sh*t power/watt performance.

    Also consoles decide graphical standards, so don't expect anything better than PS5 gfx Peeceecels.
    Is that why there was console revisions last gen? Don't worry though, in a month and a half your PS5 will be behind in cpu by two generations (Zen 2 vs 4), and gpu by one (RDNA2 vs 3).
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    Graphics are only ever going to be so good.

    The difference you console plebs seem to forget is framerates. Even if our games look the same, mine are running twice as fast if not more.

    Originally Posted by Kev1972 View Post
    $400 card vs $800 but that 1080ti held up for a long time. Wonder if the 4080 will be relevant for 8 years.
    I bought a 1080ti reference model at launch and it had proven to be the best value card I've ever owned. My gf still uses it in her rig and plays at 3440x1440p without much issue. My 1080ti has run at 80+ degrees for nearly 5 years in a micro pc case.

    The only thing that stops the 1080ti from being goated is lack of dlss support. Some newer titles have been less then ideal. But some are fine. Dying light 2 didn't run super well, but Spiderman port ran at like 90 fps smooth as butter.
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    Originally Posted by freeburn View Post

    I bought a 1080ti reference model at launch and it had proven to be the best value card I've ever owned. My gf still uses it in her rig and plays at 3440x1440p without much issue. My 1080ti has run at 80+ degrees for nearly 5 years in a micro pc case.

    The only thing that stops the 1080ti from being goated is lack of dlss support. Some newer titles have been less then ideal. But some are fine. Dying light 2 didn't run super well, but Spiderman port ran at like 90 fps smooth as butter.
    yea and they have the new superman running on the 4090 with max raytracing enabled at 8k
    just sayin

    but yeah pc will always have its benefits. consoles usually run at high settings. pc gets very high settings, full raytracing, best mods, higher resolutions and much higher framrates
    but ill agree that PC needs some heavy hitter exclusives

    when oblivion launced on consoles it was meh. on pc they fixed most of the problems and enhanced it to hell. certain types of games i cant enjoy on consoles.
    pc used to get games like F.E.A.R which didnt launch on consoles until they did new iterations
    could use a new crysis game but its not in devs best interests to make pc exclusives and miss out on console money
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    Originally Posted by OptimusTrajan View Post
    Well of course the same performance goes down in cost. Next gen the 5060 will be 4080 performance.

    1080ti is 5 years old.



    Is that why there was console revisions last gen? Don't worry though, in a month and a half your PS5 will be behind in cpu by two generations (Zen 2 vs 4), and gpu by one (RDNA2 vs 3).
    and it will not matter because the industry only caters to the lowest common denominator.
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    and it will not matter because the industry only caters to the lowest common denominator.
    If you made a game would you cater it to the 1% tardz who blow $1500 on a graphics card or the 99% moggers who blow $250 at best?
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    newegg is listing the 4090 at actual msrp

    https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-r...quicklink=true
    price flashes before the "out of stock" kicks in
    will be interesting if you can get this series at actual msrp this time around. Looks good for next year price drops
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    and it will not matter because the industry only caters to the lowest common denominator.
    The switch?

    Games are made, and then scaled down for consoles.
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    Originally Posted by OptimusTrajan View Post
    The switch?

    Games are made, and then scaled down for consoles.
    yes and the ability to scale down is considered from the onset. Because of this, a lot of titles do no make it to the switch because it can barely tow the line of gaming from a decade ago.

    most PC gamers don't even have an xbox series x equivalent system. Ironically, the PC gaming whales that pay nvidia's prices ensure this remains the case!
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    Originally Posted by rectifryer View Post
    yes and the ability to scale down is considered from the onset. Because of this, a lot of titles do no make it to the switch because it can barely tow the line of gaming from a decade ago.

    most PC gamers don't even have an xbox series x equivalent system. Ironically, the PC gaming whales that pay nvidia's prices ensure this remains the case!
    Most console players just play Madden, COD, or FIFA, it doesn't really matter.

    Porting between the two is literally just changing API calls and then if it is new to PC, adding features, or removing them from the console version. Sony and MS went to PC architecture last gen to make this easier.
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    Originally Posted by phaginator View Post
    Lol look at that sh*t power/watt performance.

    Also consoles decide graphical standards, so don't expect anything better than PS5 gfx Peeceecels.
    https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...-XT/3918vs4109

    6700 XT closest to PS5 gfx. But my 1080ti is such dogchit right whatever that dudes name is? lol.

    And many people dont realize this. PC gaming in the mainstream is dead again. Sure there will always be PC gamers and PC games, but its not mainstream. Phone gaming is mainstream, and next to that is console. They dictate what devs aim for to please the execs going after that $.

    But these cucks out here bending over for nvidia begging them to get pegged so they can scream on forums like this about how much better their card is. Meanwhile in any real world gaming benchmark the FPS gains are minimal. Oh wow you paid another $1200 two years later for 10 FPS more at best. And even then when it comes to noticing in gameplay if you arent running some FPS counter on your screen, there is no difference.
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    Originally Posted by OptimusTrajan View Post
    Most console players just play Madden, COD, or FIFA, it doesn't really matter.

    Porting between the two is literally just changing API calls and then if it is new to PC, adding features, or removing them from the console version. Sony and MS went to PC architecture last gen to make this easier.
    not sure where to go with your statements

    console players don't only play sports games lmao

    and portability has nothing to do with the statements I made regarding the lack of tendency companies to develop engines that creatively use the new tech ceiling...because they are incentivized by the LCD vs nvdia who is incentivized to sell you the most expensive card they can.

    apis don't create hardware resources, they only manage them

    Gaming is most certainly not api limited....
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    Originally Posted by Guyfawkes1010 View Post
    https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compar...-XT/3918vs4109

    6700 XT closest to PS5 gfx. But my 1080ti is such dogchit right whatever that dudes name is? lol.

    And many people dont realize this. PC gaming in the mainstream is dead again. Sure there will always be PC gamers and PC games, but its not mainstream. Phone gaming is mainstream, and next to that is console. They dictate what devs aim for to please the execs going after that $.

    But these cucks out here bending over for nvidia begging them to get pegged so they can scream on forums like this about how much better their card is. Meanwhile in any real world gaming benchmark the FPS gains are minimal. Oh wow you paid another $1200 two years later for 10 FPS more at best. And even then when it comes to noticing in gameplay if you arent running some FPS counter on your screen, there is no difference.
    this is all truth and that sucks

    people who buy top tier gfx cards now are the same people that will spend $50k on a hyundai or a kia lmao
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    Itt alot of poorcels and console plebs
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    Lol let me get my 4090 for this!

    Recommended system requirements for the open beta are an Intel i7-4770K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU, with a GeForce GTX 1060 or Radeon RX 580 graphics card. You’ll need 16GB of RAM, and to clear at least 25GB of space on your hard drive of choice. Make sure you’re up to date with the latest version of Windows 10. It’s also suggested that you update your graphics drivers to 516.79 for Nvidia cards and 21.9.1 for AMD.

    Minimum system requirements run to an Intel i5-3570 or AMD Ryzen 5 1600X CPU, with a GeForce GTX 960 or Radeon RX 470 graphics card. You should be able to manage with just 8GB of RAM. You’ll obviously still need that 25GB free in your game garage, and to update your card’s drivers if you haven’t already. Full info on getting your PC ready for the Modern Warfare 2 open beta can be found here.

    Modern Warfare 2 has a few snazzy new features to try out, some of which you should see in the open beta. Your grunt can swim now, for one thing, and take the fight to the water. Other changes include the ability to mount weapons on whatever surface you like, mantle things you weren’t able to previously, and hang off ledges as though you were some sort of special-ops orangutan. You can also sprint quicker than before, and dive at maximum speed. Private O'Duty’s clearly been hitting the assault course hard.
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    1080ti is like the 3060, which is totally usable. Maybe he just got used to his magical 3080.
    Mhm.
    3060’s aren’t running anything demanding either Lmao.

    Not unless it’s 1080p and/or taking some serious hits to quality settings.

    Like literally FACTUAL ****ing benchmarks, etc support what I’m saying, but if you’re happy with your 1080ti, that’s cool brah lol.
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    Originally Posted by freeburn View Post
    Itt alot of poorcels and console plebs
    It's not about being poor, it's about not being wasteful with our money. You might find this tough to believe but it's how most rich people managed to get rich.

    I could afford one of these new cards every day. It's just dumb though. It will just run Cyberpunk that looks 5% better than the one on my ps5 visually.

    "but omg it will have 4 times as much FPS"

    But yeah I don't care. I can't tell much difference between 60 and 120. Why the phuk do I need 200+ fps.
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    Originally Posted by Coal Man View Post
    It's not about being poor, it's about not being wasteful with our money. You might find this tough to believe but it's how most rich people managed to get rich.

    I could afford one of these new cards every day. It's just dumb though. It will just run Cyberpunk that looks 5% better than the one on my ps5 visually.

    "but omg it will have 4 times as much FPS"

    But yeah I don't care. I can't tell much difference between 60 and 120. Why the phuk do I need 200+ fps.
    Bruh I typically like your posts but you’re out of your ****ing mind if you think CP2077 only looks 5% better on PC than PS5. They may as well be two different games it looks so much better on PC lol.
    Between ray tracing, better draw distance, better textures, etc it’s not even close.

    Exact same thing can be said about a LOT of AAA games.

    They look good on console - they look incredible on PC.
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    Originally Posted by R3L3NTL3SS View Post
    Bruh I typically like your posts but you’re out of your ****ing mind if you think CP2077 only looks 5% better on PC than PS5. They may as well be two different games it looks so much better on PC lol.
    Between ray tracing, better draw distance, better textures, etc it’s not even close.

    Exact same thing can be said about a LOT of AAA games.

    They look good on console - they look incredible on PC.
    Do you have a ps5 and the ps5 version of CP2077? I saw it running on my friend's 3080 and it looks roughly the same to me. He's a neighbor and lives 2 mins walk from my house.

    Your average pleb watching the two side by side would not tell the difference. I was not impressed with it on psycho(?) settings.


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    Originally Posted by Coal Man View Post
    It's not about being poor, it's about not being wasteful with our money. You might find this tough to believe but it's how most rich people managed to get rich.

    I could afford one of these new cards every day. It's just dumb though. It will just run Cyberpunk that looks 5% better than the one on my ps5 visually.

    "but omg it will have 4 times as much FPS"

    But yeah I don't care. I can't tell much difference between 60 and 120. Why the phuk do I need 200+ fps.
    If you can't tell the difference between 60 and 120fps, you probably are the last person who should give opinions on gaming visuals because you are blind as fuk
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    Lol let me get my 4090 for this!

    Recommended system requirements for the open beta are an Intel i7-4770K or AMD Ryzen 7 1800X CPU, with a GeForce GTX 1060 or Radeon RX 580 graphics card. You’ll need 16GB of RAM, and to clear at least 25GB of space on your hard drive of choice. Make sure you’re up to date with the latest version of Windows 10. It’s also suggested that you update your graphics drivers to 516.79 for Nvidia cards and 21.9.1 for AMD.

    Minimum system requirements run to an Intel i5-3570 or AMD Ryzen 5 1600X CPU, with a GeForce GTX 960 or Radeon RX 470 graphics card. You should be able to manage with just 8GB of RAM. You’ll obviously still need that 25GB free in your game garage, and to update your card’s drivers if you haven’t already. Full info on getting your PC ready for the Modern Warfare 2 open beta can be found here.

    Modern Warfare 2 has a few snazzy new features to try out, some of which you should see in the open beta. Your grunt can swim now, for one thing, and take the fight to the water. Other changes include the ability to mount weapons on whatever surface you like, mantle things you weren’t able to previously, and hang off ledges as though you were some sort of special-ops orangutan. You can also sprint quicker than before, and dive at maximum speed. Private O'Duty’s clearly been hitting the assault course hard.
    Going from a 4790k/1080 TI to a 11700k/3080, I can tell you my gaming experience improve significantly, even though I was already getting 100+ fps @ UX1440

    It's the 1% low that matters the most, not your average or max.
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    Originally Posted by pondus_levo View Post
    Going from a 4790k/1080 TI to a 11700k/3080, I can tell you my gaming experience improve significantly, even though I was already getting 100+ fps @ UX1440

    It's the 1% low that matters the most, not your average or max.
    A better low 1% is about the ONLY argument that you can make that isnt tied to some elitism made up to justify shelling out a stupid amount of money otherwise. Its still not fair trade though. Not even close unless your jumping like you did. But also likely your CPU was by FAR what made up the difference. Thats one hella old CPU.
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    Originally Posted by pondus_levo View Post
    Going from a 4790k/1080 TI to a 11700k/3080, I can tell you my gaming experience improve significantly, even though I was already getting 100+ fps @ UX1440

    It's the 1% low that matters the most, not your average or max.
    Originally Posted by Guyfawkes1010 View Post
    A better low 1% is about the ONLY argument that you can make that isnt tied to some elitism made up to justify shelling out a stupid amount of money otherwise. Its still not fair trade though. Not even close unless your jumping like you did. But also likely your CPU was by FAR what made up the difference. Thats one hella old CPU.
    i heard AMD's 3D cache improves the 1% lows so much that it makes gameplay buttery smooth..

    the AMD 5800x3D is the only one out right now, rumors are sometime in 2023 the AMD will released 3D cache versions of the latest Ryzen 7000 series.
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    Originally Posted by freeburn View Post
    If you can't tell the difference between 60 and 120fps, you probably are the last person who should give opinions on gaming visuals because you are blind as fuk
    I literally posted a video showing them looking almost the same. Still salty you're getting mogged by ps exclusives? Don't worry brah you're getting Spiderman miles morales on PC soon so you'll have a game to play.
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    Originally Posted by Coal Man View Post
    It's not about being poor, it's about not being wasteful with our money. You might find this tough to believe but it's how most rich people managed to get rich.

    I could afford one of these new cards every day. It's just dumb though. It will just run Cyberpunk that looks 5% better than the one on my ps5 visually.

    "but omg it will have 4 times as much FPS"

    But yeah I don't care. I can't tell much difference between 60 and 120. Why the phuk do I need 200+ fps.
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    Originally Posted by Coal Man View Post
    I literally posted a video showing them looking almost the same. Still salty you're getting mogged by ps exclusives? Don't worry brah you're getting Spiderman miles morales on PC soon so you'll have a game to play.
    I mentioned nothing about graphics. Only about fps. Didn't even comment on your video at all. Simply said you're blind if you can't tell the difference between 60 and 120 fps.

    You can show me a thousand ps5 exclusives and I'll show you a thousand games I don't care about dude. I play multiplayer pc games.
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    Originally Posted by freeburn View Post
    I mentioned nothing about graphics. Only about fps. Didn't even comment on your video at all. Simply said you're blind if you can't tell the difference between 60 and 120 fps.

    You can show me a thousand ps5 exclusives and I'll show you a thousand games I don't care about dude. I play multiplayer pc games.
    Nah there is a difference but barely noticeable unless you slow down the game. I can get it helping a little in multiplayer games but again, not by much. Anyone with 5% better skill will easily win 90% of matches against you even if they're running it on 60fps.

    My entire point is games aren't looking much better on PC than console currently. There's no games that take advantage of the power of those high end GPUs. Getting those super high end cards is pointless unless, again, you're just a super nerd who likes to see a high fps number on your screen.
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