TIL: Scotch-Irish Americans Are NOT Irish

[katya422]

Weird right? Like how does that even happen.

From my reading over the years I had the general impression that the Scotch-Irish were looked down on as "less than" in some way...not the right sort of people, associated with Appalachia and poverty.

The Scots-Irish are more associated with corn, coal and moonshine than green beer. They’re the offspring of Scots whom King James transplanted to northern Ireland at the same time he was colonizing Jamestown in Virginia and producing the King James Version of the Bible in the early 1600s.

There was a mass migration of Scots-Irish to America from 1717 to 1775, enough to claim 15 percent of the colonial population and stock General Washington’s army with hearty, feisty fighters who relished freedom and routed Redcoats in the Revolution. Not known for good manners or refined habits, they were ideal raw material for frontiersmen, pouring south into Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolinas and on into Georgia, Alabama, and the Florida panhandle.

A second wave of Scots-Irish crossed over the Alleghenies and headed westward through Pennsylvania, Maryland, West Virginia, and on into Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. Their offspring crossed the Mississippi into Iowa and went south through Missouri, the Ozarks of Arkansas and on into Texas. Davy Crockett and Sam Houston were Scots-Irish. The southern branch produced the first Scots-Irish American president, Andrew Jackson, while Ulysses S. Grant hailed from Ohio, adding to the stock of 10 (some say 12) American presidents of Scots-Irish descent.

Link:
https://www.macon.com/opinion/opn-co...138461943.html

I didn't know that Scots-Irish:

- were early Protestants
- made up a large portion of George Washington's army
- weren't Irish

Found mostly in the province of Ulster, and to a lesser extent in the rest of Ireland, their ancestors were Protestant, mainly Presbyterian, settlers who migrated from the Scottish Lowlands and Northern England during the Plantation of Ulster.

It is confusing as hell. Even on the wiki page that has this sentence there is a lead in that says:

Not to be confused with Scotch-Irish Americans or Irish Scottish people.

Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people

What do you see when you check the Scotch-Irish wiki page?

Scotch-Irish (or Scots-Irish) Americans are American descendants of Ulster Protestants who emigrated from Ulster in northern Ireland to America during the 18th and 19th centuries, whose ancestors had originally migrated to Ireland mainly from the Scottish Lowlands and Northern England in the 17th century.

Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_Americans




Scotch-Irish Americans genetic heritage is Scottish and English and they are also known as Ulster Scots.

Whatever you want to call them these anti-authority "screw the Pope and screw the King too" people are being erased.



Yeah, I have some Ulster Scots heritage- my mother's father. Her mother's heritage was Quaker [US arrival late 1600's]. Father's father English [US arrival pre 16th century] and father's mother Swiss [US arrival late 1800's].

I'm an American mutt.

[jtaylor2010]

Scots-Irish crew checking in. If you’re interested in the culture here’s a good breakdown on what they brought to America. Wall of text warning that I’ll start dropping in posts below.


https://www.artofmanliness.com/chara...merican-south/

[jtaylor2010]

Welcome back to our series on manly honor. Today we tackle Southern honor in the 19th century. Now, be prepared: this is and will be the longest post in the series by far. The complexity of traditional honor and its various cultural manifestations cannot possibly be underestimated, nor can the difficulty in distilling these complexities into an accessible, coherent narrative. We have done our best with that task so far, and here as well; however, understanding Southern honor requires a more in-depth exploration. We could have just sketched out the very basics, but truly grasping those basics necessitates an understanding of the framework which underlies them. Also, as we shall see, because the South’s culture of honor still influences that region today, it’s a good subject to become knowledgeable about if you want to understand the country. Plus, it’s just really interesting!

We didn’t set out to do it, but I’m proud of the fact that this series has turned into a resource unlike any other that is out there. I don’t imagine there’s a huge audience among blog readers for 7,000-word posts about Southern honor, but those who are interested in the subject will hopefully really dig it, and anyone who girds up his loins and reads the whole thing will be rewarded.

Southern Honor: An Introduction
In our last post about the history of honor, we took a look at how honor manifested itself in the American North around the time of the Civil War. Yet when most folks think about honor in the States, both then and now, what first comes to mind is invariably the South.

There’s a reason for that. While honor in the North evolved during the 19th century away from the ideals of primal honor and towards a private, personal quality synonymous with “integrity,” the South held onto the tenets of traditional honor for a much longer period of time.

Unlike the Northern code of honor, which emphasized emotional restraint, moral piety, and economic success, the Southern honor code in many ways paralleled the medieval honor code of Europe — combining the reflexive, violent honor of primitive man with the public virtue and chivalry of knights.

The code of honor for Southern men required having: 1) a reputation for honesty and integrity, 2) a reputation for martial courage and strength, 3) self-sufficiency and “mastery,” defined as patriarchal dominion over a household of dependents (wife/children/slaves), and 4) a willingness to use violence to defend any perceived slight to his reputation as a man of integrity, strength, and courage, as well as any threats to his independence and kin. Just as in medieval times, “might made right” in the American South. If a man could physically dominate or kill someone who accused him of dishonesty, that man maintained his reputation as a man of integrity (even if the accusations were in fact true).

Anthropologists and social psychologists believe this form of classical honor survived and thrived in the American South and died in the North because of cultural differences between their respective early settlers, as well as the North’s and South’s divergent economies.

[jtaylor2010]

Herding, the Scotch-Irish, and the South’s Culture of Honor


To understand why a more primal and violent culture of honor took root in the American South, it helps to understand the cultural background of its early settlers. While the northern United States was settled primarily by farmers from more established European countries like the Netherlands, Germany, and especially England (particularly from areas around London), the southern United States was settled primarily by herdsmen from the more rural and undomesticated parts of the British Isles. These two occupations — farming and herding — produced cultures with starkly different notions of honor.

Some researchers argue that herding societies tend to produce cultures of honor that emphasize courage, strength, and violence. Unlike crops, animal herds are much more vulnerable to theft. A herdsman could lose his entire fortune in one overnight raid. Consequently, martial valor and strength and the willingness to use violence to protect his herd became useful assets to an ancient herdsman. What’s more, a reputation for these martial attributes served as a deterrent to would-be thieves. It’s telling that many of history’s most ferocious warrior societies had pastoral economies. The ancient Hittites, the ancient Hebrews, and the ancient Celts are just a few examples of these warrior/herder societies.

As it happened, the Scotch-Irish settlers that poured into the Southern colonies from the late 17th century through the antebellum period were genetic and cultural descendants of the war-like and pastoral Celts. Hailing from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, and the English Uplands, these Scotch-Irish peoples made up perhaps half of the South’s population by 1860 (in contrast, three-quarters of New Englanders, up until the massive influx of Irish immigrants in the 1840s, were English in origin). As the Celtic-herdsmen theory goes (and it is not without its critics), their influence on Southern culture was even larger than their numbers. These rough and scrappy Scotch-Irish immigrants not only brought with them their ancestors’ penchant for herding, but also imported their love of whiskey, music, leisure, gambling, hunting, and…their warrior-bred, primal code of honor. Even as the South became an agricultural powerhouse, the vast majority of white Southerners – from big plantation owners to the landless — continued to raise hogs and livestock. Whether a man spent most his time working a farm or herding his animals, the pastoral culture of honor, with its emphasis on courage, strength, and violence — characterized by an aggressive stance towards the world and a wariness towards outsiders who might want to take what was his — remained (and as we will see later, continues even to this day).

Agrarian Economics
While the South’s ethno-cultural background may explain the origin of its primal and sometimes violent code of honor, it doesn’t explain why it remained so entrenched in Southern life for so long while contemporaneous Northerners were quick to adopt the more modern, private notion of honor. To answer that question we simply need to look to the divergent economies of the two regions.

While industrialization transformed the Northern landscape in the 19th century and sparked the rise of urbanization, the antebellum South remained largely agrarian and rural. This created two important effects in the region: economic opportunities were fewer in number and less diverse, and kinship ties remained very strong.

While for many, slavery is the first thing that comes to mind when they think of the Old South, only 25% of the white population owned slaves, and 73% of those who did held fewer than ten. In other words, three-quarters of the white population were nonslaveholders. While it is common to imagine there were only two white classes in the South — rich, slave-holding planters and poor whites — there was actually a middle-class majority of non-slaveholders (around 60-70%) who owned their own land. All told, about 75% of all white males in the South owned land. Another number were professionals and artisans, and the remaining percentage were “poor white trash” (yes, this derogatory term originated way back in the 19th century). Alternately referred to as “squatters,” “crackers,” “clay/dirt-eaters,” and “sand-hillers,” these poor whites eked out a subsistence living in isolated settlements nestled in the hills and mountains, planting perhaps a few crops and raising a few animals, but mainly getting by through hunting and fishing.

The richest planters might own thousands of acres and hundreds of slaves, while a yeoman farmer worked a hundred acres and held no slaves; 90-95% of all agricultural wealth in the South was in the hands of slaveholders by 1860. Despite this deep inequality, the culture of the South was quite different than the walled-off oligarchy of the Old World nobility. Whereas Europe’s landed aristocracy held a monopoly on power and claimed honor as exclusively their own, because of the accessibility of land in the South – even if men’s holdings vastly differed – a common bond between the two groups existed.

Yeoman farmers typically lived close to plantation owners, and the two groups frequently intermingled through both trade and kinship. While entering the upper echelon of Southern gentlemen depended partly on family lineage, there was a degree of social and economic mobility; non-landowners acquired land, non-slave owners acquired slaves, and non-planters married into planter families. Yet, most yeoman farmers sought not great wealth, but being a “good-liver” — attaining a simple, comfortable self-sufficiency surrounded by one’s family and enough land to pass onto one’s sons. Striving to get ahead was too much work; while industry was perhaps the sine qua non of honorable virtues both in Victorian England and the American North, Southerners valued leisure in their lives. In this they harkened back to their Celtic forbearers, who had employed the least labor-intensive method of herding — the open range system – and used the rest of their time for feasting, fighting, and merriment.

This satisfaction with self-sufficiency was rooted in both cultural ideals and practical considerations. While industrialization in the North had opened up a new stratum of diverse professions, options in the South outside of agriculture were far fewer; the only other honorable professions were law, medicine, clergy, and the military, but even then, many men hoped these positions would simply serve as stepping-stones towards becoming a planter. And while Northern men were celebrated for having the pluck and initiative to leave home in pursuit of personal goals, Southerners wished to stay close to hearth and home, and some saw such pecuniary striving as crass. Again, this viewpoint derived from both cultural and utilitarian considerations; the ability to move into professions and politics in the South relied less on the egalitarian boot-strapping that defined the North, and more on personal and familial connections.

[katya422]

In.

Welcome back to our series on manly honor. Today we tackle Southern honor in the 19th century. Now, be prepared: this is and will be the longest post in the series by far. The complexity of traditional honor and its various cultural manifestations cannot possibly be underestimated, nor can the difficulty in distilling these complexities into an accessible, coherent narrative. We have done our best with that task so far, and here as well; however, understanding Southern honor requires a more in-depth exploration. We could have just sketched out the very basics, but truly grasping those basics necessitates an understanding of the framework which underlies them. Also, as we shall see, because the South’s culture of honor still influences that region today, it’s a good subject to become knowledgeable about if you want to understand the country. Plus, it’s just really interesting!

We didn’t set out to do it, but I’m proud of the fact that this series has turned into a resource unlike any other that is out there. I don’t imagine there’s a huge audience among blog readers for 7,000-word posts about Southern honor, but those who are interested in the subject will hopefully really dig it, and anyone who girds up his loins and reads the whole thing will be rewarded.

Southern Honor: An Introduction
In our last post about the history of honor, we took a look at how honor manifested itself in the American North around the time of the Civil War. Yet when most folks think about honor in the States, both then and now, what first comes to mind is invariably the South.

There’s a reason for that. While honor in the North evolved during the 19th century away from the ideals of primal honor and towards a private, personal quality synonymous with “integrity,” the South held onto the tenets of traditional honor for a much longer period of time.

Unlike the Northern code of honor, which emphasized emotional restraint, moral piety, and economic success, the Southern honor code in many ways paralleled the medieval honor code of Europe — combining the reflexive, violent honor of primitive man with the public virtue and chivalry of knights.

The code of honor for Southern men required having: 1) a reputation for honesty and integrity, 2) a reputation for martial courage and strength, 3) self-sufficiency and “mastery,” defined as patriarchal dominion over a household of dependents (wife/children/slaves), and 4) a willingness to use violence to defend any perceived slight to his reputation as a man of integrity, strength, and courage, as well as any threats to his independence and kin. Just as in medieval times, “might made right” in the American South. If a man could physically dominate or kill someone who accused him of dishonesty, that man maintained his reputation as a man of integrity (even if the accusations were in fact true).

Anthropologists and social psychologists believe this form of classical honor survived and thrived in the American South and died in the North because of cultural differences between their respective early settlers, as well as the North’s and South’s divergent economies.

I've never tried to dig into family genealogy enough to verify it, but I remember an aunt or granny on my mother's side mentioning some sort of connection to the Hatfields and McCoys feud.

“Others” include people who know coal mining, country music, moonshine, car racing and who the Hatfields and McCoys were.

From the Quaker and English ancestors it seems like we made good wives...history of women married to known historical figures or into major political families. I'm fuzzy on where I saw it though or if I can put my hand to it easily.

[milfmanmilk]

As someone Scottish it causes so much pain reading "Scotch" when it's not referring to Whisky. It's Scots, Scottish or nothing. In Scotland you never hear the word Scotch outside of foreigners talking about Whisky.

Congrats on the Scottish ancestry, OP. Probably explains why you are so smart

[jtaylor2010]

Can’t post the rest of the article because I don’t feel like cleaning up the text enough to bypass this forum’s retarded data validation requirements that for some reason has a problem with specific commas or parenthesis while tec0m is allowed to constantly spam with garbage. But I highly recommend reading the entire article.

[katya422]

Herding, the Scotch-Irish, and the South’s Culture of Honor


The southern United States was settled primarily by herdsmen from the more rural and undomesticated parts of the British Isles. Some researchers argue that herding societies tend to produce cultures of honor that emphasize courage, strength, and violence.

Unlike crops, animal herds are much more vulnerable to theft. A herdsman could lose his entire fortune in one overnight raid. Consequently, martial valor and strength and the willingness to use violence to protect his herd became useful assets to an ancient herdsman. What’s more, a reputation for these martial attributes served as a deterrent to would-be thieves. It’s telling that many of history’s most ferocious warrior societies had pastoral economies. The ancient Hittites, the ancient Hebrews, and the ancient Celts are just a few examples of these warrior/herder societies.

Scotch-Irish peoples made up perhaps half of the South’s population by 1860. These rough and scrappy Scotch-Irish immigrants not only brought with them their ancestors’ penchant for herding, but also imported their love of whiskey, music, leisure, gambling, hunting, and…their warrior-bred, primal code of honor.

Whether a man spent most his time working a farm or herding his animals, the pastoral culture of honor, with its emphasis on courage, strength, and violence — characterized by an aggressive stance towards the world and a wariness towards outsiders who might want to take what was his — remained.

Agrarian Economics

While industrialization transformed the Northern landscape in the 19th century and sparked the rise of urbanization, the antebellum South remained largely agrarian and rural. This created two important effects in the region: economic opportunities were fewer in number and less diverse, and kinship ties remained very strong.

For many, slavery is the first thing that comes to mind when they think of the Old South, only 25% of the white population owned slaves, and 73% of those who did held fewer than ten. In other words, three-quarters of the white population were nonslaveholders.

While it is common to imagine there were only two white classes in the South — rich, slave-holding planters and poor whites — there was actually a middle-class majority of non-slaveholders (around 60-70%) who owned their own land. All told, about 75% of all white males in the South owned land. Another number were professionals and artisans, and the remaining percentage were “poor white trash” (yes, this derogatory term originated way back in the 19th century).

Despite deep inequality, the culture of the South was quite different than the walled-off oligarchy of the Old World nobility. Whereas Europe’s landed aristocracy held a monopoly on power and claimed honor as exclusively their own, because of the accessibility of land in the South – even if men’s holdings vastly differed – a common bond between the two groups existed.

Yeoman farmers typically lived close to plantation owners, and the two groups frequently intermingled through both trade and kinship. While entering the upper echelon of Southern gentlemen depended partly on family lineage, there was a degree of social and economic mobility; non-landowners acquired land, non-slave owners acquired slaves, and non-planters married into planter families. Yet, most yeoman farmers sought not great wealth, but being a “good-liver” — attaining a simple, comfortable self-sufficiency surrounded by one’s family and enough land to pass onto one’s sons.

Striving to get ahead was too much work; while industry was perhaps the sine qua non of honorable virtues both in Victorian England and the American North, Southerners valued leisure in their lives. In this they harkened back to their Celtic forbearers, who had employed the least labor-intensive method of herding — the open range system – and used the rest of their time for feasting, fighting, and merriment.

This satisfaction with self-sufficiency was rooted in both cultural ideals and practical considerations. While industrialization in the North had opened up a new stratum of diverse professions, options in the South outside of agriculture were far fewer; the only other honorable professions were law, medicine, clergy, and the military, but even then, many men hoped these positions would simply serve as stepping-stones towards becoming a planter.

While Northern men were celebrated for having the pluck and initiative to leave home in pursuit of personal goals, Southerners wished to stay close to hearth and home, and some saw such pecuniary striving as crass. Again, this viewpoint derived from both cultural and utilitarian considerations; the ability to move into professions and politics in the South relied less on the egalitarian boot-strapping that defined the North, and more on personal and familial connections.

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Katya's Reader's Digest version.

And I find this fascinating. My genetic tie to being a hunter-gatherer is through my mother [maternal haplogroup]. A lot of what I am reading here [less focus on wealth, more focus on family and work/leisure balance] are very much aligned with the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

[vatnik]

OK no racist, but why are wypipo so fuking obsessed with their heritage and chit? Like who the fuk cares? We're all descended from some cell.

[katya422]

As someone Scottish it causes so much pain reading "Scotch" when it's not referring to Whisky. It's Scots, Scottish or nothing. In Scotland you never hear the word Scotch outside of foreigners talking about Whisky.

Congrats on the Scottish ancestry, OP. Probably explains why you are so smart

Sorry bb. But the one time someone insisted on putting water in my whiskey I didn't like it if that helps any.

Can’t post the rest of the article because I don’t feel like cleaning up the text enough to bypass this forum’s retarded data validation requirements that for some reason has a problem with specific commas or parenthesis while tec0m is allowed to constantly spam with garbage. But I highly recommend reading the entire article.

It is absolutely maddening.

I found that the least work option is to use screenshots. Now, this has probably take up an inordinate amount of storage on this little chromebook I use and my imgur account has passed 30 pages, but it does work.

[Supaduck0]

I actually live in Ulster

Most of us these days are mixed with Irish and Scottish/English now, the ones that went to America are probably a lot more pure Scottish

[jtaylor2010]

^^^
Katya's Reader's Digest version.

And I find this fascinating. My genetic tie to being a hunter-gatherer is through my mother [maternal haplogroup]. A lot of what I am reading here [less focus on wealth, more focus on family and work/leisure balance] are very much aligned with the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

9th generation South Carolinian and my dad has been working on our genealogy since he was a teenager(actually has the land grant from the king of England given to my Greatx6 Grandfather). Can confirm there was a lot more focus on honor, self-sustainability, and leisure than in racing to the top. And the history of South Carolina is rich with the attitude and approach towards honor that is outlined in the article. I also think we held onto it longer than most. For one, we have seen much less influx from other parts of the country. And secondly, we’re still more rural than many places. For example there are 5 million people in our entire state whereas there are plenty of metro areas that have more than just in the city.



Edit to add - also found this interesting from the article.

For example, the code of honor of the upper middle class and the wealthy was tempered by gentility. Their aggressive stance to the world was refined and balanced by an emphasis on moral, dignified uprightness, clothes and manners, and education. The latter was typically devoted to classical literature from ancient Greece and Rome; The Illiad and The Odyssey were instruction manuals on living a life of honor, and Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations was considered second only to the Bible in importance.


If the watchwords for the Northerner gentleman were “coolness and detachment,” the watchwords for his Southern counterpart were “passion and affability.” While Southern men honored the Stoics for their apathy towards death and centered calmness in times of both crisis and fortune, they made more allowance for joviality in social situations than their more restrained Northern brethren. Even today, Southerners take pride in their region’s friendly and big-hearted ways.


But it was the ancient ritual of hospitality that held the most central role in a Southern man’s sociability and acted as a test of his honor. Wyatt-Brown defines hospitality as “the relationship of an individual and family to outsiders on home turf.” But it started with taking care of one’s own kin. Southerners contrasted their generous approach in aiding their relatives to that which they perceived as the impersonal and tightfisted way in which Northerners more frequently relied on public assistance – leaving the job to asylums, poorhouses, and charitable organizations.

And of course when it came to strangers and visitors, Southerners felt duty-bound to show hospitality to whomever showed up. An element of competition existed in Southern hospitality – households which pulled out more of the stops in entertaining won status in the eyes of the community.

While Southerners were a religious people – often Baptist or Methodist in their faith – the Second Great Awakening that swept the Northeast did not have as transforming an effect in Dixie. In the North, a revival in evangelical Christianity led to an emphasis on seeking moral perfection – both individually and as a community. This desire for purification sparked the creation of reformation groups, such as temperance societies, and led some gentlemen to believe that abstinence from things like alcohol and gambling were requirements of a man’s code of honor.

While such things fell out of favor with Northerners (and some Southerners as well) most Southern men continued to heartily believe that drinking and gambling (what one contemporary referred to as a “generous and manly vice”) were not incompatible with their faith or morality, and greatly contributed to maintaining a social, honorable culture. Their piety on Sundays with their families and the rowdy good fun they had with each other could be compartmentalized, like two different roles in their life. As has famously been said, “The South votes dry, and drinks wet.”

Southern men felt that vices like drinking and gambling didn’t make them less of a man, but more of one, because they, just like their Scotch-Irish ancestors, saw its role in building and managing the honor group. As we’ve discussed, in honor groups men challenge and test each other to earn status, and also to prepare each other to face a common enemy. In peace-time, men use games, sports, and drinking to accomplish this. Such diversions give men a chance to best their rivals without rocking the social boat. And through all this friendly competition, camaraderie is built and bonds between men are strengthened.

[milfmanmilk]

^^^
Katya's Reader's Digest version.

And I find this fascinating. My genetic tie to being a hunter-gatherer is through my mother [maternal haplogroup]. A lot of what I am reading here [less focus on wealth, more focus on family and work/leisure balance] are very much aligned with the hunter-gatherer lifestyle.

The Scots trace their lineage back to the Scythians as per the Declaration of Arbroath (Declaration of Independence). The Scythians were a nomadic people who covered a huge swath of Russia, they were known to laugh at the idea of money and used Gold purely to make art from and rejected it as some sort of value system.





I think this is where the hunter gatherer focus on family and less emphasis on money comes from ancestrally.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/QQIzzSfr3Yvm/

They are a huge part of the foundation of many European peoples and nations.

[katya422]

OK no racist, but why are wypipo so fuking obsessed with their heritage and chit? Like who the fuk cares? We're all descended from some cell.

Well if you haven't noticed by now I'm personally interested in all sorts of things. If you don't find humans interesting- anthropology, history, psychology, etc. that's fine. As far as I can tell based on my experience [virtual though it may be] I'm a human. I like to learn about nature too- humans > part of the natural world.

One of the topics that we have kicked around here is free will and how much of a person can be attributed to genetics, how much to environment, how much to a chain of causality, and if there is anything left after that which could be classified as "free", or aka: self-efficacy or individual control.

I watched a couple of whatifallthist videos about the different nations inside of the United States. It's really good. I mentioned maybe doing more bite-sized cliffs posts about his videos because he covers SO freaking much so quickly.





In the first video in the segment about The Foundry he talks about Quakers, that he has Quaker heritage, and some characteristics of Quaker which I found easy to identify with. 19:00 if you want to check it.

The Quakers were pacifists while the Scots-Irish were definitely not. But both were generally anti-authoritarian and pro-liberty.

From the Quaker ideals:

"Everyone has the right to do what they like as long as they are not bothering anyone else's freedom."

My direct ancestor. Srs.



So maybe the people we label as NPCs or sheeple are that way due in part to their own ancestry.

[Supaduck0]

It's funny how Americans think so much more about this sh!t than anybody on the entire island of Ireland or Europe in general

[yieldtonothing]

get a fuking job or go take care of your fuking kids. if you're not spreading paranoia, you're posting stupid chit like this.

complete garbage you are

[katya422]

9th generation South Carolinian and my dad has been working on our genealogy since he was a teenager(actually has the land grant from the king of England given to my Greatx6 Grandfather). Can confirm there was a lot more focus on honor, self-sustainability, and leisure than in racing to the top. And the history of South Carolina is rich with the attitude and approach towards honor that is outlined in the article. I also think we held onto it longer than most. For one, we have seen much less influx from other parts of the country. And secondly, we’re still more rural than many places. For example there are 5 million people in our entire state whereas there are plenty of metro areas that have more than just in the city.



Edit to add - also found this interesting from the article.

That is a much smaller population. My metro area has more people than that.

I really like the last paragraph that you shared about men having honor groups. That is a very old tribal sort of concept that seems to have been sadly lost in most places.

I think that the damage we are seeing from boys being raised by single moms might be lessened if there were still these masculine honor groups taking an interest in the boys and young men in a community; providing some guidance and setting expectations around what it means to be a man of honor.

[milfmanmilk]

Well if you haven't noticed by now I'm personally interested in all sorts of things. If you don't find humans interesting- anthropology, history, psychology, etc. that's fine. As far as I can tell based on my experience [virtual though it may be] I'm a human. I like to learn about nature too- humans > part of the natural world.

One of the topics that we have kicked around here is free will and how much of a person can be attributed to genetics, how much to environment, how much to a chain of causality, and if there is anything left after that which could be classified as "free", or aka: self-efficacy or individual control.

I watched a couple of whatifallthist videos about the different nations inside of the United States. It's really good. I mentioned maybe doing more bite-sized cliffs posts about his videos because he covers SO freaking much so quickly.





In the first video in the segment about The Foundry he talks about Quakers, that he has Quaker heritage, and some characteristics of Quaker which I found easy to identify with. 19:00 if you want to check it.

The Quakers were pacifists while the Scots-Irish were definitely not. But both were generally anti-authoritarian and pro-liberty.

From the Quaker ideals:

"Everyone has the right to do what they like as long as they are not bothering anyone else's freedom."

My direct ancestor. Srs.



So maybe the people we label as NPCs or sheeple are that way due in part to their own ancestry.

I suspect that the "93% junk DNA" we have actually contains, in some way, genetic traits and even memories that go way back through our lineages. I think this is what causes "reincarnation" memories from past lives that many claim to experience. I suspect that the gene therapy in the vaxx might even attack this in some way. Just conjecture though, either way ancestry is very important imo

It's funny how Americans think so much more about this sh!t than anybody on the entire island of Ireland or Europe in general

Not true, we're all obsessed too srs especially in this era of globalism

[katya422]

It's funny how Americans think so much more about this sh!t than anybody on the entire island of Ireland or Europe in general

Maybe due to more homogeneous countries?

get a fuking job or go take care of your fuking kids. if you're not spreading paranoia, you're posting stupid chit like this.

complete garbage you are

They say that weak men hate strong women.

Maybe you need a new hobby.

[katya422]

I suspect that the "93% junk DNA" we have actually contains, in some way, genetic traits and even memories that go way back through our lineages. I think this is what causes "reincarnation" memories from past lives that many claim to experience. I suspect that the gene therapy in the vaxx might even attack this in some way. Just conjecture though, either way ancestry is very important imo

I've wondered this same thing about genetic "tape" and reincarnation/past lives.

[milfmanmilk]

I've wondered this same thing about genetic "tape" and reincarnation/past lives.

Katya most based miscer confirmed

[Supaduck0]

Maybe due to more homogeneous countries?

I dunno, if being surrounded by too many blacks or asians makes you go on a soul searching quest back to the geneaology of the aul country, you might want to examine your views on race a little bit

[katya422]

I dunno, if being surrounded by too many blacks or asians makes you go on a soul searching quest back to the geneaology of the aul country, you might want to examine your views on race a little bit

It's not that serious. Today I happened to watch a prepper video by a lady who is Scots-Irish and is into genealogy. One thing lead to another...

I've looking into all sorts of things at one time or another.

[Supaduck0]

It's not that serious. Today I happened to watch a prepper video by a lady who is Scots-Irish and is into genealogy. One thing lead to another...

I've looking into all sorts of things at one time or another.

One thing led to another and you made love to her hehehe

[IlChosenOne]

Inb4 “Irish aren’t white”

As someone Scottish it causes so much pain reading "Scotch" when it's not referring to Whisky. It's Scots, Scottish or nothing. In Scotland you never hear the word Scotch outside of foreigners talking about Whisky.

Congrats on the Scottish ancestry, OP. Probably explains why you are so smart

Inb4 someone tries to pronounce “snooker”

[DeadlyStriker]

I'm half Swedish and half English/Scots/irish. Honestly not too sure exactly what it would be but that's what my aunt always said (she's obsessed with genealogy and has a whole family tree) I'm descending from the Hatfield and mccoys in some way. My dad was raised in WV and they have their huge family reunion there every year. Although, I was raised almost like a Swedish immigrant in terms of culture.

Funny how after a few generations things get so wishy washy in terms of genealogy and heritage/roots unless there is an effort to conserve it.

[katya422]

I'm half Swedish and half English/Scots/irish. Honestly not too sure exactly what it would be but that's what my aunt always said (she's obsessed with genealogy and has a whole family tree) I'm descending from the Hatfield and mccoys in some way. My dad was raised in WV and they have their huge family reunion there every year. Although, I was raised almost like a Swedish immigrant in terms of culture.

Funny how after a few generations things get so wishy washy in terms of genealogy and heritage/roots unless there is an effort to conserve it.

Likely related to how normal it has become to relocate alone vs. with your tribe/extended family. If your entire group changed location together then you would have enough elders to keep the tribes stories intact vs. younger people leaving their elders behind and going to live with a group of unrelated people.

Relates to the previous poster wondering why Americans put effort into learning about their genealogy- Americans are less likely to have that unbroken chain of verbal family history.

[DeadlyStriker]

Likely related to how normal it has become to relocate alone vs. with your tribe/extended family. If your entire group changed location together then you would have enough elders to keep the tribes stories intact vs. younger people leaving their elders behind and going to live with a group of unrelated people.

Relates to the previous poster wondering why Americans put effort into learning about their genealogy- Americans are less likely to have that unbroken chain of verbal family history.

Yea very good point. My Swedish side all came here together (great grandparents) so the culture with us is hugely intact. My dad's side, although we have a family book and my aunt has a lot of stuff, so much of it seems up in the air past my great grandparents.

Still very interesting insights into Scots-irish you posted that I had zero idea about.

[flexualneeds]

So what kind of mental illness does OP have again to induce this kind of random analytical reporting on a dying gay Indian bodybuilding forum?

[katya422]

So what kind of mental illness does OP have again to induce this kind of random analytical reporting on a dying gay Indian bodybuilding forum?

Dx: not dead yet

ETA: Miscers seem extra grumpy today. Related to the big drop in the markets?

My anemia is effecting me more than normal. It was already getting bad before I had blood work done about a month ago. Finally supposed to get my first iron infusion this coming Monday, then hopefully I'm more up to doing things I need to get done instead of parking on the couch.

It's a harmless TIL.

- no doom
- no covid
- no conspiracy

misc = mad for some reason