Jon Stewart Criticizes Senators Who Voted Against Toxic Burn Pit Bill

[Mark1T]

I'm a CPA and now own my own CPA Firm. The agents they are hiring is VERY much needed! For over two years now, we have been virtually unable to get any resolution to our clients' tax issues/problems due to low numbers of agents. We have approximately 75 clients with IRS resolution issues and some of them date as far back as 2016. Most days you cannot even get through their phone lines and the days you do, you will wait on hold for two or three hours or more.

Does this also mean more audits? Maybe, but with all of the new programs, i.e. PPP loans, EIDL loans, Employee Retention Credits, etc., more agents are needed. If you do get audited, it's usually due to crossing the line. Simple solution, don't cheat on your taxes. I'm representing a few clients under audit right now and it's a mixed bag. I have one dental client who is being massacred due to questionable bookkeeping and lack of receipts and one construction client who kept his receipts and is actually looking at a clean audit. It's pretty simple really.

You guys are only listening to a particular news network and parroting their talking points IMO.

I appreciate your experienced input as always. My comment was my opinion. I am sure more IRS agents are needed, but 87,000 seems excessive.

Isn't the IRS call center separate from actual agents that are in the field?

[Kraken]

I appreciate your experienced input as always. My comment was my opinion. I am sure more IRS agents are needed, but 87,000 armed agents seems excessive.

Isn't the IRS call center separate from actual agents that are in the field?

Corrected.

[bustasinclair]

I appreciate your experienced input as always. My comment was my opinion. I am sure more IRS agents are needed, but 87,000 seems excessive.

Isn't the IRS call center separate from actual agents that are in the field?

Agents are an all inclusive bunch of employees who handle audits as well as work in call centers. My guess is that you start in the call center and advance to the field after gaining experience.

Corrected.

No, there is no such thing as an armed agent; those are revenue officers. Agents perform audits and tax resolution whereas officers collect past due assessments. You really need to turn the channel, imo.

[Kraken]

No, there is no such thing as an armed agent; those are revenue officers. Agents perform audits and tax resolution whereas officers collect past due assessments. You really need to turn the channel, imo.

Nope. Agents. The documents were leaked that stated the agents must be willing to be armed and use deadly force.

[Kraken]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-deadly-force/

[x-trainer ben]

I'm a CPA and now own my own CPA Firm. The agents they are hiring is VERY much needed! For over two years now, we have been virtually unable to get any resolution to our clients' tax issues/problems due to low numbers of agents. We have approximately 75 clients with IRS resolution issues and some of them date as far back as 2016. Most days you cannot even get through their phone lines and the days you do, you will wait on hold for two or three hours or more.

Does this also mean more audits? Maybe, but with all of the new programs, i.e. PPP loans, EIDL loans, Employee Retention Credits, etc., more agents are needed. If you do get audited, it's usually due to crossing the line. Simple solution, don't cheat on your taxes. I'm representing a few clients under audit right now and it's a mixed bag. I have one dental client who is being massacred due to questionable bookkeeping and lack of receipts and one construction client who kept his receipts and is actually looking at a clean audit. It's pretty simple really.

You guys are only listening to a particular news network and parroting their talking points IMO.

You know.... that was a very fair and balanced assessment of the situation firsthand, thanks.
6 years back is a long time .....

Here is a question for the conspiracy theorists, are all 87,000 irs positions for this job description or is it a mixed list?

***IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent***

[GrouchyUSMC]

I'm a CPA and now own my own CPA Firm. The agents they are hiring is VERY much needed! For over two years now, we have been virtually unable to get any resolution to our clients' tax issues/problems due to low numbers of agents. We have approximately 75 clients with IRS resolution issues and some of them date as far back as 2016. Most days you cannot even get through their phone lines and the days you do, you will wait on hold for two or three hours or more.

Does this also mean more audits? Maybe, but with all of the new programs, i.e. PPP loans, EIDL loans, Employee Retention Credits, etc., more agents are needed. If you do get audited, it's usually due to crossing the line. Simple solution, don't cheat on your taxes. I'm representing a few clients under audit right now and it's a mixed bag. I have one dental client who is being massacred due to questionable bookkeeping and lack of receipts and one construction client who kept his receipts and is actually looking at a clean audit. It's pretty simple really.

You guys are only listening to a particular news network and parroting their talking points IMO.

Funny how you automatically assume anyone who doesn't love the idea of more government overreach watches a particular news network. Just for your own information, I follow only very specific news sources and only one is about the US.

Every government agency is low. My city's police force is only about 80% strength. The Border Patrol has 1 agent for every 3 miles of border - adding 80,000 of them would be a far bigger investment.

[GrouchyUSMC]

Agents are an all inclusive bunch of employees who handle audits as well as work in call centers. My guess is that you start in the call center and advance to the field after gaining experience.

No, there is no such thing as an armed agent; those are revenue officers. Agents perform audits and tax resolution whereas officers collect past due assessments. You really need to turn the channel, imo.

https://www.jobs.irs.gov/resources/j...-special-agent

IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent

Key Requirements
Be a U.S. citizen
Be 21 years of age by the time that you complete the training academy and no older than 37 years of age at time of appointment.
Qualify based on education, specialized experience, or a combination of the two.
Possess a valid driver’s license.
Pass a background and criminal history record check.
Pass a pre-employment medical exam.
Pass a pre-employment drug test.
Pass a pre-employment tax examination.
Be legally allowed to carry a firearm.

Major Duties
Adhere to the highest standards of conduct, especially in maintaining honesty and integrity.
Work a minimum of 50 hours per week, which may include irregular hours, and be on-call 24/7, including holidays and weekends.
Maintain a level of fitness necessary to effectively respond to life-threatening situations on the job.
Carry a firearm and be willing to use deadly force, if necessary.
Be willing and able to participate in arrests, execution of search warrants, and other dangerous assignments.

So the real question is, which news organization do you need to change the channel from?

[Corbi]

Agents are an all inclusive bunch of employees who handle audits as well as work in call centers. My guess is that you start in the call center and advance to the field after gaining experience.



No, there is no such thing as an armed agent; those are revenue officers. Agents perform audits and tax resolution whereas officers collect past due assessments. You really need to turn the channel, imo.

Arguing semantics.
And regarding where they start, nope not all start in some call center. An extremely close friend of mine, how close you may ask? Well so close that when we were younger he would get a key to my apartment before my girlfriend did. Anyways he joined the IRS and just retired a couple years ago, started as a field agent in the recovery division, had the badge, gun, government car, etc. Part that I couldn't believe was he was authorized to travel on public planes with his firearm just like an air marshall.

[7Seconds]

IRS-CI Special Agents are the only employees within the IRS authorized to carry and use firearms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_..._Investigation

There are currently around 2,000 IRS Criminal Investigative Special Agents. So I guess they could be increasing that number from 2,000 to 70,000. Or perhaps IRS Agents and IRS Special Agents are very, very different jobs. One being a regular employee and one being a sworn FLEO.

Part that I couldn't believe was he was authorized to travel on public planes with his firearm just like an air marshall.

Special agents also serve as dignitary protection staff and in air marshal roles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_..._Investigation

[bustasinclair]

https://www.jobs.irs.gov/resources/j...-special-agent



So the real question is, which news organization do you need to change the channel from?

I don't adhere to any particular network, but thanks for asking. I was relying on my personal experience from when I applied and interviewed for an IRS Agent position back in 2003. My plan was to work for the service for a decade and take that experience to the private sector, but it didn't work out that way.

Maybe the nomenclature has changed a bit, but the fact remains that agents do not carry weapons to the audits of taxpayers. Special Agents and Revenue Officers carry firearms and they are tasked with collecting on tax liens from CRIMIINALS who refuse to pay their tax due and often get away with it for decades.

[bustasinclair]

Funny how you automatically assume anyone who doesn't love the idea of more government overreach watches a particular news network. Just for your own information, I follow only very specific news sources and only one is about the US.

Every government agency is low. My city's police force is only about 80% strength. The Border Patrol has 1 agent for every 3 miles of border - adding 80,000 of them would be a far bigger investment.

I'll spend some time reading the language in the bill when I get some free time, but there's no way that all 87,000 are going to be Special Agents. Like I said before, I believe most hires will be IRS Agents, but if I'm wrong, I will admit it.

[Kraken]

I don't adhere to any particular network, but thanks for asking. I was relying on my personal experience from when I applied and interviewed for an IRS Agent position back in 2003. My plan was to work for the service for a decade and take that experience to the private sector, but it didn't work out that way.

Maybe the nomenclature has changed a bit, but the fact remains that agents do not carry weapons to the audits of taxpayers. Special Agents and Revenue Officers carry firearms and they are tasked with collecting on tax liens from CRIMIINALS who refuse to pay their tax due and often get away with it for decades.

Yeah, it changed when an extremist regime took over. We should stop assuming this regime is going to be reasonable dead Srs. It’s hard to believe people are still in denial after all this regime has done so far.

[LWW]

There is nothing good about an economy that is currently going hire IRS agents but in the mortgage area, there are no jobs, people are loosing jobs.

People can’t even sell their homes now things are so fuked.

I sold mine at the last minute and it was very hard to buy one, so I got a new build.

[LWW]

You know.... that was a very fair and balanced assessment of the situation firsthand, thanks.
6 years back is a long time .....

Here is a question for the conspiracy theorists, are all 87,000 irs positions for this job description or is it a mixed list?

***IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent***

Who cares about that, you really think those jobs are needed? Taxation is thieft.

Go talk to someone in mortgage, they are about to loose their job. Go talk to one that isn’t involved in million dollar listings.

That is way more serious than having to support gubmit.

[induced_drag]

They do this with little leaps and large bounds. The Biden admin wanted to remove the 10,000 reporting from banks and give the govt access to ALL your banking transactions. Then we have the reporting of venmo and zelle. Now this.

It has been brought to the highest levels of got the weaponization of federal agencies. In recent history, you generally see it against people of one party. There is no arguing that. Not many Obama officials being hunted down and investigated even though the questionable rise in wealth and power that Obama's path has had him take. And dont even think anyone is every going to investigate the Clintons.

Well, hope you all are well but to my friends in the left leaning camps, you all live in a detached reality where you are unwilling to the reality of the situation. Media bias...nope, Big tech censorship...nope, federal agency abuse....nope. But I have learned over time that most dems can not be reasoned with as they base their decisions from emotional standpoints.

I still am waiting for ANYONE (Including Jon Stewart..but he is not here, so his supporters can step in) to tell me what is so good about this recent bill passage. What do the vets get that they did not previously have? What was so 'good' about this bill?

[x-trainer ben]

Who cares about that, you really think those jobs are needed? Taxation is thieft.

Go talk to someone in mortgage, they are about to loose their job. Go talk to one that isn’t involved in million dollar listings.

That is way more serious than having to support gubmit.

You are changing the topic to one that you care(mortgages /real estate) about....but not that we were discussing.
Be accurate, you don't care but 15 of us are CURRENTLY discussing it NOW.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.

[x-trainer ben]

They do this with little leaps and large bounds. The Biden admin wanted to remove the 10,000 reporting from banks and give the govt access to ALL your banking transactions. Then we have the reporting of venmo and zelle. Now this.

It has been brought to the highest levels of got the weaponization of federal agencies. In recent history, you generally see it against people of one party. There is no arguing that. Not many Obama officials being hunted down and investigated even though the questionable rise in wealth and power that Obama's path has had him take. And dont even think anyone is every going to investigate the Clintons.

Well, hope you all are well but to my friends in the left leaning camps, you all live in a detached reality where you are unwilling to the reality of the situation. Media bias...nope, Big tech censorship...nope, federal agency abuse....nope. But I have learned over time that most dems can not be reasoned with as they base their decisions from emotional standpoints.

I still am waiting for ANYONE (Including Jon Stewart..but he is not here, so his supporters can step in) to tell me what is so good about this recent bill passage. What do the vets get that they did not previously have? What was so 'good' about this bill?

Id that sweeping generalization in paragraph 3 is not correct.


1. Bias i see in both camps on tv and the reason i prefer the old days of news and watch very little tv.
2. Tech we all see what is happening and why i never joined social media in the first place.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...tion-rcna42185
3. Agency abuse, as i have observed, has been done as early as the Bush admin( i am sure earlier than that), when Rove weaponized audits.

So as a D i can see clearly what each group does when they get power and being in DC i pay really close attention.
What you need to realize is that the fictitious list of D attributes is only for SOME PEOPLE, not a checklist of requirements to be a D voter every 2 or 4 years.

[Kraken]

There is nothing good about an economy that is currently going hire IRS agents but in the mortgage area, there are no jobs, people are loosing jobs.

People can’t even sell their homes now things are so fuked.

I sold mine at the last minute and it was very hard to buy one, so I got a new build.

This. They are preparing for when people can’t afford the taxes anymore. When people are backed in to a corner, they will go from avoidance to evasion. The Dems have studied their post modernism well…

[Kraken]

Id that sweeping generalization in paragraph 3 is not correct.


1. Bias i see in both camps on tv and the reason i prefer the old days of news and watch very little tv.
2. Tech we all see what is happening and why i never joined social media in the first place.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...tion-rcna42185
3. Agency abuse, as i have observed, has been done as early as the Bush admin( i am sure earlier than that), when Rove weaponized audits.

So as a D i can see clearly what each group does when they get power and being in DC i pay really close attention.
What you need to realize is that the fictitious list of D attributes is only for SOME PEOPLE, not a checklist of requirements to be a D voter every 2 or 4 years.

There are two major problems; 1. Single issue voters. 2. Indifference.

The left makes up a majority of these two issues. They will vote for one issue, but are indifferent to all the other issues. That one issue is so important to them that they are willing to sacrifice everything else.

So while they aren’t checking the boxes intentionally, they do so inadvertently.

[LWW]

You are changing the topic to one that you care(mortgages /real estate) about....but not that we were discussing.
Be accurate, you don't care but 15 of us are CURRENTLY discussing it NOW.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.

How is it not on topic? People CANT buy a house, people CANT sell a house.

Do you know how many loans have fell through this year?

We don’t need tax auditors. Especially in this time.

I hope you understand there is a reversal action taking place. New crimes must be created to fill jails, they don’t want a homeless junkie, they want money, they want to target responsible citizens.

[bustasinclair]

I'll spend some time reading the language in the bill when I get some free time, but there's no way that all 87,000 are going to be Special Agents. Like I said before, I believe most hires will be IRS Agents, but if I'm wrong, I will admit it.

Our server is down right now, so I looked over the 730 page bill.

1) Taxpayer services - $3,181,500,000
2) Enforcement (audits and collections) - $45,637,400,000
3) Operations support - $25,326,400,000
4) Systems modernization - $4,750,700,000
5) IRS Oversight & Tax Court Services - $704,000,000

Total - $79,600,000,000 over 10 years

I wish they could break-out number 2 further, but for now, this is what we have.

For necessary expenses for tax enforcement activities of the Internal Revenue Service to determine and collect owed taxes, to provide legal and litigation support, to conduct criminal investigations (including investigative technology), to provide digital asset monitoring and compliance activities, to enforce criminal statutes related to violations of internal revenue laws and other financial crimes, to purchase and hire passenger motor vehicles, and to provide other services as authorized by 5 U.S.C. 3109, at such rates as may be determined by the Commissioner, to remain available until September 30, 2031

I understand most people feel like taxation is theft, but in our system of Government, if you are convicted of tax fraud or evasion, there are consequences and Special Agents are much like LEO's in that they have to carry firearms and face off with criminals. Fortunately, there is an extremely small percentage of the population that will ever be faced with this dilemma.

[induced_drag]

Id that sweeping generalization in paragraph 3 is not correct.


1. Bias i see in both camps on tv and the reason i prefer the old days of news and watch very little tv.
2. Tech we all see what is happening and why i never joined social media in the first place.

3. Agency abuse, as i have observed, has been done as early as the Bush admin( i am sure earlier than that), when Rove weaponized audits.

I dont think that is a fair assesment

1)Vast majority of media outlets have left bias. Add in Hollywood which is also an arm of leftist policies and agendas and the left bias that that the avg American runs into every day is FAR greater than right media.

2) Although some tech firms will indeed take money from right wing groups, the persuasive influence, filtering, censorship is shifted to promote one side. I dont think anyone could argue with a straight face that the Left and it's agendas get selectively deleted/suppressed etc.

3) I specifically mentioned 'recent history'. The big shift was during Obama admin. But you are correct that those in power will abuse it. I am against this on every level. But the fact lies that many in govt jobs are by the nature of their employment, loyal to the left. It is the left that feeds them and want to expand the amount of money that goes in their pockets. Those on the right (at least true conservatives) want to shrink govt agencies etc. Speaking idealistically. And for the record, I think GWB was one of the worst presidents ever. I dont care if he had an "R" by his name. He was typical BIG washington. THEN we got Obama and he told GWB 'Hold my beer'.

Again, I am a libertarian at heart. I dislike MANY "R's". Especially the one that R in name only. I wish this country had a 3rd party run off system. But we cant even hold a legit single election let alone try to do a run off

[bustasinclair]

Arguing semantics.
And regarding where they start, nope not all start in some call center. An extremely close friend of mine, how close you may ask? Well so close that when we were younger he would get a key to my apartment before my girlfriend did. Anyways he joined the IRS and just retired a couple years ago, started as a field agent in the recovery division, had the badge, gun, government car, etc. Part that I couldn't believe was he was authorized to travel on public planes with his firearm just like an air marshall.

Forgot to respond to you.

All I know is that when I interviewed with them in 2003, one of the larger portions of the interview besides meeting with like 10 people in a huge boardroom, was a segment where they sat us in a cubicle and had us take mock calls from pretend taxpayers so they could analyze our phone etiquette I assume. So, I figured my job would be starting in a call center environment.

Yeah, carrying a firearm was never something I ever aspired to...I mean besides my time in the military.

[x-trainer ben]

I dont think that is a fair assesment

1)Vast majority of media outlets have left bias. Add in Hollywood which is also an arm of leftist policies and agendas and the left bias that that the avg American runs into every day is FAR greater than right media.

2) Although some tech firms will indeed take money from right wing groups, the persuasive influence, filtering, censorship is shifted to promote one side. I dont think anyone could argue with a straight face that the Left and it's agendas get selectively deleted/suppressed etc.

3) I specifically mentioned 'recent history'. The big shift was during Obama admin. But you are correct that those in power will abuse it. I am against this on every level. But the fact lies that many in govt jobs are by the nature of their employment, loyal to the left. It is the left that feeds them and want to expand the amount of money that goes in their pockets. Those on the right (at least true conservatives) want to shrink govt agencies etc. Speaking idealistically. And for the record, I think GWB was one of the worst presidents ever. I dont care if he had an "R" by his name. He was typical BIG washington. THEN we got Obama and he told GWB 'Hold my beer'.

Again, I am a libertarian at heart. I dislike MANY "R's". Especially the one that R in name only. I wish this country had a 3rd party run off system. But we cant even hold a legit single election let alone try to do a run off

Well as i mentioned i don't watch much tv and when i do, i am interpreting the information mentioned, not seeking out or twisting (not you) what i hear.
It reminds me of the person looking for racism everywhere, compared to the person that sees it and makes a mental note.

And not being a social media guy, i will have to defer to others on what is presented in that space, i really have no interest or a clue.

As for gov't jobs it depends what the agency specifically does, their budgets generally increase (defense from 700 to 800B) but regulating cheaters is not cheap work.
So many times with the transfer of power, political appointees every 4 years, and the administration changes or iniatives, you can't say that the gov leans left.
It really really depends on who is in charge and the direction that the administration decides to go.

My overarching point is that some of us do NOT look like purple haired angry feminists with tatoos and piercings; some of us look like you.

[x-trainer ben]

Our server is down right now, so I looked over the 730 page bill.

1) Taxpayer services - $3,181,500,000
2) Enforcement (audits and collections) - $45,637,400,000
3) Operations support - $25,326,400,000
4) Systems modernization - $4,750,700,000
5) IRS Oversight & Tax Court Services - $704,000,000

Total - $79,600,000,000 over 10 years

I wish they could break-out number 2 further, but for now, this is what we have.



I understand most people feel like taxation is theft, but in our system of Government, if you are convicted of tax fraud or evasion, there are consequences and Special Agents are much like LEO's in that they have to carry firearms and face off with criminals. Fortunately, there is an extremely small percentage of the population that will ever be faced with this dilemma.

So take a wild guess, of 87,000 new emplyees how many will be dedicated to what is claimed?
1%, 5%, 10%, 20%?

[induced_drag]

My overarching point is that some of us do NOT look like purple haired angry feminists with tatoos and piercings; some of us look like you.

Very cool and I understand. I guess my only question to a guy who would cast a vote for a democrat is, how do you feel about how radicalized the party has become. If you look at the core agendas, the current dem party is NOT the party of the Clintons any longer. Then when you look at things like the Dems reactions to Antifa, BLM, etc it is down right scary. How long did Portland let itself be occupied? How many Dem leaders wanted to defund police? I wont even get into the tranny debates and gender fluidity that they want to force down kids throats.

Anyway, I just cant imagine most 'normal' people being OK with this, yet the dem party as a whole touts this line and gives support and credence to these radicals and in doing so, I cant separate them from the radical groups. Hillary Clinton giving Michael Browns (a thug...sorry) mother center stage during her election campaign.

I think the equivalent for a repub is if the party swung so far right that it had prominent players encouraging abortion clinic bombings. (and that is not a stretch when you see what has come out of the mouths of Sr Dem leaders). There are certainly a few 'hard right' politicians. But they generally are in support of constitutional issues. Probably some that are so pro life they would like to see ALL abortions go away, yet in the past 20 years none of them have been out inciting abortion protestors to go burn buildings down.

Sorry. I wish I could find something good to say. I will say Hillary would have brought this country to a better place than Obama. The 'new' democrat party is almost unrecognizable.

To me it blows my mind.

[Kraken]

Yeah, carrying a firearm was never something I ever aspired to...I mean besides my time in the military.

So imagine the type of people they will be recruiting now. This is really bad.

[bustasinclair]

So take a wild guess, of 87,000 new employees how many will be dedicated to what is claimed?
1%, 5%, 10%, 20%?

I have no idea honestly. I mean the language in the bill doesn't even mention the 87,000 jobs. That must have been an extrapolation by someone who was involved in writing the bill. Since there are only approximately 2,000 Special Agents now, so I couldn't imagine much more than maybe another 2,000 jobs to both beef up the collections and to replace retiring employees.

It's anyone's guess. They can only collect if there are convictions, and the convictions come from audits and tax court rulings.

So imagine the type of people they will be recruiting now. This is really bad.

This is nothing new. The IRS has always hired armed Special Agents to go after convicted tax criminals. You want them to go into a dangerous situation using a water gun or something?

[Kraken]

I

This is nothing new. The IRS has always hired armed Special Agents to go after convicted tax criminals. You want them to go into a dangerous situation using a water gun or something?

Dont dismiss the current state we are in. Diversity and the youth are the two major things pushing the agenda. So these individuals will be under qualified and the state will make sure they are loyal to the cause. In other words, they will take pleasure in this work AND will feel a great sense of power with this position of authority. This is how these extremist regimes go off the deep end; individual state actors pushing the boundaries of ethics and morals in the field with full immunity. Anyone they suspect of doing actual good will be removed quickly.