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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    2014 when two states of ethnic Russians were forced to stand militias to fight Azov from ethnic cleansing.

    Ukraine entrenched themselves in complex bunkers along the lpr/dpr and since then has fortified the area over the last 8 years. Ukraine has fired many rounds into the population ceters there as well. With weak leadership from the US, we ended up in this world changing suck.

    The consequences of liberals shortsidedness once again may have drastic impact on world order.

    Russia has framed its grinding artillery effort based on that complex network of military infrastructure as an aside.
    Revisionism

    The donbas is not an solely or even predominantly ethnic russian. Majority yes.

    Conflict in the donbas was initiated by the separatist ethnic russians and was spurred on and weaponized by the kremlin.


    Imo, biased opinion, the donbas should be allowed autonomy from ukraine if that is what the citizens there vote for but lets not make **** up for the fun of it.

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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    2014 when two states of ethnic Russians were forced to stand militias to fight Azov from ethnic cleansing.

    Ukraine entrenched themselves in complex bunkers along the lpr/dpr and since then has fortified the area over the last 8 years. Ukraine has fired many rounds into the population ceters there as well. With weak leadership from the US, we ended up in this world changing suck.

    The consequences of liberals shortsidedness once again may have drastic impact on world order.

    Russia has framed its grinding artillery effort based on that complex network of military infrastructure as an aside.
    Imagine supporting China sending militias to the US to support all the ethnic Chinese getting knocked out by astronauts in San Francisco.

    "China has a right to protect its people in the US!"
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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    Imagine supporting China sending militias to the US to support all the ethnic Chinese getting knocked out by astronauts in San Francisco.

    "China has a right to protect its people in the US!"
    A more analogous situation would be if China fomented a coup in Mexico, and then they started wiping out the white people who lived there and passed laws against speaking english, and then denied us access to the Caribbean Sea, which is important for our trade and security. And then if China said they fully intend to integrate this new Mexican government into a military allaince with them. You'd expect a military response by the United States. It wouldn't even be questioned. The US, as a great power, has every reason to consider threats on its borders and threats to its national security and vital economic interests. It would be expected to respond, and to not respond would be executive malfeasance. Putin's hands were tied. Let's even go further and say that instead of this being Mexico, it would be Texas somehow if the US fragmented. So, there is also a cultural marriage and long history of unification too. Now, you can see the issue.

    We're fuking Russia's girl, and they aren't having it.
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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    Revisionism

    The donbas is not an solely or even predominantly ethnic russian. Majority yes.

    Conflict in the donbas was initiated by the separatist ethnic russians and was spurred on and weaponized by the kremlin.


    Imo, biased opinion, the donbas should be allowed autonomy from ukraine if that is what the citizens there vote for but lets not make **** up for the fun of it.
    It's not revisionism. NATO and Russia both served the area as a proxy skirmish for nearly a decade.

    The root of the matter is in fact persecution of those citizens of Ukraine. There was simply too much Russian influence to not interfere with the way that the west wanted Ukraine to go. Western Ukraine took it upon themselves to initiate the culture change.

    Your biased opinion was part of the initial negotiations denied by the West. Without a doubt the LPR/DPR/Crimea could have been just that easy to resolve the entire conflict without a single drop of bloodshed. Very reasonable.

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    Originally Posted by jackamo2887 View Post
    Imagine supporting China sending militias to the US to support all the ethnic Chinese getting knocked out by astronauts in San Francisco.

    "China has a right to protect its people in the US!"
    Metaphors are bad as they are are even more so when you cannot even grasp simple concepts.

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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    Revisionism

    The donbas is not an solely or even predominantly ethnic russian. Majority yes.

    Conflict in the donbas was initiated by the separatist ethnic russians and was spurred on and weaponized by the kremlin.


    Imo, biased opinion, the donbas should be allowed autonomy from ukraine if that is what the citizens there vote for but lets not make **** up for the fun of it.
    You know that the separatists just wanted to leave right? It was neonazi militias that fought them. And they wanted to leave because they saw crazy racist people coming to power in Ukraine and feared the russophobic laws that soon were passed. They didn't want to be marginalized, and the country was already very divided politically.

    The citizens did vote for it. They wanted autonomy. They weren't allowed it. And Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia.

    As much as people like to make Russians the bad guys, the real bad guys in this situation are the neonazis that sought to build a Ukrainian ethnostate and erase and marginalize the Russian Ukrainians living there. One can make the argument that they were historically oppressed by the Russians, and this is some kind of overreaction. Sure, but it doesn't excuse what they did. Ukraine has an identity crisis and is overcompensating just like Israel did. And it's as unjust what they are doing as it was what Israel did to Palestinians.

    You can say sure, but why did Putin have to go to war? Well, he really had no choice. He waited 8 years and tried for peace 29 times. He saw an opportunity and took it, realizing that if he had waited longer, Ukraine would have become stronger and more heavily armed by the US and emboldened to retake Crimea and the Donbass. He made the call. Leadership is hard, and you don't always have clean options. Zelensky was presented with a clean option and refused. So now we have war.

    The revanchist Hitlerized version of Putin in our media would have gone to war and decimated the Ukrainian government in 2014. That war would have been like 3 days long. He waited for peace. Because he isn't Hitler. Putin tried, and he is the most misunderstood leader on Earth, and it's deliberate by our leaders and press.

    Russia will illustrate two things to this world with this war:

    1) Great powers (especially nuclear powers) are not to be fuked with.
    2) The US's superpower influence still has its limits and must respect the interests of great powers.

    And you could make the argument that none of this matters because it is more important to spread democracy and freedom. That is the position of Washington. They argue it is better to try to wipe out a tyrant than to try to have peace in the region. They view this as Ukraine's blood sacrifice for liberty, and that somehow everything will sort itself out, and eventually Ukraine will be a happy democracy. Except that isn't what will happen. This is brought to us by the same people that brought us 30 years of failed interventions and nation building. Ukraine will emerge from this more militarized and nationalistic than ever. And Zelensky will probably be ousted from power as soon as the dust settles. Whether they win or lose in Ukraine (which btw, if Putin is serious about this, it is impossible for Ukraine to win unless they rush nukes), we are going to see a really nasty version of Ukraine emerge that probably the US never intended. And this will have a ripple effect down the road.

    Just like how Islamism spread, you can expect nazism to spread. Don't be surprised if we have to go back to Ukraine one day, and not as friends.

    John Bolton prides himself in plotting coups, but he's built a grand total of zero successful nations. The kinds of people that carry out coups are generally not the types that lead free and just societies. It can happen sometimes, but it usually doesn't work that way. We should be more selective about who we get in bed with. Personally, I find it appalling that we would get in bed with radical Islamists of the same group that attacked us on 9/11 in Syria and literal nazis in Ukraine, but that's how we roll, and that's the ruthlessness that it takes to carry out revolution. I don't think that price is worth it.
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    Originally Posted by memcop View Post
    It's not revisionism. NATO and Russia both served the area as a proxy skirmish for nearly a decade.

    The root of the matter is in fact persecution of those citizens of Ukraine. There was simply too much Russian influence to not interfere with the way that the west wanted Ukraine to go. Western Ukraine took it upon themselves to initiate the culture change.

    Your biased opinion was part of the initial negotiations denied by the West. Without a doubt the LPR/DPR/Crimea could have been just that easy to resolve the entire conflict without a single drop of bloodshed. Very reasonable.
    Ive heard the cia black ops ukraine operations theory many times. Unsubstantiated and largely makes no logical sense when you look below the surface of the claims.

    As far as donbas negotiations, it is very clear that russia was not and is not content with just donbas autonomy. Not sure how or why you think that. Initially the plan was to topple the central govt by way of kyiv, when that didnt work the new plan (current) is to claim territory from the moldovan border all the way east to kharkiv.

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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    Ive heard the cia black ops ukraine operations theory many times. Unsubstantiated and largely makes no logical sense when you look below the surface of the claims.

    As far as donbas negotiations, it is very clear that russia was not and is not content with just donbas autonomy. Not sure how or why you think that. Initially the plan was to topple the central govt by way of kyiv, when that didnt work the new plan (current) is to claim territory from the moldovan border all the way east to kharkiv.
    What about Nuland's phone call? What about our senators visiting the rebels prior to the coup? They wanted to topple Kiev because they are passing unjust Russophobic laws and because they repeatedly refused to implement an agreement they made in Minsk to stop the war. All that territory is majority Russian anyway, btw. The CIA influence there is not unfounded. Look at the NED spending on Ukraine. We helped oust Yanukovych, and what came next sucked for everyone.



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    Originally Posted by fistnazis4fun View Post
    What about Nuland's phone call? What about our senators visiting the rebels prior to the coup? They wanted to topple Kiev because they are passing unjust Russophobic laws and because they repeatedly refused to implement an agreement they made in Minsk to stop the war. All that territory is majority Russian anyway, btw. The CIA influence there is not unfounded. Look at the NED spending on Ukraine. We helped oust Yanukovych, and what came next sucked for everyone.



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    It's already over 85% filled without anything coming through NS1. There's rumors Germany will soon announce end of import for russian gas by the beginning of December.

    Kherson referendum by the russian installed puppets can not be held as planned and has to be paused due to the ongoing combat operations

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    Kirill Stremousov, deputy head of the Russian-appointed military-civilian regional administration, also said the vital Antonivskyi road bridge, which crosses the Dnipro river near Kherson city, was impassable to cars after weeks of Ukrainian shelling.
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    Originally Posted by fistnazis4fun View Post
    What about Nuland's phone call? What about our senators visiting the rebels prior to the coup? They wanted to topple Kiev because they are passing unjust Russophobic laws and because they repeatedly refused to implement an agreement they made in Minsk to stop the war. All that territory is majority Russian anyway, btw. The CIA influence there is not unfounded. Look at the NED spending on Ukraine. We helped oust Yanukovych, and what came next sucked for everyone.



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    ya bro youve figured it all out. you and the other online intelligence specialists have figured it all out. what else are you working on? any updates on the 911 moon landings?

    lets assume what youre saying is correct, the US political affairs office replaced ukrainian leadership in 2014. did they do it again in 2019 when zelenskys party came in? zelenskys party which btw was running against the guy who the US supposedly put in office?

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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    ya bro youve figured it all out. you and the other online intelligence specialists have figured it all out. what else are you working on? any updates on the 911 moon landings?

    lets assume what youre saying is correct, the US political affairs office replaced ukrainian leadership in 2014. did they do it again in 2019 when zelenskys party came in? zelenskys party which btw was running against the guy who the US supposedly put in office?
    Zelensky ran on a platform of peace. Once he won, he was politely informed by the nationalists that if he ever conceded any territory to Russia, they would murder him.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...ngagement.html

    "“Mr. President thinks he is immortal,” she said in a video shared on Facebook. “A grenade may explode there, by chance. And it would be the nicest if this happened during Moscow’s shelling when someone comes to the front line wearing a white or blue shirt.”"

    https://twitter.com/denisrogatyuk/st...039874?lang=en



    The above was from 2019. Watch from around 1:00 to like 5:00. Actually watch the whole thing. It's clairvoyant and explains a LOT of context here.

    Zelensky was facing pressure from his own nationalists in his country not to implement Minsk, and from us as well.

    Anyone who pays attention can figure this out dude. It's all history. The media can't spin away what happened. Look into it, and you'll realize how fuked this all is.
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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    Ive heard the cia black ops ukraine operations theory many times. Unsubstantiated and largely makes no logical sense when you look below the surface of the claims.

    As far as donbas negotiations, it is very clear that russia was not and is not content with just donbas autonomy. Not sure how or why you think that. Initially the plan was to topple the central govt by way of kyiv, when that didnt work the new plan (current) is to claim territory from the moldovan border all the way east to kharkiv.
    I'm not sure about the black ops comment. We provided aid, non-military, military non-lethal, and lethal to the effort along the Donbas very publicly over the years while Russia did the same on the other side of the line.

    It doesn't matter what either of us believe. Recent reports frame precisely what you envisioned. Russia removed themselves from the area of the capital (which I contend they did not intend on attacking to begin with) during the negotiations. The west intervened and stopped precisely what you would have been content with, as many would have been.

    Russia has fired 10s of thousands of precision rounds, tens of millions of artillery rounds, and hundreds of thousands of guided and non guided MLRS. Without acknowledging this as a fact it begs another truth, if Russia wanted or wants to decapitate Kyiv they could have and can.

    1. Demonizing Russia and calling this conflict baseless removes all rationale beyond the conflict itself. It removes all efforts ahead of the conflict by Russia to resolve it.

    2. Refusal to acknowledge Russian military power leads to the Refusal to recognize their restraint.

    3. Refusal to recognize their restraint leads to the Refusal to acknowledge that Russia is keeping their threat within scope and to the objectives in which they set.

    4. Refusal to acknowledge their restraint while they stay on task and limited to the specific goals leads some to believe they may be weak and more weapons and money should be sent. These parties know this and are attempting to provoke an escalation at the expense of Ukrainians.

    5. Refusal to acknowledge where this can lead to is so dangerous it may rip apart the very fabric of world peace, economics, and what's worse nuclear annihilation.

    You're probably watching the downfall of the west.

    Believe it or not you and I intersect on the precise points that matter that would keep the west on top. However your are completely void of what is happening militarily there and that starts at the root of military power to begin with.

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    Originally Posted by fistnazis4fun View Post
    Zelensky ran on a platform of peace. Once he won, he was politely informed by the nationalists that if he ever conceded any territory to Russia, they would murder him.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...ngagement.html

    "“Mr. President thinks he is immortal,” she said in a video shared on Facebook. “A grenade may explode there, by chance. And it would be the nicest if this happened during Moscow’s shelling when someone comes to the front line wearing a white or blue shirt.”"

    https://twitter.com/denisrogatyuk/st...039874?lang=en



    The above was from 2019.

    Zelensky was facing pressure from his own nationalists in his country not to implement Minsk, and from us as well.

    zelensky ran on a campaign of peace? what? unaware.

    zelensky won because people were dissatisfied with porochenko. they wanted faster progress into nato/eu after what happened in 2014. the whole reason why the maidan happened was because ukrainians were upset that yanukovych had chosen to form ties with russia isntead of the west.

    ukraine wants to join the EU, that is what it has always wanted.


    so again, if the US/EU/UK put porochenko in place after inciting large scale violent protest... why did they allow him to be replaced in 2019? did they also put zelensky in office as a western shill? and the evidence for all of this is the nuland phone call talking about backing the mayor of kyiv and some retard senators having an awkward conversation in ukraine?


    you guys need to go outside more often.

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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    zelensky ran on a campaign of peace? what? unaware.

    zelensky won because people were dissatisfied with porochenko. they wanted faster progress into nato/eu after what happened in 2014. the whole reason why the maidan happened was because ukrainians were upset that yanukovych had chosen to form ties with russia isntead of the west.

    ukraine wants to join the EU, that is what it has always wanted.


    so again, if the US/EU/UK put porochenko in place after inciting large scale violent protest... why did they allow him to be replaced in 2019? did they also put zelensky in office as a western shill? and the evidence for all of this is the nuland phone call talking about backing the mayor of kyiv and some retard senators having an awkward conversation in ukraine?


    you guys need to go outside more often.
    Yes. He did run for peace. Notice he had overwhelming support even in the Donbass region. Ukraine would never have been allowed to join the EU, and Yanukovych was faced with an ultimatum of waiting around to join the EU or being allowed to join the Eurasian trade union. He chose the latter.

    Poroshenko was not the US's first choice. Neither Poroshenko nor Zelensky are "western shills". They aren't fully under American control. But they are constrained by what we allow them to do.

    Look man, if you don't believe me, here is one of the architects of PNAC outright telling us the US's strategy here.



    OK. Do you realize what we are dealing with here?

    Lloyd Austin has said the same thing. Senator Graham openly called for the overthrow of Putin. Do you get it now? This entire thing was a trap.

    You need to understand that in international affairs, there are many factions, many sides, each with their own agendas. The US foreign policy establishment has an agenda here too, and it isn't the well being of Ukraine or our allies. It's the destruction of Russia as a great power.

    If you still don't believe me, I can find you multiple influential political science theorists who inform our policy establishment who have openly called for turning Russia into a nation state. Understand what that means. Russia is a giant federation of like 86 nations. Do you see the endgame here? We have many companies that would love to loot Russia and see their people crippled and impoverished, exploited for cheap labor as we push NATO further east to threaten China. That will be one great power and threat to the US off the list.

    If you still trust the foreign policy establishment of the United States, I would encourage you to listen to the supreme commander of the allied forces of Europe and what he has to say about it...

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    Originally Posted by fistnazis4fun View Post
    Yes. He did run for peace. Notice he had overwhelming support even in the Donbass region. Ukraine would never have been allowed to join the EU, and Yanukovych was faced with an ultimatum of waiting around to join the EU or being allowed to join the Eurasian trade union. He chose the latter.

    Poroshenko was not the US's first choice. Neither Poroshenko nor Zelensky are "western shills".

    Look man, if you don't believe me, here is one of the architects of PNAC outright telling us the US's strategy here.



    OK. Do you realize what we are dealing with here?

    Lloyd Austin has said the same thing. Senator Graham openly called for the overthrow of Putin. Do you get it now? This entire thing was a trap.

    Except that zelensky didnt have overwhelming support in the donbas. His party lost in the donbas by a huge margin….

    And the reasons why yanukovych chose ties with russia instead of europe is irrelevant, im just telling you why ukrainians were up in arms in 2014. Its wasnt an CIA operation, they just didnt support their country turning its back to the EU.



    What are you trying to claim with that video? The guy is talking about the situation now, not before the war. Obviously now the US strategy is to weaken russia as much as possible so it cant do this again.

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    Originally Posted by exxtracool View Post
    Except that zelensky didnt have overwhelming support in the donbas. His party lost in the donbas by a huge margin….

    And the reasons why yanukovych chose ties with russia instead of europe is irrelevant, im just telling you why ukrainians were up in arms in 2014. Its wasnt an CIA operation, they just didnt support their country turning its back to the EU.



    What are you trying to claim with that video? The guy is talking about the situation now, not before the war. Obviously now the US strategy is to weaken russia as much as possible so it cant do this again.
    Below is the election result for 2019.


    The CIA was involved in Maidan. It was an organic movement that was further fomented and inflamed by the United States. The National Endowment for Democracy is literally the CIA.

    OK look at the other video I linked illustrating how PNAC works. Look up Eliot Cohen, and understand what his plans are.



    You need to understand these people. They are really gung ho about freedom and about American companies taking over everything. They want to erase any and all opposition to American hegemony.

    You may wonder why I, as an American, would oppose this. The reason is simple. These people are fuking idiots and they have failed us for 3 decades now. The men who ended the cold war were wise. They had wise policies and prioritized peace. These noobs are going to provoke conflict and get us all killed. Go look at what Jack Matlock has to say about all this.

    I believe in liberalism (in the IR sense). Deeply. I believe that we can eventually have a free world with global institutions to keep the peace, resolve disputes, promtoe human rights, and facilitate trade. But it will not come with war. We must carry ourselves with dignity and win the ideological argument conclusively by setting an example. The cold war was ended not with bombs or bullets but by the success of our market economy. We cannot continue acting this way. We are jeopardizing the future of our entire species. We have been walking back every single bit of progress made to end the cold war and bridge the gap between the US and Russia. We cannot stop now after we got so far. We cannot throw it all away.

    I believe in the Russian people. I believe in Russia. I want them to thrive and live decent lives. I do not want them to ever repeat the suffering they faced during the collapse of the USSR. They deserve better than this. They gave everything in WW2 to defeat the nazis, and they suffered for decades under tyranny. We cannot betray them like this. It's just plain fuking wrong. I'm sorry but it's wrong. We need to be working together to solve global problems facing our species, and we are running out of time.
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    It is getting harder and harder to find the information on the CIA/US/UK/NATO involvement in 2014 color revolution in Ukraine. The information on the 2004 manufactured coup is all but completely gone. Soros and Open Society agitation is almost completely gone too for their provocation and agitation since 1990. I have posted the 2005 financials of one of the Open Society groups and their official money spent in Ukraine previously and that is one of the few documents left (if it even out there still).

    Below are some articles/videos about 2014 and they all have links within them. Many are dead links now as the white-washing of the activities of the American intelligence apparatus and Soros/Open Society is being memory-holed.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hOl8TuBUM

    "Nov 2013 (pre-Maidan): Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine."


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsdMwi1XQEo&t=2s

    "The CIA and the National Endowment for Democracy"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPVs5VuI8XI&t=18s

    "Victoria Nuland US has invested $5 billion in Ukraine"


    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...assador-pyatt/

    "Leaked Memo Proves Soros Ruled Ukraine In 2014: Minutes From 'Breakfast With US Ambassador Pyatt'"



    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/0...up-in-ukraine/

    "How and why the U.S. Government Perpetrated the 2014 Coup in Ukraine"



    https://www.transcend.org/tms/2014/1...up-in-history/

    "Head of Stratfor, the ‘Private CIA’, Says Overthrow of Ukraine’s Yanukovych Was ‘The Most Blatant Coup in History’"



    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nato-expansion

    "In Ukraine, fascists, oligarchs and western expansion are at the heart of the crisis"


    https://williamblum.org/chapters/rog...-for-democracy

    "Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy"


    https://covertactionmagazine.com/202...ts-in-ukraine/

    "National Endowment for Democracy Deletes Records of Funding Projects in Ukraine"


    https://www.abc.net.au/science/artic...17/2007598.htm

    "CIA, FBI computers used to edit Wikipedia"


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    It is getting harder and harder to find the information on the CIA/US/UK/NATO involvement in 2014 color revolution in Ukraine. The information on the 2004 manufactured coup is all but completely gone. Soros and Open Society agitation is almost completely gone too for their provocation and agitation since 1990. I have posted the 2005 financials of one of the Open Society groups and their official money spent in Ukraine previously and that is one of the few documents left (if it even out there still).

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    Check out the dates of the articles and the links in them and when the video clips are from.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hOl8TuBUM

    "Nov 2013 (pre-Maidan): Ukraine Deputy has proof of USA staging civil war in Ukraine."


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsdMwi1XQEo&t=2s

    "The CIA and the National Endowment for Democracy"


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPVs5VuI8XI&t=18s

    "Victoria Nuland US has invested $5 billion in Ukraine"


    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...assador-pyatt/

    "Leaked Memo Proves Soros Ruled Ukraine In 2014: Minutes From 'Breakfast With US Ambassador Pyatt'"



    https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/0...up-in-ukraine/

    "How and why the U.S. Government Perpetrated the 2014 Coup in Ukraine"



    https://www.transcend.org/tms/2014/1...up-in-history/

    "Head of Stratfor, the ‘Private CIA’, Says Overthrow of Ukraine’s Yanukovych Was ‘The Most Blatant Coup in History’"



    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...nato-expansion

    "In Ukraine, fascists, oligarchs and western expansion are at the heart of the crisis"


    https://williamblum.org/chapters/rog...-for-democracy

    "Trojan Horse: The National Endowment for Democracy"


    https://covertactionmagazine.com/202...ts-in-ukraine/

    "National Endowment for Democracy Deletes Records of Funding Projects in Ukraine"


    https://www.abc.net.au/science/artic...17/2007598.htm

    "CIA, FBI computers used to edit Wikipedia"


    https://sociologiacritica.es/2017/04...onathan-mowat/

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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    That might last two whole months after russia cuts you off
    Damn I guess you know it better than some energy experts, mirin.

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    DDSF1 is a Russian shill, but yea we def did play a role.

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    DDSF1 is a Russian shill, but yea we def did play a role.
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    Damn I guess you know it better than some energy experts, mirin.
    The estimate is 2.5 months of energy while at 85% reserves.

    Feel free to research it. Do you dispute the timeline?

    This is germany of course. Some other EU less, some more.

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    Damn I guess you know it better than some energy experts, mirin.
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    "The CIA and the National Endowment for Democracy"
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    The estimate is 2.5 months of energy while at 85% reserves.

    Feel free to research it. Do you dispute the timeline?

    This is germany of course. Some other EU less, some more.
    Germany is still getting some cheap gas on old Dutch contracts. Meanwhile the Dutch government doesn't wanna supply our own households with cheap gas.

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    I do have an interest in learning more about the nuanced cultural events and forces that led the ukraine into this position, but I gave up on finding reliable info at the onset of the war. There's so much propaganda I can only assume the worst from both sides.

    No doubt Ukraine is a western puppet, and no doubt Russia is mad that Ukraine is not their puppet.
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