Martha's Vineyard

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I dunno....A round-trip boat ride to Cape Cod is less than $20 and takes around 45 minutes. They could have sent the whole lot of them there and back for the price of a couple of nice family dinners in MV.

Massachusetts has 8 sanctuary cities and DeSantis intentionally avoids them all for stupid political reasons. Our immigration policy is hopelessly f@cked up and it has been for decades, but it’s pretty clear Governors Abbot and DeSantis want a broken immigration system. They aren’t complaining about a lack of resources to process the incoming migrants, they don’t want to process them at all.

[Mark1T]

Massachusetts has 8 sanctuary cities and DeSantis intentionally avoids them all for stupid political reasons. Our immigration policy is hopelessly f@cked up and it has been for decades, but it’s pretty clear Governors Abbot and DeSantis want a broken immigration system. They aren’t complaining about a lack of resources to process the incoming migrants, they don’t want to process them at all.

You say this when there is an Open Border policy at the Southern Border? Abbot and DeSantis did not ask for the uncontrolled flow of immigrants. Is it more humane to ship the immigrants elsewhere or to have them bake in South Texas or Arizona? Planes have a/c and food.

[LWW]

I bet if dems bussed them to MaraLaGo that would be a dream come true for immigrants.

Think about it, they’d easily get a job building Trump buildings, walls and Casinos.

They’d be set, what ya think Pockets?

[Karl_Hungus]

Massachusetts has 8 sanctuary cities and DeSantis intentionally avoids them all for stupid political reasons. Our immigration policy is hopelessly f@cked up and it has been for decades, but it’s pretty clear Governors Abbot and DeSantis want a broken immigration system. They aren’t complaining about a lack of resources to process the incoming migrants, they don’t want to process them at all.

Well, they want the border controlled so that we aren't getting flooded by uncontrolled masses of people. But let's be honest here. You and I both know this isn't about logistics. MV doesn't want poor migrants in their community because it would disrupt the upscale texture of life there. They don't want to admit that because it would show the obvious contradiction between their stated views and their actual views. I think we both know that is the real reason. But we get the same reaction everywhere -- Even politicians in "sanctuary cities" have been collapsing in fits of apoplexy that governors are bussing migrants to their cities and are trying to pretend that this is some kind of human rights issue on par with the Holocaust.

Are politics involved here? Of course! That is true on both sides. Republican governors are using strategies to garner the most attention and Democrats are ignoring the issue and advocating for feel-good policies whose consequences they will never be affected by. If anything, maybe this whole debacle can serve as the impetus to fix this (admittedly a glass half-full perspective).

[Tommy W.]

How does anyone know this?

Are you saying Natives didn’t fight?

Natives had no technology. No steel, no beasts of burden, etc. They were no match for the then, modern world closing in.

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You say this when there is an Open Border policy at the Southern Border? Abbot and DeSantis did not ask for the uncontrolled flow of immigrants. Is it more humane to ship the immigrants elsewhere or to have them bake in South Texas or Arizona? Planes have a/c and food.

Because a/c and food are not the only things these folks need. If what the attorney representing them says is true, these folks had already been processed through a fast-tracked permit known as humanitarian parole and were staying in a private shelter.

The U.S. government doesn't provide a dime for asylum seekers not in detention, but they also can't work for at least 6 months. These folks were looking to work and it sounds like they agreed to go to Mass because someone said they'd get their work permits faster that way. Meanwhile, these folks have upcoming court dates and they will be ordered deported if they don't show.

So...the governor of Florida scooped them up out of Texas where their legal representation and courts reside and brought them to...Martha's Vineyard.

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Well, they want the border controlled so that we aren't getting flooded by uncontrolled masses of people. But let's be honest here. You and I both know this isn't about logistics. MV doesn't want poor migrants in their community because it would disrupt the upscale texture of life there. They don't want to admit that because it would show the obvious contradiction between their stated views and their actual views. I think we both know that is the real reason. But we get the same reaction everywhere -- Even politicians in "sanctuary cities" have been collapsing in fits of apoplexy that governors are bussing migrants to their cities and are trying to pretend that this is some kind of human rights issue on par with the Holocaust.

Are politics involved here? Of course! That is true on both sides. Republican governors are using strategies to garner the most attention and Democrats are ignoring the issue and advocating for feel-good policies whose consequences they will never be affected by. If anything, maybe this whole debacle can serve as the impetus to fix this (admittedly a glass half-full perspective).

I am not defending the residents of MV, although the rich democrats that DeSantis was targeting I doubt are even there this time of year. I do see one side who says these people are freaking out about migrants coming to their neighborhoods, and the other side is acting like they are being welcomed with open arms and being given aid and supplies... I assume that the truth is somewhere in between.

I am not really sure what we could expect the island to do with these migrants long term anyway. Martha's Vineyard has 11,000 permanent residents. It's a resort town. Sending people to live there is like sending people to live at Disney World. It's not really set up for these people to live there long-term. Although I doubt anything short of putting them up in Obama’s place would be acceptable to some.


As I said before I don’t really have an issue with dispersing immigration across the country. Although I do if there are no preparations, communication, organization, or good faith efforts to treat these people as humans. And if what has been presented by the attorneys is true this appears to be the case in my opinion.

[Tommy W.]

Going to MV was just to prove a point and nothing more. Everyone knows they couldn't stay there however it was the ultimate liberal enclave so where better to prove the hypocrisy. The Libs need to be called out on their endless BS and this was one way to do it where there could be no arguments about it.

[Karl_Hungus]

I am not defending the residents of MV, although the rich democrats that DeSantis was targeting I doubt are even there this time of year. I do see one side who says these people are freaking out about migrants coming to their neighborhoods, and the other side is acting like they are being welcomed with open arms and being given aid and supplies... I assume that the truth is somewhere in between.

True, it is mostly the politicians that are ramping up the histrionics.

I am not really sure what we could expect the island to do with these migrants long term anyway. Martha's Vineyard has 11,000 permanent residents. It's a resort town. Sending people to live there is like sending people to live at Disney World. It's not really set up for these people to live there long-term. Although I doubt anything short of putting them up in Obama’s place would be acceptable to some.

I think that is the point though. If a rich island with lots of empty hotel rooms and vacation houses can't figure out how to accommodate 50 people, how are border towns who are overrun by the thousands supposed to do it? They certainly don't have the infrastructure for it and when they complain, they are dismissed as racists. Ignoring the issue and using migrants to promote chaos so your political opponents can be cast as evil White supremacists is not exactly humane either. There is plenty of blame to go around.

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True, it is mostly the politicians that are ramping up the histrionics.




I think that is the point though. If a rich island with lots of empty hotel rooms and vacation houses can't figure out how to accommodate 50 people, how are border towns who are overrun by the thousands supposed to do it? They certainly don't have the infrastructure for it and when they complain, they are dismissed as racists. Ignoring the issue and using migrants to promote chaos so your political opponents can be cast as evil White supremacists is not exactly humane either. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Empty hotel rooms and AirBNB’s don’t come with food, medical supplies, and all the other things that would be needed. But unlike Martha’s Vineyard, these border towns do have facilities to match what their historical influx of immigration would predict. So one would assume border cities would scale appropriately. And if they needed help they would coordinate with other cities or seek funding from state and federal government agencies.

Immigrants were transported from Texas to Massachusetts. Both have the exact same percentage of immigrant population - 16%

Seems a bit off to say that 16% immigrant population is too much for Texas but okay for Massachusetts.

[Mark1T]

Because a/c and food are not the only things these folks need. If what the attorney representing them says is true, these folks had already been processed through a fast-tracked permit known as humanitarian parole and were staying in a private shelter.

The U.S. government doesn't provide a dime for asylum seekers not in detention, but they also can't work for at least 6 months. These folks were looking to work and it sounds like they agreed to go to Mass because someone said they'd get their work permits faster that way. Meanwhile, these folks have upcoming court dates and they will be ordered deported if they don't show.

So...the governor of Florida scooped them up out of Texas where their legal representation and courts reside and brought them to...Martha's Vineyard.

Oh, wait. No one said that these people only need a/c and food. You are conveniently skipping over the part that the federal government is failing at the border in the first place. So, please tell the Biden administration that these people need more than a/c and food at the border and provide it.

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Oh, wait. No one said that these people only need a/c and food. You are conveniently skipping over the part that the federal government is failing at the border in the first place. So, please tell the Biden administration that these people need more than a/c and food at the border and provide it.

Again Mark, in the comments you are responding to I am talking about the specific migrants that the Governor of Florida decided needed to be picked up in Texas and sent to a small resort island in Massachusetts. And how, in my opinion, it is not a good faith effort to spread the burden of immigration among the population or even highlight the issue, rather just a political stunt to gain favor with his base.

I am well aware of your strong dislike for President Biden and his policies. If it makes you feel a bit better I won’t be voting for him either.

ETA: And yes I agree the federal government is failing at the border. They’ve been doing so for over 30 years.

[Karl_Hungus]

Empty hotel rooms and AirBNB’s don’t come with food, medical supplies, and all the other things that would be needed. But unlike Martha’s Vineyard, these border towns do have facilities to match what their historical influx of immigration would predict. So one would assume border cities would scale appropriately. And if they needed help they would coordinate with other cities or seek funding from state and federal government agencies.

Immigrants were transported from Texas to Massachusetts. Both have the exact same percentage of immigrant population - 16%

Seems a bit off to say that 16% immigrant population is too much for Texas but okay for Massachusetts.

It's 50 people . There were more people than that at my neighbor's backyard BBQ last weekend. No matter how you spin it, you really can't make a convincing case that food and medical supplies for 50 people create a logistical nightmare, or presents a larger problem than thousands of migrants invading border towns....or numerous towns and facilities where migrants have been distributed by the Biden administration while they await their hearings. As far as Massachusetts vs Texas more generally, the total migrant population is a separate issue from what is currently happening at the border now.

[Tommy W.]

I am well aware of your strong dislike for President Biden and his policies. If it makes you feel a bit better I won’t be voting for him either.

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so who then. Trump or Biden.that’s what it’s looking like. My money is on Biden for you. You make way too many excuses for his incompetence to believe you’d vote Conservative.

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so who then. Trump or Biden.that’s what it’s looking like. My money is on Biden for you. You make way too many excuses for his incompetence to believe you’d vote Conservative.

Someone under 60 would be nice . The white house should not be a very expensive retirement home. But if choices are Biden and Trump I will vote for the Libertarian candidate no matter who it is. I am not aware of any nationally visible Democrats I could vote for. As far as Republicans, DeSantis, Cruz, Haley, Pence, Pompeii, Rubio would all be nos for me. LWW’s buddy Hogan would be a possibility but I haven’t seen too many other national level Republicans I would vote for. But a lot can change in two years.

[LWW]

I am not really sure what we could expect the island to do with these migrants long term anyway. Martha's Vineyard has 11,000 permanent residents. It's a resort town. Sending people to live there is like sending people to live at Disney World. It's not really set up for these people to live there long-term. Although I doubt anything short of putting them up in Obama’s place would be acceptable to some.

Bingo democrat run resort = no jobs.

MaraLaGo= paradise for job opportunity.

[Tommy W.]

Someone under 60 would be nice . The white house should not be a very expensive retirement home. But if choices are Biden and Trump I will vote for the Libertarian candidate no matter who it is. I am not aware of any nationally visible Democrats I could vote for. As far as Republicans, DeSantis, Cruz, Haley, Pence, Pompeii, Rubio would all be nos for me. LWW’s buddy Hogan would be a possibility but I haven’t seen too many other national level Republicans I would vote for. But a lot can change in two years.

I don’t see much change. So Biden or Trump for you? Any libertarian will be a losing proposition so may as not vote.

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I don’t see much change. So Biden or Trump for you? Any libertarian will be a losing proposition so may as not vote.

Neither. Where I vote a Republican is most likely going to win the presidential vote this election so any vote for someone other than Trump would be “wasted”. But if a third party receives 5% of the vote, they get a certain level of FEC funding and easier ballot access in local elections which have a lot more effect on my day to day life than whatever clown ends up in the White House.

[Mark1T]

The efforts to deflect from the open border policy, to give the illusion it is not the president's policy, is mind boggling.

[bustasinclair]

so who then. Trump or Biden.that’s what it’s looking like. My money is on Biden for you. You make way too many excuses for his incompetence to believe you’d vote Conservative.

It's absolutely astonishing that you feel these two bolded words are even remotely compatible....

And now that Trump has FULLY embraced the Q, there's no way in hell he will EVER get elected again. FACT.

[Tommy W.]

It's absolutely astonishing that you feel these two bolded words are even remotely compatible....

And now that Trump has FULLY embraced the Q, there's no way in hell he will EVER get elected again. FACT.

Oh that’s right, McConnell, Romney, etc, THOSE are the real conservatives.

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It's absolutely astonishing that you feel these two bolded words are even remotely compatible....

President Trump is definitely not the traditional "limited government" conservative but to be honest that is not politically popular enough to win elections anymore, especially when married to a kind of neoliberalism-lite as it was during the Bush years.

To the extent that Trump has any political ideas, they are: limit immigration, erect tariff barriers to trade (especially with China), and retrench abroad. All of those things are more politically popular than the opposite positions. And since the electorate, neither left nor right, seems to care about deficits, why should politicians?

Trump loves fighting the culture wars which eventually partially led to his defeat, but his political instincts on the non-culture stuff are basically correct. The best Republican candidate will adopt many of his positions, just couched in less inflammatory rhetoric.

[Tommy W.]

President Trump is definitely not the traditional "limited government" conservative but to be honest that is not politically popular enough to win elections anymore, especially when married to a kind of neoliberalism-lite as it was during the Bush years.

To the extent that Trump has any political ideas, they are: limit immigration, erect tariff barriers to trade (especially with China), and retrench abroad. All of those things are more politically popular than the opposite positions. And since the electorate, neither left nor right, seems to care about deficits, why should politicians?

Trump loves fighting the culture wars which eventually partially led to his defeat, but his political instincts on the non-culture stuff are basically correct. The best Republican candidate will adopt many of his positions, just couched in less inflammatory rhetoric.

correct. At this point we have DeSantis as the point man.

[Tommy W.]

Plane of illegals headed to Delaware, close to Biden's house.

[mtpockets]

Plane of illegals headed to Delaware, close to Biden's house.

I hope they get a warm welcome

[mtpockets]

The San Antonio sheriff is launching a criminal probe into DeSantis’s kidnapping operation:

“What infuriates me most in this case is that we have 48 people who are already on hard times, they are here legally…and I believe they were preyed upon.”

[LWW]

“What infuriates me most in this case is that we have 48 people who are already on hard times, they are here legally…and I believe they were preyed upon.”

There’s a sucker born every minute.

You should post that cool vid of the Louisiana sherif making threats to gang members called “Gremilins”.

That was awesome, it was Rogan recently.

Best vid you would ever post, if you do!

[LWW]

There’s a sucker born every minute.

You should post that cool vid of the Louisiana sherif making threats to gang members called “Gremilins”.

That was awesome, it was Rogan recently.

Best vid you would ever post, if you do!

In a true free society, we shouldn’t have to depend on a law official to threaten gangsters. The citizens should be allowed to on their own.

A Democrat will imprison a citizen for threatening a killer or say the citizen had it coming if gang member killed the citizen.

Btw, the republicans used to be the progressive party. Roosevelt.

[mtpockets]

There’s a sucker born every minute.

You should post that cool vid of the Louisiana sherif making threats to gang members called “Gremilins”.

That was awesome, it was Rogan recently.

Best vid you would ever post, if you do!

In a true free society, we shouldn’t have to depend on a law official to threaten gangsters. The citizens should be allowed to on their own.

A Democrat will imprison a citizen for threatening a killer or say the citizen had it coming if gang member killed the citizen.

Btw, the republicans used to be the progressive party. Roosevelt.

^^^ Some people say that talking to yourself is a sign that you have lost all your marbles Tater.

[Fishman15]

Lol, the Martha’s Vinyard thing was the best example of Dem hypocrisy yet. DeSantis knocked that one out of the park.

Talk about virtue signaling. Good grief...