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    Clearly ballots...
    Regardless it's another reason to tighten up the border.

    As Keep It Moving stated, There are bigger forces at play, however anyone that DID vote for Moron in Charge was responsible in assisting in the way things went and all the messes we're in the middle of
    I guess, perhaps if these things are rigged people can stop telling me I wasted my vote for voting Libertarian.
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    Trump and JFK Jr were pals. HRC rise came on the heels of JFK JR death.

    I suspect Trump had his reasons not to trust HRC. I suspect Trump, who appeared as an insider, knew too much. Think about it, just like Elon Musk now, no big newsie investigations UNTIL they come out against the establishment.

    Before Trump exposed “fake news”- CNN was played in every airport, gym, docs office waiting room in the world. Recall if you will the instant smear campaign against Trump “he’s going to bring back slavery”- Time magazine

    Google this. “Trumps dark inauguration “ and tell me with a straight face that every major media source wasn’t fully on board with protecting the establishment. Their coordination was OBVIOUS though they ALL denied bias.
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    I guess, perhaps if these things are rigged people can stop telling me I wasted my vote for voting Libertarian.
    lol that was a safe choice….
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    Trump and JFK Jr were pals. HRC rise came on the heels of JFK JR death.

    I suspect Trump had his reasons not to trust HRC. I suspect Trump, who appeared as an insider, knew too much. Think about it, just like Elon Musk now, no big newsie investigations UNTIL they come out against the establishment.

    Before Trump exposed “fake news”- CNN was played in every airport, gym, docs office waiting room in the world. Recall if you will the instant smear campaign against Trump “he’s going to bring back slavery”- Time magazine

    Google this. “Trumps dark inauguration “ and tell me with a straight face that every major media source wasn’t fully on board with protecting the establishment. Their coordination was OBVIOUS though they ALL denied bias.
    lol, right? The day after Musk said he’d vote Conservative he was accused of sexual harassment, until then he was the darling of the Dems, you know saving the planet with his cars and all….
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    The same people denying a rigged election also denied all the below:

    Start with Hunters laptop. The media ran cover, the intelligence agencies ran cover for….the establishment. Biden called it Russian disinfo.

    All the people in charge right now, covered for Epstein, Epstein Island and all the Johns. We still don’t have Ghislaine Maxwells little book of Johns do we? Weird how that trial paled in media coverage compared to Depp right?

    Remember Oprah Winfrey and her special guest “John of God?” - the guy ran a baby mill…not a puppy mill, a BABY mill…close ties to the Clinton family as well. Same people ran wild with Harvey Weinstein too.

    Same people used Jussie Smollett to smear millions of Americans, used a 15 year old kid from Covington Catholic to smear Americans as racist…all division stuff to keep Americans bickering.

    Same people hid video from both Rittenhouse and Jan 6 events. Same people propped up Avenatti and Stormy Daniels and fabricated notion of pee tapes and Russian collusion .

    Honestly, how anyone can support these demons and their lying media is beyond me.

    It was never really about TRUMP, it was about his willingness to take on the establishment! Recall if you will that Jeb Bush was considered the shoe in! (Establishment)
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post

    It was never really about TRUMP, it was about his willingness to take on the establishment! Recall if you will that Jeb Bush was considered the shoe in! (Establishment)

    And before Trump, Obama was the "outsider" who railed against career politicians and Washington insiders to get elected on the "hope and change" theme.

    The President is not an emperor, despite the way people act. The fact that we treat the office as some sacred thing is a big part of the problem.
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    For the Biden supporters; how does this make you feel?

    Trump says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in 'negotiated settlement.

    Makes you insanely angry that this Russian puppet would suggest that Ukraine, just GIVE RUSSIA land?! Right!? Furious proof of the Putin Puppet that Trump is right?




    Well

    …….news for ya….


    Biden said it.

    “ Biden says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in 'negotiated settlement.”
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    For the Biden supporters; how does this make you feel?

    Trump says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in 'negotiated settlement.

    Makes you insanely angry that this Russian puppet would suggest that Ukraine, just GIVE RUSSIA land?! Right!? Furious proof of the Putin Puppet that Trump is right?




    Well

    …….news for ya….


    Biden said it.

    “ Biden says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in 'negotiated settlement.”
    I want our 56,000,000,000 back. Lol how many corrupt pockets were lined with that.
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    Originally Posted by 7Seconds View Post
    And before Trump, Obama was the "outsider" who railed against career politicians and Washington insiders to get elected on the "hope and change" theme.

    The President is not an emperor, despite the way people act. The fact that we treat the office as some sacred thing is a big part of the problem.


    The problem is, there are MILLIONS of people that now see that their votes don’t matter and there are millions more that don’t care.

    Ultimately, until Obama policies threatened my own job and my ability to feed my kids, I paid zero attention to politics. As ISIS rampaged through 32 countries, I really started to wake up.

    My Father was a career Navy man, guys he was familiar with we’re pretty upset about things happening under Obama. (Navy personnel captured/pro Iranian policies etc)
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    The problem is, there are MILLIONS of people that now see that their votes don’t matter and there are millions more that don’t care.

    Ultimately, until Obama policies threatened my own job and my ability to feed my kids, I paid zero attention to politics. As ISIS rampaged through 32 countries, I really started to wake up.

    My Father was a career Navy man, guys he was familiar with we’re pretty upset about things happening under Obama. (Navy personnel captured/pro Iranian policies etc)
    Obama was the revolution. Many years from now, people will be saying “if only they were able to stop Obama. if I were alive, I would have ended him…”. Sound familiar? He is a known, and admitted m, Marxist. Seeing the revolution take place is a helpless feeling. You know what’s happening, but there is no one with power able to do it. By the time the revolution happens, society is pacified and those in power won’t rock the boat because they don’t want to be crucified. Remember McCarthy? What happened to him when he discovered there were fascists and communists who had infiltrated congress and every branch?
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    For the Biden supporters; how does this make you feel?
    How many Biden supporters do you think are in this section? I’ve seen a few regulars say they voted against President Trump, but I don’t really see anyone defending Biden.



    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    The problem is, there are MILLIONS of people that now see that their votes don’t matter and there are millions more that don’t care.
    Unless you live in one of the couple battleground states your vote for President hasn’t mattered for a long time.

    Ultimately, until Obama policies threatened my own job and my ability to feed my kids, I paid zero attention to politics.
    What specific policies were affecting your livelihood? For the average American the people who sit in the state legislatures and city/council commissions are going to have a lot more effect on our day-to-day lives then whatever knucklehead ends up in the White House.
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    Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Obama was the revolution. Many years from now, people will be saying “if only they were able to stop Obama. if I were alive, I would have ended him…”. Sound familiar? He is a known, and admitted m, Marxist. Seeing the revolution take place is a helpless feeling. You know what’s happening, but there is no one with power able to do it. By the time the revolution happens, society is pacified and those in power won’t rock the boat because they don’t want to be crucified. Remember McCarthy? What happened to him when he discovered there were fascists and communists who had infiltrated congress and every branch?

    Unfortunately these marxists/globalists, whatever they are, have manipulated a bunch of folks through programming/media and they have ushered in criminals and released criminals all willing to do their wet work and eliminate the whistle blowers. They use the addicts and buy off folks all over the place.

    As we speak, I was just reading thru Twitter and there are 7 year olds inside a bar in Texas, tipping drag queens in front of a sign that reads “It won’t lick itself.”….7, in a bar, being groomed.
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    The same people denying a rigged election also denied all the below:

    Start with Hunters laptop. The media ran cover, the intelligence agencies ran cover for….the establishment. Biden called it Russian disinfo.

    All the people in charge right now, covered for Epstein, Epstein Island and all the Johns. We still don’t have Ghislaine Maxwells little book of Johns do we? Weird how that trial paled in media coverage compared to Depp right?

    Remember Oprah Winfrey and her special guest “John of God?” - the guy ran a baby mill…not a puppy mill, a BABY mill…close ties to the Clinton family as well. Same people ran wild with Harvey Weinstein too.

    Same people used Jussie Smollett to smear millions of Americans, used a 15 year old kid from Covington Catholic to smear Americans as racist…all division stuff to keep Americans bickering.

    Same people hid video from both Rittenhouse and Jan 6 events. Same people propped up Avenatti and Stormy Daniels and fabricated notion of pee tapes and Russian collusion .

    Honestly, how anyone can support these demons and their lying media is beyond me.

    It was never really about TRUMP, it was about his willingness to take on the establishment! Recall if you will that Jeb Bush was considered the shoe in! (Establishment)
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    Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Obama was the revolution. Many years from now, people will be saying “if only they were able to stop Obama. if I were alive, I would have ended him…”. Sound familiar? He is a known, and admitted m, Marxist. Seeing the revolution take place is a helpless feeling. You know what’s happening, but there is no one with power able to do it. By the time the revolution happens, society is pacified and those in power won’t rock the boat because they don’t want to be crucified. Remember McCarthy? What happened to him when he discovered there were fascists and communists who had infiltrated congress and every branch?

    Words do have meanings. Obama is not a Marxist. In the Marxian sense of Socialism, he is definitely not a socialist either. In the common understanding of the American public, sure he’s a Socialist, especially during his 2008 candidacy.

    In truth, he’s mostly a neoliberal. He liked government programs that aimed to reduce parts of poverty. But he offered lukewarm support at best for government programs that are geared towards egalitarian income distribution. That's all pretty consistent with the neoliberal worldview.
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    Words do have meanings. Obama is not a Marxist. In the Marxian sense of Socialism, he is definitely not a socialist either. In the common understanding of the American public, sure he’s a Socialist, especially during his 2008 candidacy.

    In truth, he’s mostly a neoliberal. He liked government programs that aimed to reduce parts of poverty. But he offered lukewarm support at best for government programs that are geared towards egalitarian income distribution. That's all pretty consistent with the neoliberal worldview.

    Its all social planning and uses “Leninism” in their tactics; exploiting the downtrodden and weak to gain power and centralize power. At its core, they are similar. It defies our constitution, which was meant to distribute power over greater numbers to prevent tyranny. Centralized power is our greatest enemy, and that’s the goal of the left as a whole.

    I’ve studied this for years. Fascism, communism, Marxism…the end goal is all taking power away from the people and transferring it to the few. They all reverse the hierarchy of competency, which is why all of these individuals are all incompetent. They get drunk on power from playing God.

    So we can play semantics, and we can argue the what and why, but in the end, it all results in authoritarianism and dictators
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    Its all social planning and uses “Leninism” in their tactics; exploiting the downtrodden and weak to gain power and centralize power. At its core, they are similar. It defies our constitution, which was meant to distribute power over greater numbers to prevent tyranny. Centralized power is our greatest enemy, and that’s the goal of the left as a whole.

    I’ve studied this for years. Fascism, communism, Marxism…the end goal is all taking power away from the people and transferring it to the few. They all reverse the hierarchy of competency, which is why all of these individuals are all incompetent. They get drunk on power from playing God.

    So we can play semantics, and we can argue the what and why, but in the end, it all results in authoritarianism and dictators
    So the Obama administration is about as Marxist as nearly every administration since the Civil War? Why bother with the term "Marxist" then?
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    Whatever it is, it’s truly Anti-American with a healthy dose of hysteria directed toward destroying western culture, values and traditions. Clown world.
    Definitely a healthy does of hysteria. I feel like there is a majority between the extremes but unfortunately moderate positions these days don't get clicks/ratings. I hope/trust that at least some of the extremism is simply loud fools amplified by powerful people/corporations/gov't, as well as simpletons forming digital mobs.

    People need to learn to live with new technology--and find truth amidst this propaganda parade, realizing the commonalities that must exist between the majority, just below the surface of this turbid pond. That being said, I'm not sure exactly how liberty will survive the learning curve.
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    Originally Posted by coachcalande View Post
    Whatever it is, it’s truly Anti-American with a healthy dose of hysteria directed toward destroying western culture, values and traditions. Clown world.
    western culture is a threat to global power. They hate Leave It To Beaver, The Brady Bunch and The Beach Boys.
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    Originally Posted by KeepItMoving View Post
    Having read a few of your posts, I think you well know why. God forbid we should really get to the heart of the rigged election. It would involve members of the protected class (I don't care what political party). You don't touch those people. They are on the inside to help execute plans for which they have been well compensated and are now owned by those who purchased them.

    Trump was a pure outsider. Like him or not; he was not a member of the club. The vast majority of his policies directly contradict what is happening now. He had to go.
    All of this^^^^. It was all about protecting their power & $$$$ and Trump was a threat so eliminate him at any & all costs.

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    I don’t think I can go that far down the conspiracy hole. I do think the “deep state” or whatever you want to call it exists, but in a non conspiracy sort of way. There are tons of non elected government positions that don't get refreshed every 4 years with a new president.

    Are some of these people in positions of power and make influential decisions with little to no oversight from elected officials? Yep.

    Do the people in these positions long term know each other and exchange favors to further each of their own designs? Yep.
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    The same people denying a rigged election also denied all the below:

    Start with Hunters laptop. The media ran cover, the intelligence agencies ran cover for….the establishment. Biden called it Russian disinfo.

    All the people in charge right now, covered for Epstein, Epstein Island and all the Johns. We still don’t have Ghislaine Maxwells little book of Johns do we? Weird how that trial paled in media coverage compared to Depp right?

    Same people used Jussie Smollett to smear millions of Americans, used a 15 year old kid from Covington Catholic to smear Americans as racist…all division stuff to keep Americans bickering.

    Same people hid video from both Rittenhouse and Jan 6 events. Same people propped up Avenatti and Stormy Daniels and fabricated notion of pee tapes and Russian collusion
    I keep asking about Maxwells little black book of names but we all know why that will NEVER see the light of day, I guarantee there are plenty of high profile people in current power on that list.
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    So the Obama administration is about as Marxist as nearly every administration since the Civil War? Why bother with the term "Marxist" then?
    Wrong. Post modernism didn’t take off until post 1900. The big post modern push was in the 1960s with socialism, with the welfare state, however, there was a revolution in the 1930 to a lesser degree, but it was more fascist.
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    No names to call me except a bigoted b1tch- guess the shoe fits. (and I never said all Trump cult members)

    I'm sure you will enjoy it - you're the targeted audience. I'm not unhinged at all. Trump was fired and no amount of crying is going to change that. In fact I love the fact that it irritates you lot. Maybe more rallies and flags will help

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    Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    Wrong. Post modernism didn’t take off until post 1900. The big post modern push was in the 1960s with socialism, with the welfare state, however, there was a revolution in the 1930 to a lesser degree, but it was more fascist.
    I understand the history. My point was what you described as far as our Constitution and the centralization of power goes, the federal government as a whole has been doing since the Civil War.
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    I understand the history. My point was what you described as far as our Constitution and the centralization of power goes, the federal government as a whole has been doing since the Civil War.
    I don’t think you do understand. I’ve exhausted myself writing on this subject, so I’ll make it short. Marxism is an idea. Nothing more. It doesn’t exist successfully in practice. Each individual believes he or she understands how to make Marxism successful, but because it’s just an abstract fantasy that doesn’t exist, the application creates chaos. Each revolution is a manifestation of similar ideas repackaged and unrecognizable to the average person.

    Today we have another manifestation of these ideas. It’s a mixture of the economic ideas of fascism and the social ideas of Marxism. Each time the process goes the same though. Government heavily influences the people, when the people fail to push the hierarchy reversal, the government steps in.

    Last time I checked, they didn’t redistribute wealth from whites to blacks during the civil war. Were you taught that? Wokeness comes from the ideas of the 1960 black power movement. It’s unrecognizable because socialism is the poor vs the rich, and its just convenient that the black are poor and the white are wealthier as a whole, so instead of rich vs poor, it’s white vs black.

    Regardless, it’s always the same; reversing the hierarchy of competency, wealth, and power. Labor vs Producer vs consumer. Why do you think revolutionists are always incompetent? Look at the Biden regime. All under qualified activists.

    The WEF is also trying to create a new form of government and social system that Glen Beck has referred to as stakeholder capitalism. Its a new form of fascism that controls the social aspects of society. Comply or lose your access to banks etc. it’s the elites forcing social compliance of their ideals, like putting minorities first in everything you do etc. it goes back to money and influence by the government in an attempt to get people in society to comply. The elites are willing, because it gives them more power and money and the sense of godliness.
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    Originally Posted by Kraken View Post
    I don’t think you do understand. I’ve exhausted myself writing on this subject, so I’ll make it short. Marxism is an idea. Nothing more. It doesn’t exist successfully in practice. Each individual believes he or she understands how to make Marxism successful, but because it’s just an abstract fantasy that doesn’t exist, the application creates chaos. Each revolution is a manifestation of similar ideas repackaged and unrecognizable to the average person.

    Today we have another manifestation of these ideas. It’s a mixture of the economic ideas of fascism and the social ideas of Marxism. Each time the process goes the same though. Government heavily influences the people, when the people fail to push the hierarchy reversal, the government steps in.

    Last time I checked, they didn’t redistribute wealth from whites to blacks during the civil war. Were you taught that? Wokeness comes from the ideas of the 1960 black power movement. It’s unrecognizable because socialism is the poor vs the rich, and its just convenient that the black are poor and the white are wealthier as a whole, so instead of rich vs poor, it’s white vs black.

    Regardless, it’s always the same; reversing the hierarchy of competency, wealth, and power. Labor vs Producer vs consumer. Why do you think revolutionists are always incompetent? Look at the Biden regime. All under qualified activists.
    I think this sounded better in your head. Did you mean to advocate for socialism?
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    Originally Posted by eomrat View Post
    I think this sounded better in your head. Did you mean to advocate for socialism?

    I edited my post to add some stuff.

    you’ll have to explain. Marxism is very attractive. When explaining what Marxism is, it does sound appealing. That’s the danger of it The problem is, it’s completely wrong. There is no known solution to some of the problems that Marx brought up. Some of the things man cannot change, it is simply the will of God and society has to hash it out over time. Capitalism was the solution, but as always, it was not the easy path, so the weak minded don’t like it.
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    I edited my post to add some stuff.

    you’ll have to explain. Marxism is very attractive. When explaining what Marxism is, it does sound appealing. That’s the danger of it The problem is, it’s completely wrong. There is no known solution to some of the problems that Marx brought up. Some of the things man cannot change, it is simply the will of God and society has to hash it out over time. Capitalism was the solution, but as always, it was not the easy path, so the weak minded don’t like it.
    The Manifesto is a beautiful idea that doesn't work. It makes no real provisions to deal with human nature. (and I know this sounds like I'm Captain Obvious here. but there are folks who just don't see that. You cite history and they say they're gonna do it differently. RMFE's)
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    The Manifesto is a beautiful idea that doesn't work. It makes no real provisions to deal with human nature. (and I know this sounds like I'm Captain Obvious here. but there are folks who just don't see that. You cite history and they say they're gonna do it differently. RMFE's)
    I have an interest in propaganda too. I have books written in the 1960s that started the American Marxism revolution. A good start is Black Power; Politics of liberation. It outlines white colonialism, institutional racism, and rioting to force their agenda.

    Other books that are worth reading are Capitalism and freedom by Milton Friedman, that uses historical events and data to describe how revolutions take place, and proves that governments are the biggest root of a society becoming racist, and that’s why capitalism is ideal. Marxism by Thomas Sowell. American Marxism by Mark Lenin (he’s a constitutional scholar and historian). If you’re feeling really interested, Ludwig Von Mises wrote Human Action, the most complete work ever written on the behavior of a society and market, as well as his book Socialism. These are massive books and took me many months to get through
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