Pullups then when they become too easy then weighted pullups
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06-29-2022, 09:19 AM #31
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06-29-2022, 03:00 PM #32
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Im Honestly not Suprised you haven't seen it on THIS forum much tbh. Unfortunately most of the population is either behind the times or just a bit... None lifty.
Kudos for finding this for your self organically!
Cables.. You need a fairy close pair of stacks, the standards "crossover" Station is a bit too wide for the right angle of pull.
Lats from deads..
If you do higher hips, horizontal torso with the bar our over toes (eddy Coan or Dan green stiffleg style) you will get a huge lat stimulus. My opinion is a deadlift isn't just the super optimised comp dead. - for clarity
Probably not as good a rows et al?
Probably not.. But id you can tolerate a lot of volume its gonna be better than the average.
Especially If you add in all the other 'secondary' lat work you get from stuff too.
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06-29-2022, 04:45 PM #33
Of course isometrics work…
At long muscle lengths. Hence why squats don’t do diddly for hamstrings since they don’t change length in the movement.
Also, no one is saying the back isn’t involved, of course there is a stimulus. Just not nearly as much as you could get from a good row variation.
Lastly, you could never do heavy deadlifts, and still maximize your back (and leg, for that matter) development. So a “heavy hinge” is not at all necessary for a big back or even legs.Age: 30
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06-29-2022, 05:37 PM #34
Not trying to start WWIII, but even if someone doesn't think DLs are the best or even a necessary back exercise, I in all seriousness think it's absolutely a good (and dare I say one of the best) exercises for hitting the back in its entirety. I'm surprised anyone even wants to debate whether it's a good back exercise, although I recognize their right to do so & have their own opinion on the matter.
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06-29-2022, 06:51 PM #35
Anyway. Not sure if OP is still listening but here is something I program for upper body days for clients.
One day will have a lat-focused row, like this “J” row:
https://youtu.be/vyA4NsR-qI8
And an upper back-focused pulldown like a pronated lat pulldown/pull up.
The other day will have a lat-focused pulldown variation, chin or V-grip pulldowns with a lean, pullovers if you’re gym is blessed with a machine pullover, or single arm pulldown.
Follow that up with pronated rows of some kind, preferably machine and always supported.
Your hinge work (done on lower body days) will take care of your lower back. You are doing hinges, right?
Every upper workout I do starts with external rotator work, and rear delt work I generally go to band pull aparts or face pulls. Even though they aren’t the best “rear delt” exercises, they are still a good stimulus and extra upper back work is always a plus.Last edited by BeginnerGainz; 06-29-2022 at 07:00 PM.
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06-29-2022, 08:33 PM #36
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06-30-2022, 01:41 AM #37
Low bar squat lengthens them a little more than high bar.
But yeah, I see your point.
I'll try it on the seated row cable, where I have dual cables closer and I can cross them, since I don't have the "smart" crossover station.
If I'm not wrong, our EliKoehn does them like that.
I like to learn from the mistakes of the people who take my advice.
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06-30-2022, 03:29 AM #38
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06-30-2022, 01:37 PM #43
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The cheapest & quickest one you can get that is recognised and can get your insured.
Anything else is essentially a waste of time & money.
Unless you to go uni/college for a masters or doctorate ect that is where the real learning happens - even then, with his fast info is changing, outdated often.
I got mine refreshed, mostly to have a fresh piece of paper to get insured to coach in the gym i manage. Extra cash is always good.FMH crew - Couch.
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06-30-2022, 01:50 PM #44
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